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Liberal Minority Government 2021 - ????
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Honestly, I am surprised it took this long to decide.
We stand closer and closer to losing our status as a 5 Eyes nation with this kind of political jockeying. China is not a friend to the West and therefore not a friend to Canada.
To think we can play both sides of the fence and get along swimmingly with our biggest national security partner is lunacy.
We stand closer and closer to losing our status as a 5 Eyes nation with this kind of political jockeying. China is not a friend to the West and therefore not a friend to Canada.
To think we can play both sides of the fence and get along swimmingly with our biggest national security partner is lunacy.
Pretty sure there were behind the scenes discussions long before this that assured our partners. This is isn’t a surprise to anyone including the Chinese.
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Because everything is so peaceful these days we can afford to loosen up a bit, right?
A new law proposed by the Liberal government would scrap some mandatory minimum sentences, as incarceration rates among racialized and Indigenous people far exceed the national average. Mike Le Couteur looks at whether the move would tackle systemic racism in the judicial system.
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said on Wednesday that policies the Conservatives claimed were “tough on crime” were “really just tough on Black Canadians and Indigenous Canadians.”
He made the comment during a heated exchange in question period that saw Conservatives accuse the Liberals of planning to “make it allowable for criminals to get house arrest” by repealing policies that broadened the use of mandatory minimum sentences.
“He’s going after law-abiding Canadians but going soft on gangsters,” said Conservative MP Shannon Stubbs before asking: “Will he scrap Bill C-5?”
Trudeau said the government is repealing “failed” Conservative policies.
“They claim to be tough on crime but really they’re just tough on Black Canadians and Indigenous people,” Trudeau said before being drowned out by shouts.
“Our criminal justice reform legislation turns the page on failed Conservative party policies,” he repeated afterwards. “What we need is a system that doesn’t target people because of systemic discrimination.”
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Trudeau says Tory ‘tough on crime’ rhetoric only tough on Black, Indigenous Canadians
A new law proposed by the Liberal government would scrap some mandatory minimum sentences, as incarceration rates among racialized and Indigenous people far exceed the national average. Mike Le Couteur looks at whether the move would tackle systemic racism in the judicial system.
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said on Wednesday that policies the Conservatives claimed were “tough on crime” were “really just tough on Black Canadians and Indigenous Canadians.”
He made the comment during a heated exchange in question period that saw Conservatives accuse the Liberals of planning to “make it allowable for criminals to get house arrest” by repealing policies that broadened the use of mandatory minimum sentences.
“He’s going after law-abiding Canadians but going soft on gangsters,” said Conservative MP Shannon Stubbs before asking: “Will he scrap Bill C-5?”
Trudeau said the government is repealing “failed” Conservative policies.
“They claim to be tough on crime but really they’re just tough on Black Canadians and Indigenous people,” Trudeau said before being drowned out by shouts.
“Our criminal justice reform legislation turns the page on failed Conservative party policies,” he repeated afterwards. “What we need is a system that doesn’t target people because of systemic discrimination.”
Trudeau says Tory ‘tough on crime’ rhetoric only tough on Black, Indigenous Canadians - National | Globalnews.ca
Canadian data shows Black and Indigenous Canadians are disproportionately impacted by mandatory minimum sentences, which the former Conservative government expanded.
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How is it systemic racism if they are guilty of the crimes they are charged with? If they aren’t we need to change the system but if they did commit the crime the punishment is fair.
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There are various studies... this one doesn't seem to mention anything about 'mandatory minimums' though:
Study: Black citizens "over-represented" in Toronto police arrests, shootings
TORONTO (Thomson Reuters Foundation) - Black people in Toronto are disproportionately arrested and fatally shot by police, according to a government report released on Monday showing racially charged police violence in Canada’s largest city rivaled that of the United States.
Black people are “grossly over-represented” in police actions, comprising nearly a third of criminal charges despite being about 9% of the city’s population, said the Ontario Human Rights Commission report.
The highly anticipated report comes in the wake of protests around the world, including in Canada, over the U.S. deaths of George Floyd, Breonna Taylor and other Black Americans at the hands of police.
“The report’s results are highly disturbing and confirm what Black communities have said for decades: that Black people bear a disproportionate burden of law enforcement,” said Ena Chadha, interim chief commissioner, in a virtual news conference.
