Liberal Minority Government 2025 - ???

[Lumber]

What would you like him to do, by way of deliverables, from the opposition benches ?

Win the election, for starters.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Win the election, for starters.

You wanted PP to win the last election ?

 

[Quirky]

If Canadians don’t want change, they won’t vote for it, regardless who’s in charge of the party.

 

[IKnowNothing]

What would you like him to do, by way of deliverables, from the opposition benches ?

Retrospectively:

A- position the CPC as the better option than the NDP to work with, work across the aisle to beneficially impact policy and the governance of the country
B- effectively politic to bring down the LPC when they were weak rather force them to remove the source of their weakness and go on to lose

It looks like he's at least paying lipservice to A this time around, but his approach to 2022-24 failed at both.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Retrospectively:

A- position the CPC as the better option than the NDP to work with, work across the aisle to beneficially impact policy and the governance of the country
B- effectively politic to bring down the LPC when they were weak rather force them to remove the source of their weakness and go on to lose

It looks like he's at least paying lipservice to A this time around, but his approach to 2022-24 failed at both.

Its a strange world we live in. Ol'47 scared a bunch a boomers into voting for an international banker, with a questionable track record, who was now leading the LPC. Then after a decade of out maneuvering the NDP on the left, the LPC now under that leadership has gone hard to starboard and is using the platform of the CPC.

I am left wondering what the LPC actually stands for and what its principals are. It seems to me to be a party of populism and based more on winning elections at all costs than actually governing.

But hey if the LPC does well that probably means Canada is doing well, so I hope the succeed and I start seeing prices go down and more money in my pocket.

 

[MilEME09]

I am left wondering what the LPC actually stands for and what its principals are. It seems to me to be a party of populism and based more on winning elections at all costs than actually governing.

But hey is the LPC does well that probably means Canada is doing well, so I hope the succeed and I start seeing prices go down and more money in my pocket.

I see it more of the LPC going back to where it traditionally has been, the center, and depending on issue bouncing left and right of that line.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Win the election, for starters.

You voted for Poilievre and want him to be prime minister?

 

[Halifax Tar]

I see it more of the LPC going back to where it traditionally has been, the center, and depending on issue bouncing left and right of that line.

So the CPC and its policies, that the LPC is taking, are a centrist party ? And not the far right like some would lead us to believe ?

 

[Remius]

So the CPC and its policies, that the LPC is taking, are a centrist party ? And not the far right like some would lead us to believe ?

not all of it. Far right is an exaggeration but certainly right wing populism was their schtick.

It’s a question of believing who could actually deliver.

 

[Remius]

Its a strange world we live in. Ol'47 scared a bunch a boomers into voting for an international banker, with a questionable track record, who was now leading the LPC. Then after a decade of out maneuvering the NDP on the left, the LPC now under that leadership has gone hard to starboard and is using the platform of the CPC.

Being able to pivot and read room seems to be a quality they have. The CPC effed that up spectacularly.

I am left wondering what the LPC actually stands for and what its principals are. It seems to me to be a party of populism and based more on winning elections at all costs than actually governing.

Again, as I mentioned in another thread, what you think populism is in not actually the definition.

But hey if the LPC does well that probably means Canada is doing well, so I hope the succeed and I start seeing prices go down and more money in my pocket.

I’m quite happy with the direction so far. Time will tell.

 

[Halifax Tar]

not all of it. Far right is an exaggeration but certainly right wing populism was their schtick.

It’s a question of believing who could actually deliver.

I'm confused. The CPC is right wing populist, but the LPC isn't. But the LPC is using CPC policies, but they aren't populist.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Being able to pivot and read room seems to be a quality they have. The CPC effed that up spectacularly.

Again, as I mentioned in another thread, what you think populism is in not actually the definition.

I’m quite happy with the direction so far. Time will tell.

Pivoting and turning your back on signature policies and directions are two very different things.

Like is aid up thread, if this continued LPC party does well that means Canada does well.

