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Liberal Minority Government 2025 - ???

Do you think of me as a low information voter?
Nope, it was easy to miss a lot. Ask me what the NDP campaigned on other than "Conservatives are bad meanies and will eat your children..." and I couldn't tell you. I was hyper focused on CPC vs LPC. Keep in mind there was blatant CBC, CTV (They muzzled Vassey during the election), Global were all pretty much cheerleading team red.

Ask me what the LPC stance was on crime and drugs (other than attacking the CPC), I couldn't tell you.
 
Nope, it was easy to miss a lot. Ask me what the NDP campaigned on other than "Conservatives are bad meanies and will eat your children..." and I couldn't tell you. I was hyper focused on CPC vs LPC. Keep in mind there was blatant CBC, CTV (They muzzled Vassey during the election), Global were all pretty much cheerleading team red.
Be that as it may, I read the platforms and listened to the speeches when leaders made them, and PP didn't really cover that.

That said, he's saying it now, and I'm not unhappy that he is. Maybe Carney will borrow that idea next. I'm liking the synergy between team red and team blue.
 
Business are already complaining and firing back. We wouldn’t want Canadians to be paid decent wages, easier to just bring in TFW for slave labour wages to serve coffee.
The reality is this, there are jobs here in Canada that CDN's living here will not do - at wages linked to the job. I've pointed out on here numerous times that Windsor, ON usually has the HIGHEST unemployment in Canada, yet 25-30km's away in the Harrow-Kingsville-Leamington corridor the local greenhouse companies bring in 5-6,000 Mexican/Caribbean workers making min. or above min. wages for FT work picking vegetables because virtually NO ONE in the Windsor area will do the work.

I'm sure at 25-28$/hr they might get some unemployed in Windsor to do that work, but; 1) would productivity at the greenhouses suffer (willing to bet that it would) and, 2) are you, the consumer, willing to pay 30%+ more for your vegetables just to reduce the bringing in of 5.000 Mexicans?
 
Reducing the number of TFWs would reduce a lot of driving fatalities.

I beg to differ ;)


Older drivers are at increased risk of fatal crash involvement: Results of a systematic review and meta-analysis​


  • Older drivers have 3 to 20 times higher risk of fatal crash than non-older drivers.


 
Be that as it may, I read the platforms and listened to the speeches when leaders made them, and PP didn't really cover that.

That said, he's saying it now, and I'm not unhappy that he is. Maybe Carney will borrow that idea next. I'm liking the synergy between team red and team blue.
Stealing and poaching ideas is encouraged.

I would love to start a tax reduction bidding war
 
I'm sure at 25-28$/hr they might get some unemployed in Windsor to do that work, but; 1) would productivity at the greenhouses suffer (willing to bet that it would) and, 2) are you, the consumer, willing to pay 30%+ more for your vegetables just to reduce the bringing in of 5.000 Mexicans?
I am gonna put the brakes on you. Its not the ag TFW they are talking about. That has always been there. Always.

They are talking about every Timmys, Wendys, Starbucks, Grocery Stores, Walmarts, etc. filled with TFWs. Thats the dialogue.
 
I beg to differ ;)
In Ontario drivers need to do a retest once they're 80 and every 2 years after. Dropping that age to 65 would certainly save lives.

In Ontario visitors can drive for up to 3 months on an international drivers license, which doesnt require a road test.

Theres cases of truck drivers using bribery and forged documents to get their Canadian license. Sounds very similar to our college diploma mills.
 
I am gonna put the brakes on you. Its not the ag TFW they are talking about. That has always been there. Always.

They are talking about every Timmys, Wendys, Starbucks, Grocery Stores, Walmarts, etc. filled with TFWs. Thats the dialogue.
Lol, your example is linked directly to the number of Int'l students allowed in and the number of hours they are allowed to work under their student visas. Add to that the 'fast track' entrepreneur and business investment immigrants that are allowed to enter Canada every year and the fact that these are coming from Southeast Asia and those folks have been hiring in massive numbers said international students.

Add to the mix that the existing franchisee owners of said Wendy's, Timmy's, A&W, Pita Pit, etc, etc are selling their franchise's to these new immigrants at much much prices and retiring.

The massive drop in International students is already directly affecting the Colleges in Ontario and to a lessor extent, the University's. This has lead to a large drop in course offerings, closing of satellite campus and head count. Give it another year and you'll see the youth unemployment numbers dropping.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/sudb...s-enrollment-post-secondary-figures-1.7620282



 
... We wouldn’t want Canadians to be paid decent wages, easier to just bring in TFW for slave labour wages to serve coffee.
And your evidence for TFW's getting less than minimum wage? Or that offering higher wages will lead to more Canadians wanting the jobs and getting them?

Twenty years ago, places in northern Ontario with active mines had to bring in foreign workers because nobody was willing to work at the coffee shop for $25/hour compared to the mining jobs, so this isn't a new problem. As @Czech_pivo said, there's jobs Canadian's aren't taking for any money.

