Liberal Minority Government 2025 - ???

[ArmyRick]

While I am improving the mood around here, have a watch

 

[Czech_pivo]

While I am improving the mood around here, have a watch

I watched the entire press conference, not sure what you or this clip is trying to convey.
It was a solid press conference done by Carney, full stop.
I see him as knocking the cover off the ball on Sunday, Monday and today. Three countries in 3 days and 3 successes.
I’ve never been a fan of the Liberal party, ever, but I have been impressed with 3 people in that party over the last 30yrs - Paul Martin Jr, Anita Anad and Mark Carney.
If Churchill is approved for expansion and LNG shipping, are you going to give him credit, on here, for achieving that? Or, will you complain that it’s only 1 LNG facility at Churchill and not 3, in addition, why is there no oil terminal as well?
Just trumping to understand what he needs to make happen before you give credit when credit is due.

 

[Altair]

@Altair if your trying to get me in some sort of gotcha moment, stop wasting your time.

You bring up points, I respond to them. I'm not trying to do a gotcha moment. I mean, you can point out where you think I'm trying to do that, but I really don't think I am.

I fuck up. I get shit wrong. I read people wrong at times. I know when I have turned down the wrong street and need to back up. Or if my decision to rope a bull by myself turn out to be real foolhardy decision and end up in the hospital. I can admit when I screwed up or got it wrong.

And yet, I fully articulate where I think you're right about something.

However, I have been correct as many times as as I have been wrong. I don't get complacent and assume everything is exactly as I say it is. I watch closely, I listen to ALL sides of a story or debate. I look for facts not fiction nor fantasy. I believe in the motto from Dwyer hill "Facta non verba" (No, I never served there), its brilliant and sums up real action and real results.

And again, when you make a good point, I don't argue you out of spite. I like to think I also listen to all sides of a story or debate. Your points on crime, for example, I agreed.

Now to make a few of you choke up. Pierre Poilievre is still the best choice to lead Canada, having reflected on it for the last 3 months or so. Everything he says, still stands true. I listen to very long winded explanations on why its not really the Liberals fault, or Mark Carney not to blame or just give him time. Yeah, enough. Carney needs to eat his words or pull a miracle rabbit out of the hat NOW.

If your expectations of a PM is to do miracles 4 months after an election, I understand why you're disappointed.

That said, PMMC is just a man. No matter how fast he moves the reality is some things take time, takes planning, takes patience.

And I'm no fan of PP, but even I would give him a year, year and a half before judging him on the entirety of his record. Enough time for a budget, and money from the budget to start flowing out to priorities.

 

[CBH99]

I was very wrong about the Liberals paying the price.

We all were, not just you

 

[CBH99]

If you only drive your Corolla 13 years you're doing it wrong

I had a little Corolla for YEARS that died on me last year (like dead dead, was no reviving it)

Those cars will last forever with just some healthy preventative maintenance



(A good friend of mine was looking for the plug in when it was like -40'C one morning, and popped the hood while looking for it. Problem was it was so cold outside the hood didn't latch properly - I found this out going about 100km/h on the Anthony Henday highway when the hood flew up and smashed the windshield so hard it dented all along the top windshield!)

 

[MilEME09]

Well this gave me a chuckle, Poilievre tried throwing shade on today's agreement with Germany, their ambassador wasn't having any of his BS.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1960516762673537088

 

[Quirky]

More talk and no action from carney and PP called him out. Photo ops, press conferences and speeches, the status quo liberal party SOP.

 

[Czech_pivo]

More talk and no action from carney and PP called him out. Photo ops, press conferences and speeches, the status quo liberal party SOP.

And in return the German Ambassador called out PP. Pretty telling in my opinion.

 

[Remius]

And in return the German Ambassador called out PP. Pretty telling in my opinion.

Imagine if this guy was PM…

 

[ArmyRick]

If your expectations of a PM is to do miracles 4 months after an election, I understand why you're disappointed.

That said, PMMC is just a man. No matter how fast he moves the reality is some things take time, takes planning, takes patience.

When Trudeau drove this car into the ditch, I expect Carney (I will admit, is very capable) to do miracles. He all but promised them during his election campaign.

 

[suffolkowner]

And one final gripe. PM MC had the opportunity to reverse the unrealistic and absolutely stupid no more ICE vehicles by 2035 mandate, starting in 2026. He should have or at least pushed it back.

The auto industry is fighting him on this. This could be yet another achilles heel for Uncle Mark

if the north american auto industry cant make a PHEV that can do 80km on battery for light passenger vehicles by another 10 yrs they dont deserve to be in business. We are already giving them a big boost by effectively banning Chinese EVs

 

[Altair]

When Trudeau drove this car into the ditch, I expect Carney (I will admit, is very capable) to do miracles. He all but promised them during his election campaign.

Every politician promises miracles during an election campaign. Hell, I remember someone promising to end the Ukraine Russia war in 24 hours after becoming president and releasing some files.

