Liberal Minority Government 2025 - ???

[ArmyRick]

While I am improving the mood around here, have a watch

 

[Czech_pivo]

While I am improving the mood around here, have a watch

I watched the entire press conference, not sure what you or this clip is trying to convey.
It was a solid press conference done by Carney, full stop.
I see him as knocking the cover off the ball on Sunday, Monday and today. Three countries in 3 days and 3 successes.
I’ve never been a fan of the Liberal party, ever, but I have been impressed with 3 people in that party over the last 30yrs - Paul Martin Jr, Anita Anad and Mark Carney.
If Churchill is approved for expansion and LNG shipping, are you going to give him credit, on here, for achieving that? Or, will you complain that it’s only 1 LNG facility at Churchill and not 3, in addition, why is there no oil terminal as well?
Just trumping to understand what he needs to make happen before you give credit when credit is due.

 

[Altair]

@Altair if your trying to get me in some sort of gotcha moment, stop wasting your time.

You bring up points, I respond to them. I'm not trying to do a gotcha moment. I mean, you can point out where you think I'm trying to do that, but I really don't think I am.

I fuck up. I get shit wrong. I read people wrong at times. I know when I have turned down the wrong street and need to back up. Or if my decision to rope a bull by myself turn out to be real foolhardy decision and end up in the hospital. I can admit when I screwed up or got it wrong.

And yet, I fully articulate where I think you're right about something.

However, I have been correct as many times as as I have been wrong. I don't get complacent and assume everything is exactly as I say it is. I watch closely, I listen to ALL sides of a story or debate. I look for facts not fiction nor fantasy. I believe in the motto from Dwyer hill "Facta non verba" (No, I never served there), its brilliant and sums up real action and real results.

And again, when you make a good point, I don't argue you out of spite. I like to think I also listen to all sides of a story or debate. Your points on crime, for example, I agreed.

Now to make a few of you choke up. Pierre Poilievre is still the best choice to lead Canada, having reflected on it for the last 3 months or so. Everything he says, still stands true. I listen to very long winded explanations on why its not really the Liberals fault, or Mark Carney not to blame or just give him time. Yeah, enough. Carney needs to eat his words or pull a miracle rabbit out of the hat NOW.

If your expectations of a PM is to do miracles 4 months after an election, I understand why you're disappointed.

That said, PMMC is just a man. No matter how fast he moves the reality is some things take time, takes planning, takes patience.

And I'm no fan of PP, but even I would give him a year, year and a half before judging him on the entirety of his record. Enough time for a budget, and money from the budget to start flowing out to priorities.

 

[CBH99]

I was very wrong about the Liberals paying the price.

We all were, not just you

 

[CBH99]

If you only drive your Corolla 13 years you're doing it wrong

I had a little Corolla for YEARS that died on me last year (like dead dead, was no reviving it)

Those cars will last forever with just some healthy preventative maintenance



(A good friend of mine was looking for the plug in when it was like -40'C one morning, and popped the hood while looking for it. Problem was it was so cold outside the hood didn't latch properly - I found this out going about 100km/h on the Anthony Henday highway when the hood flew up and smashed the windshield so hard it dented all along the top windshield!)

 

[MilEME09]

Well this gave me a chuckle, Poilievre tried throwing shade on today's agreement with Germany, their ambassador wasn't having any of his BS.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1960516762673537088

 

[Quirky]

More talk and no action from carney and PP called him out. Photo ops, press conferences and speeches, the status quo liberal party SOP.

 

[Czech_pivo]

More talk and no action from carney and PP called him out. Photo ops, press conferences and speeches, the status quo liberal party SOP.

And in return the German Ambassador called out PP. Pretty telling in my opinion.

 

[Remius]

And in return the German Ambassador called out PP. Pretty telling in my opinion.

Imagine if this guy was PM…

 

[ArmyRick]

If your expectations of a PM is to do miracles 4 months after an election, I understand why you're disappointed.