Analyzing data from 2013 to 2017, researchers found the lethal police shooting rate of Black people in Toronto was 7.29 per million people each year, compared with an average of 6.99 per million people in the United States.
Any perception that racist behavior in Canada’s police was not as serious as in the United States is wrong, and the report “compels us to stop perpetuating this myth,” Chadha said.
Charges against Black people were more likely to be withdrawn and less likely to result in conviction than those against white people, it said.
“Anti-Black racism remains persistent and is not simply a perception of angry and frustrated activists. It manifests very clearly in pretty much every interaction that a civilian can have with police,” said Anthony Morgan, manager of the Toronto city government’s anti-racism unit.
Study: Black citizens "over-represented" in Toronto police arrests, shootings
Black people in Toronto are disproportionately arrested and fatally shot by police, according to a government report released on Monday showing racially charged police violence in Canada's largest city rivaled that of the United States.
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Saw this first hand as a Scarborough kid.There are various studies... this one doesn't seem to mention anything about 'mandatory minimums' though:
Study: Black citizens "over-represented" in Toronto police arrests, shootings
TORONTO (Thomson Reuters Foundation) - Black people in Toronto are disproportionately arrested and fatally shot by police, according to a government report released on Monday showing racially charged police violence in Canada’s largest city rivaled that of the United States.
Black people are “grossly over-represented” in police actions, comprising nearly a third of criminal charges despite being about 9% of the city’s population, said the Ontario Human Rights Commission report.
The highly anticipated report comes in the wake of protests around the world, including in Canada, over the U.S. deaths of George Floyd, Breonna Taylor and other Black Americans at the hands of police.
“The report’s results are highly disturbing and confirm what Black communities have said for decades: that Black people bear a disproportionate burden of law enforcement,” said Ena Chadha, interim chief commissioner, in a virtual news conference.
Analyzing data from 2013 to 2017, researchers found the lethal police shooting rate of Black people in Toronto was 7.29 per million people each year, compared with an average of 6.99 per million people in the United States.
Any perception that racist behavior in Canada’s police was not as serious as in the United States is wrong, and the report “compels us to stop perpetuating this myth,” Chadha said.
Charges against Black people were more likely to be withdrawn and less likely to result in conviction than those against white people, it said.
“Anti-Black racism remains persistent and is not simply a perception of angry and frustrated activists. It manifests very clearly in pretty much every interaction that a civilian can have with police,” said Anthony Morgan, manager of the Toronto city government’s anti-racism unit.
Study: Black citizens "over-represented" in Toronto police arrests, shootings
Black people in Toronto are disproportionately arrested and fatally shot by police, according to a government report released on Monday showing racially charged police violence in Canada's largest city rivaled that of the United States.
Interactions with the TPS were very different depending on the company I was with and what part of town I was in. The way they handled breaking up a house party was grossly different depending on if it was in West Rouge vice Galloway and Lawrence.
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Why do you think that is?
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Because they were Black? Wearing a hat? Had the wrong postal code on their ID?
You tell me. I was never hassled wandering around the same neighbourhoods and I was up to the same tricks, I was just a little lacking in the melanin I guess.
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Seems like a straight forward case of racism then. With Caucasians now being the minority in Toronto and the GTA, and TPS being 26% visible minorities (as of 2020) and climbing, it seems like it's only a matter of time before visible minorities in the TPS reach 50%+ and those over-represented numbers dropping.
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That's like dealing with rust on the car by painting over it instead of keeping it parked in a garage.
"Disparate impacts" almost always result from earlier fundamental factors upstream. Family life and education are two big ones.
especially family life. Having a secure home environment with parents that you come home to each night makes a big difference. Latch key kids have always been at a disadvantage and they were more often of African descent (including Jamaica). Now that more anglos are caught up in the same monetary rat race I suspect that the numbers will begin to balance
“Systemic” racism goes well beyond the immediate individual interaction. It doesn’t mean an individual police officer behaves in a racist manner in their interactions with a racialized individual.
The concept needs to be understood as being the sum of many small parts. Everything from which communities have more focused patrol and response resources; what types of offences are more likely to see a person detained in custody, or alternatively subjected to more stringent and more easily breached bail conditions; all the way upstream to blatantly racist treatment of certain communities years ago that set entire subsequent generations up for much greater difficulty, resulting in more individuals adopting behaviours that led some of them to commit criminal acts.
