Liberal Minority Government 2025 - ???

[Brad Sallows]

Security costs time and money, as does the damage caused by lack of it. Authorities choose which laws they want to enforce and focus finite resources accordingly, and leave private interests - particularly the insurance system, in which the burden is so diffuse to the average ratepayer as to be almost ignorable - to bear the costs of everything else. Sometimes it means enforcing the political priors and aesthetics of the ruling classes at the expense of everyone else. UK is working hard to be the horrible warning in this respect.

 

[ArmyRick]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/poilievre-wants-temporary-foreign-worker-program-scrapped-1.7623864

Well well well...PP is actually out there making sense. Why he didn't do this during the election is suspect, but I'll give him begrudging credit for saying the right words at least.

He did bring this up. He hasn't changed it much. Did you fall for mindless rhetoric that accused Pierre of xenophobia or some bullshit?

 

[Brad Sallows]

As I wrote elsewhere about the Democrats and referring to the NDP, both are currently in the political phase that often follows electoral disappointment in which a party convinces itself for a cycle or two that it just wasn't ideologically pure enough and/or didn't tell its (increasingly strident) story well enough. For now, activists who sense they control the party are determined to impose their will. Of course there is no authority they hold over voters which prevents the latter from defecting.

 

[Altair]

He did bring this up. He hasn't changed it much. Did you fall for mindless rhetoric that accused Pierre of xenophobia or some bullshit?

Jamil Javani said something to this effect in may, but I don't remember PP saying it or it being a part of the CPC platform. Care to show me where I missed this?

 

[ArmyRick]

Jamil Javani said something to this effect in may, but I don't remember PP saying it or it being a part of the CPC platform. Care to show me where I missed this?

What is Pierre Poilievre’s stance on immigration?

Pierre Poilievre has voiced major criticisms of the current government's immigration policies, suggesting that he might table major reforms if he were to become the next prime minister of Canada. With Justin Trudeau having announced his resignation on January 6, Poilievre is a top contender for...

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[Czech_pivo]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Economics/comments/88zb6/two_novels_can_change_a_fourteenyear_olds_life

Have read them both, along with all other Ayn Rand novels. Both her and token were directly influenced by WWI and its consequences, him through his life in the trenches, her dealing with her shattered life and way of living as a result of the Russian revolution and eventual fleeing of her homeland.

To me, her best book was 'We the Living', the others pale in comparison to this one.

 

[Eaglelord17]

The Bloc are not doing this.

As for the 4th largest party in Canadian politics, I have no doubt that this is socially acceptable in their circles but abhorrent in society at large.

This is a party that needs to be chasing the blue collar, tradesmen vote, and are actively telling them that their votes are not needed.

Comeback? They are flirting with the dustbin of history.

The Bloc I wouldn’t consider the 3rd largest party by membership or vote. They have more seats but that is due to first past the post structuring more than general voting intentions. The NDP consistently have a higher voting percentage though less effective voting. Remember the NDP were the official opposition a decade ago well the Bloc will likely never be more than it is today.

This likely is the death if that party, the champagne socialists have pushed out the worker socialists and they will not survive without the workers.

 

[Altair]

What is Pierre Poilievre’s stance on immigration?

Pierre Poilievre has voiced major criticisms of the current government's immigration policies, suggesting that he might table major reforms if he were to become the next prime minister of Canada. With Justin Trudeau having announced his resignation on January 6, Poilievre is a top contender for...

www.cicnews.com

Yeah, so most of the TFW comments came in 2024, and most involved reforming the program, not getting rid of it outright. And as of 2025, the campaign, according to that link, he didn't say that it should be scrapped, so I think I'm fair in saying that I didn't hear anything of it during the campaign.

 

[ArmyRick]

Jamil Javani said something to this effect in may, but I don't remember PP saying it or it being a part of the CPC platform. Care to show me where I missed this?

To expand, during the campaign Pierre did briefly cover this, he took a louder stance on speeding up asylum claims faster (recents ones first, older ones last), however he didn't really dig at it (I am guessing) political tactics. Too much emphasis on anything immigration related gets easily twisted into anti-immigrants. The same way Carney barely mention crimes and drugs, as that is a weak point for the Liberal records.

 

[ArmyRick]

Yeah, so most of the TFW comments came in 2024, and most involved reforming the program, not getting rid of it outright. And as of 2025, the campaign, according to that link, he didn't say that it should be scrapped, so I think I'm fair in saying that I didn't hear anything of it during the campaign.

Add in to that, the Trump factor overshadowed everything. And as was pointed out the election first and foremost became how to deal with Trump and NOT crime, economy, housing, immigration, etc.

 

[Altair]

The Bloc I wouldn’t consider the 3rd largest party by membership or vote. They have more seats but that is due to first past the post structuring more than general voting intentions. The NDP consistently have a higher voting percentage though less effective voting. Remember the NDP were the official opposition a decade ago well the Bloc will likely never be more than it is today.