That said, PMMC is just a man. No matter how fast he moves the reality is some things take time, takes planning, takes patience.

When Trudeau drove this car into the ditch, I expect Carney (I will admit, is very capable) to do miracles. He all but promised them during his election campaign.

 

[suffolkowner]

And one final gripe. PM MC had the opportunity to reverse the unrealistic and absolutely stupid no more ICE vehicles by 2035 mandate, starting in 2026. He should have or at least pushed it back.

The auto industry is fighting him on this. This could be yet another achilles heel for Uncle Mark

if the north american auto industry cant make a PHEV that can do 80km on battery for light passenger vehicles by another 10 yrs they dont deserve to be in business. We are already giving them a big boost by effectively banning Chinese EVs

 

[Altair]

When Trudeau drove this car into the ditch, I expect Carney (I will admit, is very capable) to do miracles. He all but promised them during his election campaign.

Every politician promises miracles during an election campaign. Hell, I remember someone promising to end the Ukraine Russia war in 24 hours after becoming president and releasing some files.

5,250 hours later...

That all said, we have lumber heading to Asia, aluminium heading to Europe, military getting the pay raise they deserve, subs being lined up, and despite everything the economy isn't in freefall.

For 4 months on the job,post election, I don't think he's been terrible, but it's clear we have differing expectations.

 

[brihard]

Number #1 thing is crime and justice. Canadians on both side of the political leanings are extremely pissed. MP Larry Brock of the CPC (former crown prosecutor) has an excellent bill to propose for bail reform, get the committees spun up, get some movement on this fast. I am sure there are other aspects of bail, crime, etc that need some stick handling. A sitting parliament with committees going would be much quicker.

You have a ton of faith in Parliamentary committees. Thing is, they primarily do two things: they study proposed legislation and report on proposed changes, and they study issues and report on those issues generally, with non-binding recommendations. Are reports what we require right now?

Now, I’ll give you part marks because they will have to consider Bill C2 which among many other things creates some new powers for police to gather evidence. It promises to be contentious and will take some committee work- but while I like what I see in the bill, there are no silver bullets.

The law around bail as it presently exists allows for a lot more than is currently done. And on that…

The crime in Canada is let’s be frank, is ridiculous. No pawning this one off on provinces, courts, etc.

No, sorry, you don’t get to just hand wave away the reality that the courts are a massive part of it, and that the provinces carry much (most) of this.

Bail is heard in provincial courts with provincially appointed Justices of the Peace, or very occasionally a judge for a bail review. Remand custody happens in provincial jails. The former frequently cite the overcrowding and terrible conditions of the latter as a reason to release on bail.

Crimes that are prosecuted summarily, which is most of them, are tried in lower level provincial courts. These courts are horribly backlogged and now routinely double or even triple book judges and court rooms. This causes significant delays in trials, resulting in lots of cases being dismissed per Jordan. It also means that crowns are heavily pressured to make sweetheart deals to keep matters out of court.

Any significant improvement in our criminal justice system needs to start in the provincial courts and provincial jails. Neither is something that will take Parliament legislating. I suppose a Parliamentary committee could do a study and write a report saying what I just said but that would just be repeating what everyone working in the system knows anyway.

Let’s look at the Trump handling, those decisions should be before parliament. At the very least it puts pressure on the LPC to do much better.

What decisions should be ‘before Parliament’, and how? Are you proposing that we sudddenly start involving the legislature in privileged trade discussions? That’s absurd. It would utterly gum up any efforts to make meaningful progress. Foreign relations are an executive function until and unless we need to legislate ratification of a treaty.

Recognizing Palestine as a state? A parliamentary vote

Not required, again that’s an executive function, but even if I conceded Parliament should do that, that’s not an over the summer problem. It hasn’t happened yet and won’t in the next few weeks.