 

[CBH99]

I dunno man. This government is not at all looking like the last government. I read some of his announcements and wonder if a secret cabal of conservatives didn't pull a fast one and get a closet conservative elected as leader of the LPC.

Or the policies of the Trudeau government were so far to the batshit crazy left that Carney's stance on some issues just seems Conservative in comparison...

Let's hope this government ends up being a totally different beast altogether. And given their minority status, they should be

 

[Remius]

I'm confused. The CPC is right wing populist, but the LPC isn't. But the LPC is using CPC policies, but they aren't populist.

Go read up on what populism is. It is very anti establishment.

Firing the bank of Canada governor.
Stopping all foreign aid
Ending all TFW
Making Crypto the solution to inflation
Using simple speak in government
Can only create one new initiative by cancelling two
Ban all future vaccine mandates
Defund the CBC

Couple that with how awesome his base thought they were by essentially ignoring the media.

Just a few examples.

All meat for the base but they are superficial and quite likely terrible policies without any real thought to the consequences.

It all works well when another less popular populist is opposite you but terrible when your opponent actually has a grasp of the issues and takes a pragmatic approach.

 

[MilEME09]

Or the policies of the Trudeau government were so far to the batshit crazy left that Carney's stance on some issues just seems Conservative in comparison...

Let's hope this government ends up being a totally different beast altogether. And given their minority status, they should be

given the host of announcements and rumors of much of the old guard like bill blair getting diplomatic postings, it seems like the remaining old guard are being shown the door.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Its a strange world we live in. Ol'47 scared a bunch a boomers into voting for an international banker, with a questionable track record, who was now leading the LPC. Then after a decade of out maneuvering the NDP on the left, the LPC now under that leadership has gone hard to starboard and is using the platform of the CPC.

I am left wondering what the LPC actually stands for and what its principals are. It seems to me to be a party of populism and based more on winning elections at all costs than actually governing.

But hey if the LPC does well that probably means Canada is doing well, so I hope the succeed and I start seeing prices go down and more money in my pocket.

You don't want to see prices go down. Stable, with a slight movement upwards is good.

What you really want is your wages to go up at a modest to moderate pace, coupled with a rising labour participation rate creeping back at about 67.5 - 68.2%. Its sitting at around 65% right now, maybe a smidge below. The higher the number the better the overall economy is. We get labour participation back around 66.8 - 67.6% or higher - and tax revenue will be significantly higher, consumption will rise, productivity increases and everyone overall is much better off.

 

[Navy_Pete]

If Canadians don’t want change, they won’t vote for it, regardless who’s in charge of the party.

People who wanted change still didn't want PP in charge.

 

[Jarnhamar]

I'm confused. The CPC is right wing populist, but the LPC isn't. But the LPC is using CPC policies, but they aren't populist.

It's like how Jimmy Kimmel can make jokes about calling ICE on people and get away with it. It's just different.

 

[Furniture]

Retrospectively:

A- position the CPC as the better option than the NDP to work with, work across the aisle to beneficially impact policy and the governance of the country
B- effectively politic to bring down the LPC when they were weak rather force them to remove the source of their weakness and go on to lose

It looks like he's at least paying lipservice to A this time around, but his approach to 2022-24 failed at both.

So for option A, try to out NDP the NDP like the LPC did? Not very conservative... They would bleed their entire base to the LPC or some other new party if they tried that.

The CPC did effectively politic to bring down the LPC, and the NDP were too dumb to take advantage of it. The NDP "leadership" just wanted to hang onto their jammy jobs a few months longer. The NDP are now very firmly in the FO phase of things, and are likely to go back to being a nothing fringe party akin to the Greens and the PPC.

You're blaming the CPC for fumbling, when events south of the border, and a a complete direction change by the LPC conspired to make their job 10x harder.

Could the CPC have done better? Yes. Did they completely screw up? No. Canadians wanted "change" and they wanted stability at the same time, Carney was the "safe" bet to achieve that.