Liberal Minority Government 2021 - 2025

[Fishbone Jones]

Well it says this for starters.

Your Trusted Source for News on the Conservative Canadian Party and Pierre Poilievre’s Vision for Canada.​

Yet most of the articles are about carney. Including one specifically about his daughters.

And as for the source itself? Nothing is actually sourced at all about where they got this info. No links no evidence etc.

Pierre Poilievre’s Net Worth & Investments Explained

Pierre Poilievre’s net worth is estimated at $25M, with investments in real estate, stocks, and crypto. See how he built his wealth.

www.pierrepoilievrenews.ca

Do you actually believe that? No wonder he wants to build homes and cut GST and build pipelines. Clearly conflict of interest right?

So you should have no trouble proving their trudeau narrative is untrue. You should know where to get the info. Are you saying the info is untrue? Is it slanderous or libelous?

Your still just attacking the source of the article and not the narrative.

Why wouldn't most of the articles be about carney? There is a national election in the offing. Carney is going to get lots of press from multiple sources. Especially his opponents. Shall we look for all the anti Poliviere narratives from the left and compare?

The article on PP is immaterial also. Doesn't matter whether I believe it or not, at this point. I didn't even read it. It has nothing to do with proving the trudeau article wrong. If you want to dissect your Poliviere one, clear up your accusations of the trudeau one first. Then tackle the next one.

Stop muddying the waters. There is only one question needs answering and all you're doing is dancing around it.

Is the trudeau article narrative true. If not, why not and what is your proof to prove it so.

Prove your hypothesis. Anything else is not part of the equation, and of no interest to me.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

My criticism of them is their seeming inability/unwillingness to adapt to a new situation and the leader being in a tight groupthink bububble.

Are you sure you're not talking about the liberals or ndp?

 

[RangerRay]

Are you sure you're not talking about the liberals or ndp?

Well when you put it that way, no one is covering themselves in glory.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

He sounds like a perfect fit.

Art, like other collections, luxury cars for example, are highly prone and see a lot of use in money laundering. Just saying.

 

[ArmyRick]

And if he loses, will you blame him for pissing it away, or the electorate for not voting right correctly?

Won't matter. Seriously when O'Toole and Scheer lost (I was not impressed with O'Toole, but whats done is done), I didn't give a rats fuck. It didn't change the facts that we still had a liberal government. It didn't change the fact that the vast majority of Canadians got royally pissed with electing themselves another Liberal government.

Move fucking forward. Call bullshit all you want, it doesn't change a fucking thing.

 

[IKnowNothing]

Won't matter. Seriously when O'Toole and Scheer lost (I was not impressed with O'Toole, but whats done is done), I didn't give a rats fuck. It didn't change the facts that we still had a liberal government. It didn't change the fact that the vast majority of Canadians got royally pissed with electing themselves another Liberal government.

What? How do you expect the CPC to move forward as an organization and win if the membership doesn't have the willingness and desire to look itself in the mirror, hold the leader to account, and learn from it's losses?

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Meanwhile, over in the Team Blue locker room ...

Insiders say Pierre Poilievre called Doug Ford for ‘advice’ — but the premier said he’ll be ‘staying out’ of the election

Ontario Premier Doug Ford told Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre he would be too busy governing Ontario to help in the upcoming federal election campaign.

www.thestar.com

Also archived here if previous link doesn't work.

I haven't been able to find another source for this outside the Red Star. Did you see any other MSM outlet reporting this? Just looking for a different perspective, if one exists.

 

[Remius]

So you should have no trouble proving their trudeau narrative is untrue. You should know where to get the info. Are you saying the info is untrue? Is it slanderous or libelous?

Not how this works. You provided a link with those things presented as fact. The source is garbage. Where are the attributions or sources of info they used? The site looks like a library of AI generated articles. Can you show me who is on the editorial board? Can you point to any info about that source at all beyond it being on the internet?

You’re still just attacking the source of the article and not the narrative.

Yes I am because there is nothing in the source that can validate any of their narrative. Where are they getting their info from? They are not even linking to something as pedestrian as Wikipedia. Nothing.

Why wouldn't most of the articles be about carney?

Not according to the title of whatever they say they are.

There is a national election in the offing. Carney is going to get lots of press from multiple sources. Especially his opponents. Shall we look for all the anti Poliviere narratives from the left and compare?

Sure. Are they sourced? You are missing the point I am making about this source.

The article on PP is immaterial also. Doesn't matter whether I believe it or not, at this point. I didn't even read it.

Why not? It absolutely is material to show that this thing is not a good source. They say he’s worth 25 million dollars and he makes his fortune in real estate and pipeline investments. Also that he is one of the richest politicians in Canada. Is it true? No one knows because IT DOESN’T ACTUALLY SHOW THE RECEIPTS OF WHERE THEY GOT THEIR INFO.