If TFW's are generally making minimum wage, and you consider that "slave labour wages," are you also dipping your toe into "we need a higher minimum wage" waters, too? ;)

I also have to say that it's bold of you, in this time of lots of calls to deal with all of "those people" to echo a position taken last year by a (globalist/run by Soros/New World Order) U.N. investigator stopping in Ottawa, Moncton, Montréal, Toronto and Vancouver. Even HE said (highlights mine), though, that he was ....
... encouraged to find that majority of employers of temporary foreign workers act in good faith, noting that 94 per cent were found compliant during inspections in 2023. He also received information regarding various initiatives to protect the rights of workers implemented by employers and appreciated the efforts of the Government to increase worker protections, such as updated regulations requiring employersto inform workers of their rights and to ensure access to health care. He also appreciated that employers in British Columbia, Manitoba, Saskatchewan and Nova Scotia must be registered with provincial and territorial authorities before hiring temporary foreign workers ...
I am gonna put the brakes on you. Its not the ag TFW they are talking about. That has always been there. Always.
Good clarification. Sadly, a lot of harshest grumbling on the socials also includes how those folks are taking jobs away from Canadians, too :(
 
Lol, your example is linked directly to the number of Int'l students allowed in and the number of hours they are allowed to work under their student visas. Add to that the 'fast track' entrepreneur and business investment immigrants that are allowed to enter Canada every year and the fact that these are coming from Southeast Asia and those folks have been hiring in massive numbers said international students.

Add to the mix that the existing franchisee owners of said Wendy's, Timmy's, A&W, Pita Pit, etc, etc are selling their franchise's to these new immigrants at much much prices and retiring.

The massive drop in International students is already directly affecting the Colleges in Ontario and to a lessor extent, the University's. This has lead to a large drop in course offerings, closing of satellite campus and head count. Give it another year and you'll see the youth unemployment numbers dropping.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/sudb...s-enrollment-post-secondary-figures-1.7620282



There is nowhere for international students to study up here in my immediate area. And we have a flood of TFWs.
 
There is nowhere for international students to study up here in my immediate area. And we have a flood of TFWs.
It's call fraud - they are coming in under the International student scheme at some phony 'English Language school' or some 'training programme' and not going to them.
 
And your evidence for TFW's getting less than minimum wage?
From my understanding, I may be incorrect, if the employer fills out a LMIA (local Market impact assessment) and proves they "tried" to hire someone in the area, they can get a subsidy for roughly $3/hour to help cover TFW wages.

The employer pays less for minimum wage since the fed government tops it up
 
In Ontario drivers need to do a retest once they're 80 and every 2 years after. Dropping that age to 65 would certainly save lives.

I second this motion.

The massive drop in International students is already directly affecting the Colleges in Ontario and to a lessor extent, the University's. This has lead to a large drop in course offerings, closing of satellite campus and head count.

You say that like its a bad thing...
 
It's call fraud - they are coming in under the International student scheme at some phony 'English Language school' or some 'training programme' and not going to them.
I mean in my area, there is NO university, college, training academies, deVrys, etc. Its grade and high schools, thats it. You have to drive over an hour in either direction to hit a post secondary training or education facility.

Yet, we have TFWs almost everywhere.
 
From my understanding, I may be incorrect, if the employer fills out a LMIA (local Market impact assessment) and proves they "tried" to hire someone in the area, they can get a subsidy for roughly $3/hour to help cover TFW wages.

The employer pays less for minimum wage since the fed government tops it up
All true, but the point I was debating was ...
... We wouldn’t want Canadians to be paid decent wages ...
... so with or without the subsidy, minimum wage workers make the same amount. It costs the employer less under TFW, but the employee's cheque ends up being the same, all other factors being the same.

Other issues with the system, though? No question, needs LOADSA work.
 
This is the problem -


"including the change to the number of hours international students may work off campus that was proposed earlier this year. With this change, eligible students can now work up to 24 hours per week off campus while their classes are in session."

I don't know how its possible for a kid going to school full time and having all the homework/study/labs/tutorials that go along with full time university/college and can still work 24!! hours a week! That's insane. A more realistic number is half of that - 12hrs a week - no more.
 
Numerical context for the issue

StatsCan estimates of Overall non permanent work permit holders (not just TFW program) 1.463mm Q42024, down to 1.453mm Q2 2025 - down by 10k

2024 January to October - 162k new permits issued, 33k of them for the Agricultural stream (129k non Ag)

January to June 2025 - 105k total permits, 33k new, 72k extensions.
 
I don't know how its possible for a kid going to school full time and having all the homework/study/labs/tutorials that go along with full time university/college and can still work 24!! hours a week! That's insane. A more realistic number is half of that - 12hrs a week - no more.
Depends on the program. For many the rule of thumb is 3 hours in class per course per week, with a ~1:1 class/study ratio. Picking up 20-30 hours of work on top is completely reasonable if the scheduling works- if that's the life you want/need.

Get into the more intensive STEM fields with 5 per course/week and a 2:1 or even 3:1, yeah- good luck.
 
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