Further aid/possible troops on the ground in the Ukraine? Parliamentary vote

So Parliament votes on CAF deployments and foreign aid now? That would be new. No, again, an executive function.

Getting major energy projects moving with FN buy in? Parliamentary committees

Parliamentary committees don’t get energy projects moving. Ministries examine applications, rule on them, and then project partners get building. Consulting and negotiating with FNs isn’t a Parliamentary function. That would be certain ministers and their delegates, so again, the executive.

A couple days ago two B.C. First Nations signed an agreement with a transport company to purchase and expand a port in Stewart B.C. this sort of stuff is clearly capable of moving without Parliament taking up the matter.

2 First Nations form partnership to buy B.C. export terminal | Globalnews.ca

Two First Nations have joined with a transport company to purchase the Port of Stewart bulk terminal on the Portland Canal that separates British Columbia and Alaska.

globalnews.ca

Cost of food and housing? Parliamentary committees.

Again committees study and write reports. Is a lack of Parliamentary study the problem?

Parliamentary committees are nothing to laugh at, they get some major progress going.

They can play a key role in larger processes and their reports on narrow issues can inform future policy. I saw that firsthand as a witness to a Parliamentary committee studying and reporting on an issue with veterans; I followed the testimony, the report, the government’s reply… And then at the end it’s just a report that the government may or may not follow any of the recommendations of. Parliamentary committees do not on their own cause anything to happen. If you want to argue a specific piece of legislation that should have been an over the summer emergency, sure… You haven’t though.

At the end of the day, people will tire very quick of excuses and be looking to PM MC for real tangible results on Energy, economy, trade, crime, housing, cost of living. If PM MC plummets in the polls for 8-12 weeks, do you think the Bloc and the CPC will hesitate? Hell, you ALL think the NDP won't support a vote of non-confidence.

We are absolutely looking for tangible results on those things. Those of us who do so through a realistic lens recognizes that in most cases it takes a lot of time and work, and for some issues like trade and diplomacy, the other guy gets a say. There’s no magic fix to any of those, and certainly not one that comes about swiftly. Problems that are years or decades in the making take at a minimum months or years to build solutions to. Anyone winning the election that just happened and setting about on making major changes would have faced that reality.

 

[Lumber]

The world doesn't take Canada seriously because we don't take ourselves seriously.

I'll admit that "international reputation" isn't the same thing as whether or not we are "taken seriously", but there certainly are overlaps. What really irks me is the constant blathering from those on the right in Canada (not specifically you, Rick, but this comment echoes it) claiming that Canada is seen as a "joke" and a "failing country" within the international community.

Evidence (meaning actual international opinion) would say otherwise:

#1 Reputation (tied with Switzerland) - RepCor Nations 2025 (RepCore Nations 2025 Ranking: Switzerland Leads, USA Drops)
#1 Country with the best international reputation - Reptrak report 2025 shown on World Atlas (Most Loved Countries In The World)
#4 Best country in the world - U.S. News 2024 rankings (https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/rankings)
#4 Best country in the world - World Population Review 2025 (https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/best-countries)

 

[ArmyRick]

Results matter guys. Lets see what happens by Xmas.

First maybe real win for Carney is this deal(s) with Germany for critical minerals (please, please get the ring of fire open, Ford) and subs from Germany? I am no sub guy but Germany makes good stuff.

 

[Halifax Tar]

And in return the German Ambassador called out PP. Pretty telling in my opinion.

I don't know maybe the Germans are really good at making announcements too ?

 

[Czech_pivo]

I don't know maybe the Germans are really good at making announcements too ?

The Germans are known for understating things - no embellishments, no hyperbole, little to no emotion - just the dry facts.

 

[ArmyRick]

Thing is, they primarily do two things: they study proposed legislation and report on proposed changes, and they study issues and report on those issues generally, with non-binding recommendations.

My understanding is that bill C5 was fine tuned by Liberals and Conservatives to get a much more passable bill. Although I still have a lot of confusion about that particular bill.