It has nothing to do with proving the trudeau article wrong. If you want to dissect your Poliviere one, clear up your accusations of the trudeau one first. Then tackle the next one.

Deflection on your part. I just explained why your source is garbage, to be honest it looks more like confirmation bias. You likely did a google search and this came up.

Stop muddying the waters. There is only one question needs answering and all you're doing is dancing around it.

No. It’s very clear.

Is the trudeau article narrative true. If not, why not and what is your proof to prove it so.

That’s your job. You provided it. Tell me what their source is? Nothing tells me it’s true or not true.

Prove your hypothesis. Anything else is not part of the equation, and of no interest to me.

That the source is garbage? I just did. No sourcing and no attributions to anything. No actual info on them or their site.

I could care less if it interests you or not. You post garbage, I’ll call it out. Don’t like it? Tough luck.

 

[Lumber]

Meanwhile, over in the Team Blue locker room ...

Insiders say Pierre Poilievre called Doug Ford for ‘advice’ — but the premier said he’ll be ‘staying out’ of the election

Ontario Premier Doug Ford told Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre he would be too busy governing Ontario to help in the upcoming federal election campaign.

www.thestar.com

Also archived here if previous link doesn't work.

Ford's not-so-good stuff aside, who would want to be tied to the RMS Poilievre sinking ship right now? Smart move not to get involved with PP.

 

[Remius]

Meanwhile, over in the Team Blue locker room ...

Insiders say Pierre Poilievre called Doug Ford for ‘advice’ — but the premier said he’ll be ‘staying out’ of the election

Ontario Premier Doug Ford told Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre he would be too busy governing Ontario to help in the upcoming federal election campaign.

www.thestar.com

Also archived here if previous link doesn't work.

Ooof.

Can’t say I’m surprised. No love lost between those two, PP never even congratulated him on his win.

 

[Halifax Tar]

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[The Bread Guy]

I haven't been able to find another source for this outside the Red Star. Did you see any other MSM outlet reporting this? Just looking for a different perspective, if one exists.

So far only MSM saying it out loud. I’d give it at least balance of probability given how Ford’s been happy to be seen with PMJT. You seen him much with PP? Seen PP congratulating DF for his win? And a number of generally blue folks heren’t always been happy with Ford for being happy to be seen as not always attacking Team Red Ottawa.

 

[brihard]

Not how this works. You provided a link with those things presented as fact. The source is garbage. Where are the attributions or sources of info they used? The site looks like a library of AI generated articles. Can you show me who is on the editorial board? Can you point to any info about that source at all beyond it being on the internet?

Yes I am because there is nothing in the source that can validate any of their narrative. Where are they getting their info from? They are not even linking to something as pedestrian as Wikipedia. Nothing.

Not according to the title of whatever they say they are.

Sure. Are they sourced? You are missing the point I am making about this source.

Why not? It absolutely is material to show that this thing is not a good source. They say he’s worth 25 million dollars and he makes his fortune in real estate and pipeline investments. Also that he is one of the richest politicians in Canada. Is it true? No one knows because IT DOESN’T ACTUALLY SHOW THE RECEIPTS OF WHERE THEY GOT THEIR INFO.

Deflection on your part. I just explained why your source is garbage, to be honest it looks more like confirmation bias. You likely did a google search and this came up.

No. It’s very clear.

That’s your job. You provided it. Tell me what their source is? Nothing tells me it’s true or not true.

That the source is garbage? I just did. No sourcing and no attributions to anything. No actual info on them or their site.

I could care less if it interests you or not. You post garbage, I’ll call it out. Don’t like it? Tough luck.

That’s not how this works. If it’s on the internet, it’s presumed to be true.

In fact while we’re here I’m going to take the opportunity to let everyone know that Remius hates freedom, children, puppies, and well-executed parade drill. Anyone who takes exception to these claims bears the onus of proving them untrue.

 

[ArmyRick]

who would want to be tied to the RMS Poilievre sinking ship right now?

RMS Jagmet Singh. PP is not losing supporters, the LPC gain is coming from the NDP. Even pro Liberal pollsters are saying this.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Not how this works. You provided a link with those things presented as fact. The source is garbage. Where are the attributions or sources of info they used? The site looks like a library of AI generated articles. Can you show me who is on the editorial board? Can you point to any info about that source at all beyond it being on the internet?

Yes I am because there is nothing in the source that can validate any of their narrative. Where are they getting their info from? They are not even linking to something as pedestrian as Wikipedia. Nothing.

Not according to the title of whatever they say they are.

Sure. Are they sourced? You are missing the point I am making about this source.

