Liberal Minority Government 2025 - ???

[IKnowNothing]

You're outsourcing responsibility. If you recognize the option has serious negative aspects and choose it anyway, that trade off belongs to you. You can criticize the alternatives as much as you want, just don’t shift accountability for the consequences of your own vote onto the people who didn’t design a candidate you prefer.

You can own a decision as the best available while recognizing that it didn't have to be such- and holding those that left it that way accountable.

 

[Jarnhamar]

You can own a decision as the best available while recognizing that it didn't have to be such- and holding those that left it that way accountable.

Sure. You can argue the options could’ve been better, but once you knowingly choose one, you own the full outcome. “It didn’t have to be this way” doesn’t transfer responsibility for the consequences of your vote to someone else.

 

[IKnowNothing]

Sure. You can argue the options could’ve been better, but once you knowingly choose one, you own the full outcome. “It didn’t have to be this way” doesn’t transfer responsibility for the consequences of your vote to someone else.

Does a widespread feeling of "It didn't have to be this way" across a material portion of the electorate imbue responsibility for the consequence of all of those votes on those whose decisions led to losing them?

 

[Jarnhamar]

Does a widespread feeling of "It didn't have to be this way" across a material portion of the electorate imbue responsibility for the consequence of all of those votes on those whose decisions led to losing them?

I don't think so, no. Again, a widespread feeling doesn’t transfer responsibility, voters still make individual choices, and consequences flow from those choices. Not from the fact that people wish the options were different.

When you vote, do you vote for your local MP as a personality, "the party", or the parties leader?

 

[IKnowNothing]

I don't think so, no. Again, a widespread feeling doesn’t transfer responsibility, voters still make individual choices, and consequences flow from those choices. Not from the fact that people wish the options were different.

So ultimately, the leader of the losing party carries no responsibility for losing. "Vote for what we have on offer or piss off and be happy/ or not with the other options"

How does this apply to leadership elections? Do the members that voted in the losing horse then carry internal (to party) responsibility for the consequences of their choice in choosing a loser?

 

[Jarnhamar]

So ultimately, the leader of the losing party carries no responsibility for losing. "Vote for what we have on offer or piss off and be happy/ or not with the other options"

How does this apply to leadership elections? Do the members that voted in the losing horse then carry internal (to party) responsibility for the consequences of their choice in choosing a loser?

You missed my question.

 

[CBH99]

But I see nothing wrong with us going from 5% of our trade with China to 10% - if its managed accordingly.

As long as we are careful about how we proceed, and what we allow in terms of our relationship, Canada expanding trade with China can be a very good thing.

We don't export much in terms of refined goods, but we are blessed with plenty of natural resources & the industries to access them



We're walking one tight rope though, that's for sure

 

[IKnowNothing]

You missed my question.

It's a mix, with leader and party increasingly becoming the same thing. I never had a high opinion of PP, but Alex Ruff held my vote until the CPC colouring book platform betrayed just how unready Poilievre is to run a country