Not required, again that’s an executive function, but even if I conceded Parliament should do that, that’s not an over the summer problem. I

In 2024, this was voted on (Palestine statehood recognition) and turned down. So come again? How is this not required? Also, I agree its not easily solved over summer but Uncle Mark stated Canada would recognize Palestine as a state. This summer he said it.

So Parliament votes on CAF deployments and foreign aid now? That would be new. No, again, an executive function.

Point well taken. HOWEVER, there is optics on a situation like this. The public view could turn very sour if PM MC acts on big missions (lets face it, if a Ukraine security mission is implemented post-war, its gonna be a big deal) without parliamentary involvement. Could, not for sure.

When Does Parliament Get to Vote on Military Deployments? – Centre for International Policy Studies

Canada's leading centre for analysis and debate of international affairs.

www.cips-cepi.ca

"Legally, the executive can deploy the Canadian Forces (CF) without consulting Parliament. The legal authority to deploy the armed forces is sourced in a royal prerogative, powers that the Crown possesses independently of parliamentary statute and that are exercised on ministerial advice. Parliament has never sought to appropriate the military deployment prerogative, nor has it been curtailed by an act of Parliament. It remains a discretionary authority that belongs solely with the executive."

Is a lack of Parliamentary study the problem?

In the last parliament, there were numerous occasions were parliamentary committees would go totally sideways with an abuse of "point of order" pauses (Iqra Khalid was terrible for this), childish outburst (Nathaniel Erskine-Smith openly swore at the conservatives in committee) and downright stall tactics (Many of the STDC and arrivescam studies kept getting meetings halted early by Liberal-NDP votes whenever some uncomfortable facts came up).

The parliamentary committee on the status for women turned into an absolute shitshow when Katelyn Alexander (domestic abuse victim who nearly died), was cut off during her testimony by Liberal MP Anita Vandenbelde (she pushed a motion to change the committee discussion to abortion in the MIDDLE of Kate's testimony on a point of order), Anita later apoligized for her disgraceful behaviour.

Now that the NDP is out of play (if they are on committee, its purely a courtesy as they don't have party status now), the Conservatives and Bloc can keep the Liberals feet to the fire.

No, sorry, you don’t get to just hand wave away the reality that the courts are a massive part of it,

What about the bill that pretty much forces them to release accused on bail? I forget the name of the bill, it gets brought up over and over again. You obviously have first hand experience with this, so fill me in (not with OC spray either), the bail bill that allows repeat offenders out over and over again to keep committing crimes, not federal government legislation? The police chiefs (of Ontario I think it was) were even up in arms about this last year or during the election.

Now, I’ll give you part marks

Yay. So I only get half a gold star on my homework?

 

[ArmyRick]

The Germans are known for understating things - no embellishments, no hyperbole, little to no emotion - just the dry facts.

The Germans also suffered a massive green energy boondoggle that cost the nation huge and they are forced to reopen coal plants.

Before you generalize, remember the Germans fuck up too.

 

[foresterab]

welcome to a sure fire way that this project will get stopped by a court, no public consultations for a new proposed coal mine in alberta.

Joint News Release: AER CEO claims unprecedented power to cancel public hearing for coal mine - Alberta Wilderness Association

On August 21, 2025, the CEO of the Alberta Energy Regulator (AER) cancelled the public hearing for Mine 14, an underground metallurgical coal mine near Grande Cache, proposed by Summit Coal Inc.

albertawilderness.ca

The worst part is that mine has been proposed for 25? plus years....its underground so doesn't have the same selinium leaching issues the open pit mines have and doesn't visually change the landscape the the same degree.

Oh and the town is screaming for any work as the mines have been up/down/up/down...and been down for a while. Great scenery but isolated with few services.

Also an excellent jail location...wait..one already there.

But I don't see the need to cancel hearings when it's probably the least controversial mine I've heard of in Alberta in the last 20 years...