Why not? It absolutely is material to show that this thing is not a good source. They say he’s worth 25 million dollars and he makes his fortune in real estate and pipeline investments. Also that he is one of the richest politicians in Canada. Is it true? No one knows because IT DOESN’T ACTUALLY SHOW THE RECEIPTS OF WHERE THEY GOT THEIR INFO.

Deflection on your part. I just explained why your source is garbage, to be honest it looks more like confirmation bias. You likely did a google search and this came up.

No. It’s very clear.

That’s your job. You provided it. Tell me what their source is? Nothing tells me it’s true or not true.

That the source is garbage? I just did. No sourcing and no attributions to anything. No actual info on them or their site.

I could care less if it interests you or not. You post garbage, I’ll call it out. Don’t like it? Tough luck.

Just because you say it is garbage, doesn't make it so. You have zero proof.

Obviously you can't dispute what is printed. So you attack the journalist and web site.

Thousands of articles have been posted here without attribution of the content.

Your only problem with it is that it comes from a Conservative source, which you are typically loath to agree with.

We have nothing to discuss, because you can't disprove what is written there. All the rest of your charges and tangents are what is garbage.

All we have done is determine your bias. Tough luck indeed.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

That’s not how this works. If it’s on the internet, it’s presumed to be true.

In fact while we’re here I’m going to take the opportunity to let everyone know that Remius hates freedom, children, puppies, and well-executed parade drill. Anyone who takes exception to these claims bears the onus of proving them untrue.

Sarcasm aside, a spot on comment.

 

[ArmyRick]

Before people wet their pants with excitement, here is a bucket of cold water.

At this point can Carney and the LPC win? YES.

At this point can Poilievre and the CPC win? Yes

Could either side have a majority government? Yes. How about either getting a minority government? Yes although it will hurt the CPC more so.

1984 John Turner runs as LPC PM (and was favoured to win)

1984 Canadian federal election - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

a few key points
"The election was fought almost entirely on the record of the Liberals, who had been in power.."
" ..internal data initially showed that the Liberals had regained the lead in opinion polls. "
"The Liberals' early lead began to slip as Turner made several prominent gaffes"
"Other voters turned against the Liberals due to their mounting legacy of patronage and corruption."
"Turner continued to refer to "make work projects" and made other gaffes that caused voters to see him as a relic from the past."

As you should know, the election results were Conservatives 211, Liberals 40, NDP, 30, Other, 1.

Next I will show what happened in the 1993 Kim Campbell Election.

 

[MilEME09]

He's not going to let anyone liquidate his portfolio. Whoever is in charge of the trust will likely be subservient to Carney. If you believe a blind trust of someone like Carney, is totally immune and insulated from his interference and direction, I have land you need to look at.

You are insinuating Carney would break the law and commit a criminal act without any evidence. This is the problem in our politics right now, everyone is assuming things and not presenting facts

 

[Lumber]

Just because you say it is garbage, doesn't make it so. You have zero proof.

Obviously you can't dispute what is printed. So you attack the journalist and web site.

Thousands of articles have been posted here without attribution of the content.

Your only problem with it is that it comes from a Conservative source, which you are typically loath to agree with.

We have nothing to discuss, because you can't disprove what is written there. All the rest of your charges and tangents are what is garbage.

All we have done is determine your bias. Tough luck indeed.

Hey @Fishbone Jones, prove this source wrong. Don't just say the site is garbage, provide proof.

"Justin Trudeau is a Canadian politician and educator with a net worth estimated at $5 million."

Justin Trudeau Net Worth, Salary, Career, and More

Discover Justin Trudeau's net worth, salary, career highlights, and controversies. Learn about his journey as Canada's Prime Minister.

www.finance-monthly.com

 

[ArmyRick]

Now, lets have a peek at 1993 Kim Campbell bloodbath

1993 Canadian federal election - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Some key take away points
"Campbell's initial efforts helped the party recover somewhat in pre-election polls..."
"(Mulroney) permitted a series of patronage appointments just as he left the PM's office in 1993"
"With polls showing him facing almost certain defeat in the next election, Mulroney announced his retirement from politics "
"Campbell enjoyed a brief period of high popularity upon being sworn in, becoming the eponym of "Campbellmania"
"By the end of the summer, Campbell's personal popularity was far ahead of that of Chrétien"
"Campbell was therefore seen as having a good chance of remaining in power if the Progressive Conservatives could at least finish with a similar number of seats to the Liberals"
" Most notably, the election marked the worst defeat for a governing party at the federal level and the worst ever suffered by a governing party in the Western democratic world."

The former Mulroney/Then Campbell Conservatives were obliterated.

Included is the opinion polls leading up to and including the election

1993 Canadian federal election - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

To quote Brian Liley "Voters are fickle, campaigns matter"