5,250 hours later...

That all said, we have lumber heading to Asia, aluminium heading to Europe, military getting the pay raise they deserve, subs being lined up, and despite everything the economy isn't in freefall.

For 4 months on the job,post election, I don't think he's been terrible, but it's clear we have differing expectations.

 

[brihard]

Number #1 thing is crime and justice. Canadians on both side of the political leanings are extremely pissed. MP Larry Brock of the CPC (former crown prosecutor) has an excellent bill to propose for bail reform, get the committees spun up, get some movement on this fast. I am sure there are other aspects of bail, crime, etc that need some stick handling. A sitting parliament with committees going would be much quicker.

You have a ton of faith in Parliamentary committees. Thing is, they primarily do two things: they study proposed legislation and report on proposed changes, and they study issues and report on those issues generally, with non-binding recommendations. Are reports what we require right now?

Now, I’ll give you part marks because they will have to consider Bill C2 which among many other things creates some new powers for police to gather evidence. It promises to be contentious and will take some committee work- but while I like what I see in the bill, there are no silver bullets.

The law around bail as it presently exists allows for a lot more than is currently done. And on that…

The crime in Canada is let’s be frank, is ridiculous. No pawning this one off on provinces, courts, etc.

No, sorry, you don’t get to just hand wave away the reality that the courts are a massive part of it, and that the provinces carry much (most) of this.

Bail is heard in provincial courts with provincially appointed Justices of the Peace, or very occasionally a judge for a bail review. Remand custody happens in provincial jails. The former frequently cite the overcrowding and terrible conditions of the latter as a reason to release on bail.

Crimes that are prosecuted summarily, which is most of them, are tried in lower level provincial courts. These courts are horribly backlogged and now routinely double or even triple book judges and court rooms. This causes significant delays in trials, resulting in lots of cases being dismissed per Jordan. It also means that crowns are heavily pressured to make sweetheart deals to keep matters out of court.

Any significant improvement in our criminal justice system needs to start in the provincial courts and provincial jails. Neither is something that will take Parliament legislating. I suppose a Parliamentary committee could do a study and write a report saying what I just said but that would just be repeating what everyone working in the system knows anyway.

Let’s look at the Trump handling, those decisions should be before parliament. At the very least it puts pressure on the LPC to do much better.

What decisions should be ‘before Parliament’, and how? Are you proposing that we sudddenly start involving the legislature in privileged trade discussions? That’s absurd. It would utterly gum up any efforts to make meaningful progress. Foreign relations are an executive function until and unless we need to legislate ratification of a treaty.

Recognizing Palestine as a state? A parliamentary vote

Not required, again that’s an executive function, but even if I conceded Parliament should do that, that’s not an over the summer problem. It hasn’t happened yet and won’t in the next few weeks.

Further aid/possible troops on the ground in the Ukraine? Parliamentary vote

So Parliament votes on CAF deployments and foreign aid now? That would be new. No, again, an executive function.

Getting major energy projects moving with FN buy in? Parliamentary committees

Parliamentary committees don’t get energy projects moving. Ministries examine applications, rule on them, and then project partners get building. Consulting and negotiating with FNs isn’t a Parliamentary function. That would be certain ministers and their delegates, so again, the executive.

A couple days ago two B.C. First Nations signed an agreement with a transport company to purchase and expand a port in Stewart B.C. this sort of stuff is clearly capable of moving without Parliament taking up the matter.

2 First Nations form partnership to buy B.C. export terminal | Globalnews.ca

Two First Nations have joined with a transport company to purchase the Port of Stewart bulk terminal on the Portland Canal that separates British Columbia and Alaska.

globalnews.ca

Cost of food and housing? Parliamentary committees.

Again committees study and write reports. Is a lack of Parliamentary study the problem?

Parliamentary committees are nothing to laugh at, they get some major progress going.

They can play a key role in larger processes and their reports on narrow issues can inform future policy. I saw that firsthand as a witness to a Parliamentary committee studying and reporting on an issue with veterans; I followed the testimony, the report, the government’s reply… And then at the end it’s just a report that the government may or may not follow any of the recommendations of. Parliamentary committees do not on their own cause anything to happen. If you want to argue a specific piece of legislation that should have been an over the summer emergency, sure… You haven’t though.

At the end of the day, people will tire very quick of excuses and be looking to PM MC for real tangible results on Energy, economy, trade, crime, housing, cost of living. If PM MC plummets in the polls for 8-12 weeks, do you think the Bloc and the CPC will hesitate? Hell, you ALL think the NDP won't support a vote of non-confidence.

We are absolutely looking for tangible results on those things. Those of us who do so through a realistic lens recognizes that in most cases it takes a lot of time and work, and for some issues like trade and diplomacy, the other guy gets a say. There’s no magic fix to any of those, and certainly not one that comes about swiftly. Problems that are years or decades in the making take at a minimum months or years to build solutions to. Anyone winning the election that just happened and setting about on making major changes would have faced that reality.