There are entire communities stuck in self perpetuating cycles of violence, abuse, and trauma, in the course of which many individuals end up in conflict with the law. Treatment of our indigenous populations a hundred or more years ago (and obviously continuing much more recently than that) continues to feed cycles of criminality as people struggle with substance abuse, violence within family relationships, etc.
It’s not an attack, or inappropriate, or incorrect to say that in broad generalities there remains systemic racism in Canada. Drilling down to what that looks like is a lot harder, and a lot of it is basically ‘legacy’ of stuff that happened decades ago. But it does still result in very disparate results in the criminal justice world.
One either believes that non-white people are more inherently likely to commit criminal acts, or one does not. If one does not (me, and I hope everyone here), then you have to start looking at why there’s a difference in statistical outcomes, why demographic X is more likely on a per capita basis to be criminally convicted or spend more percentage of their life in prison. There are many small answers that add up to a monstrously complex total picture.
I have no idea what fixing this looks like, but I believe it’s a whole-of-government and all-life-stages problem to solve.
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One weird thing on the Indigenous side is that they are entitled to a 'Gladue report' as part of the sentencing (which is good in theory) that actually looks at all these factors so they can be taken into account by the judge as a mitigating factor, and look at some alternate sentencing/rehabilitation options.
The weird part is that most times no one gets a Gladue report, and everything funnels through a single organization that does some gatekeeping and restricts people that can write the reports (even if they have gotten the prerequisite Gladue writing course from a qualified teacher), so it's an artificially small pool that is way inadequate to keep up with the potential demand. They are also written as stories, vice a background report with recommendations, so a judge may have to wade through 30 pages of prose to get to the actual meat of things. It's really too bad, as that could make a huge difference. Simple things like being able to get a diagnoses for undocumented conditions and get some coping strategies for that, and would directly help prevent future crimes and help with better life choices should be a part of that if we really want to reform people, and that would be a really good way to do it. Unfortunately people got involved and F'd it all up (as per SOP).
The weird part is that most times no one gets a Gladue report, and everything funnels through a single organization that does some gatekeeping and restricts people that can write the reports (even if they have gotten the prerequisite Gladue writing course from a qualified teacher), so it's an artificially small pool that is way inadequate to keep up with the potential demand. They are also written as stories, vice a background report with recommendations, so a judge may have to wade through 30 pages of prose to get to the actual meat of things. It's really too bad, as that could make a huge difference. Simple things like being able to get a diagnoses for undocumented conditions and get some coping strategies for that, and would directly help prevent future crimes and help with better life choices should be a part of that if we really want to reform people, and that would be a really good way to do it. Unfortunately people got involved and F'd it all up (as per SOP).
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Especially after Danzig St.
My impression was that Metro police used to deploy heavily into high crime areas because, "that's where the crime is".
I recall reading Letters to the Editor from readers in low crime areas complaining they were paying for police protection that was going elsewhere.
I also recall reading local news stories that people in high crime areas voted regularly for police pay raises and benefits. And the police gave them the best service they could.
I recall reading somewhere that our old, and smaller, Metro force made more arrests, issued more "citations / tickets" and did more "carding" than now. While still covering the same 243 sq mile geographic area.
I doubt there is a "nice" way to arrest a dangerous and combative suspect.
The words "To serve and protect" on the side of their cars was more than a motto. It was a promise.
As taxpayers, when did we - the public - feel safer, then or now?
I suspect when the community fails to support its police in their proper and reasonable enforcement efforts, officers may become demoralized and cease proactive enforcement. ie: "carding" or "Field Interrogation", or whatever it is called now. FIDO.
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If Gladue Reports are worthwhile, then they should be applied to everyone with background problems, not people with background problems who belong to a specific ethnic ground.
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And these kind of factors are the hardest to fix quickly (within a typical election cycle?) once they're screwed up among disadvantaged youth (not just minorities), especially with a few critics saying (depending on what's being suggested) that it's not being tough enough on "bad seed".
On Huawei, meanwhile, Terry Glavin nails it ...
Terry Glavin: There’s no Huawei ‘ban’ until we get it in writing
Thursday’s promised amendments to the Telecommunications Act will be tabled in legislation 'in the very short term,' Champagne said. We’ll see
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