This likely is the death if that party, the champagne socialists have pushed out the worker socialists and they will not survive without the workers.

My comment was very much tongue in cheek. That said, if a party gets second place in 343 ridings across the country, it isn't the second biggest party in the country, is it?

But yes, if the continue to alienate men, trades men, union men, and all that are left champagne woke zealots then the party will be cast out into the political wilderness. Labour will go with the CPC and to a lesser extent the LPC.

 

[Altair]

Add in to that, the Trump factor overshadowed everything. And as was pointed out the election first and foremost became how to deal with Trump and NOT crime, economy, housing, immigration, etc.

Do you think of me as a low information voter?

 

[PPCLI Guy]

The social aspects are interesting as well. Its been described as an every man for themselves outlook on life. Anti taxation, anti welfare, and anti regulation. It dismisses the value of ordinary workers and especially social programs.

So basically Project 2025. Merica, fuck yeah

 

[The Bread Guy]

Good question.

Education maybe? I had no idea how packed jails were until I heard about it first hand from someone inside the one in Ottawa. I didn't really care before, and afterwards the small minded part of me thought good.

Other people might get mad when they read about a guy murdering his wife after getting bailed (from assaulting his wife) but they don't picture themselves as victims of criminals out on bail.

The true political cynic in me thinks that if there were significantly more votes to be won by saying "build more jails to lock 'em up" in Canada, more politicians (often Blue, but a few Red maybe, too) would pipe up and throw that out into the political info-fight.

To me, promising to lock more people up should, ideally, go with offers to create more accommodations for the incoming "guests."

Then again, this being Federation Canada, the feds can promise laws to get/keep more folks in jail while - generally, anyway - it's the provinces who'd have to come up with more "guest" space.

what happens with the youth centres? Are they not overloaded as well? Addressing that issue properly might serve to reduce the need for adult centres.

I can't speak to how crowded youth jails/detention places are, but I suspect it's as bad as the rest of the system - with the same question re: if politicians are saying "lock 'em up," why aren't more of them saying, "we will be happy to build more jails"?

So basically Project 2025. Merica, fuck yeah

Ahhhhhh, NOTHING like the classics

 

[ArmyRick]

Do you think of me as a low information voter?

Nope, it was easy to miss a lot. Ask me what the NDP campaigned on other than "Conservatives are bad meanies and will eat your children..." and I couldn't tell you. I was hyper focused on CPC vs LPC. Keep in mind there was blatant CBC, CTV (They muzzled Vassey during the election), Global were all pretty much cheerleading team red.

Ask me what the LPC stance was on crime and drugs (other than attacking the CPC), I couldn't tell you.

 

[Altair]

Nope, it was easy to miss a lot. Ask me what the NDP campaigned on other than "Conservatives are bad meanies and will eat your children..." and I couldn't tell you. I was hyper focused on CPC vs LPC. Keep in mind there was blatant CBC, CTV (They muzzled Vassey during the election), Global were all pretty much cheerleading team red.

Be that as it may, I read the platforms and listened to the speeches when leaders made them, and PP didn't really cover that.

That said, he's saying it now, and I'm not unhappy that he is. Maybe Carney will borrow that idea next. I'm liking the synergy between team red and team blue.

 

[Quirky]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/poilievre-wants-temporary-foreign-worker-program-scrapped-1.7623864

Well well well...PP is actually out there making sense. Why he didn't do this during the election is suspect, but I'll give him begrudging credit for saying the right words at least.

Business are already complaining and firing back. We wouldn’t want Canadians to be paid decent wages, easier to just bring in TFW for slave labour wages to serve coffee.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Reducing the number of TFWs would reduce a lot of driving fatalities.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Business are already complaining and firing back. We wouldn’t want Canadians to be paid decent wages, easier to just bring in TFW for slave labour wages to serve coffee.

The reality is this, there are jobs here in Canada that CDN's living here will not do - at wages linked to the job. I've pointed out on here numerous times that Windsor, ON usually has the HIGHEST unemployment in Canada, yet 25-30km's away in the Harrow-Kingsville-Leamington corridor the local greenhouse companies bring in 5-6,000 Mexican/Caribbean workers making min. or above min. wages for FT work picking vegetables because virtually NO ONE in the Windsor area will do the work.

I'm sure at 25-28$/hr they might get some unemployed in Windsor to do that work, but; 1) would productivity at the greenhouses suffer (willing to bet that it would) and, 2) are you, the consumer, willing to pay 30%+ more for your vegetables just to reduce the bringing in of 5.000 Mexicans?

 

[daftandbarmy]

Reducing the number of TFWs would reduce a lot of driving fatalities.

I beg to differ

Older drivers are at increased risk of fatal crash involvement: Results of a systematic review and meta-analysis​

• Older drivers have 3 to 20 times higher risk of fatal crash than non-older drivers.

Older drivers are at increased risk of fatal crash involvement: Results of a systematic review and meta-analysis

Older adults have become a larger part of the driving population, but whether they are at increased risk of being involved in fatal crashes remains un…

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