Liberal Minority Government 2025 - ???

[Jarnhamar]

Quebec is second.

Oops. I was going off per capita.

Plans to spend $750m.
($2b plus if he was going to choose to be ethical about compensation)
Loss of jobs
Loss of businesses
Loss of manufacturing
Loss of a popular sport

All to shut Quebec; when in truth it's tape over their mouth they'll shout through soon enough.

Being a bick dick banker doesn't mean you automatically do what's best.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Being a bick dick banker doesn't mean you automatically do what's best.

No, but you might be able to make alot more deposits in your life than an average dick banker......

 

[Altair]

Oops. I was going off per capita.

Plans to spend $750m.
($2b plus if he was going to choose to be ethical about compensation)
Loss of jobs
Loss of businesses
Loss of manufacturing
Loss of a popular sport

All to shut Quebec; when in truth it's tape over their mouth they'll shout through soon enough.

Being a bick dick banker doesn't mean you automatically do what's best.

Turns out....if you shut up and appease the second largest province in Canada in terms of population...you win elections.

Sure, you can win without Quebec, but the last person to do so was Harper. Mulroney won pretty easily when he won Quebec.

Maybe there is a lesson here.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Turns out....if you shut up and appease the second largest province in Canada in terms of population...you win elections.

Sure, you can win without Quebec, but the last person to do so was Harper. Mulroney won pretty easily when he won Quebec.

Maybe there is a lesson here.

Carney won because he was "the only one who could stand up to Trump". Turns out standing up to Trump means getting pushed in the corner and continuously hit in the face lol

I guarantee Quebec will be crying about another issue in 3.5 years that will need appeasement for the Liberals to hold on to power.

Edit: OOps. Looks like the gun amnesty is extended year #6. Maybe we'll see banning guns on Carney's next electoral platform for Quebec to cry about eh?

 

[ArmyRick]

ArmyRick, I do understand your argument because under our current Parliamentary system this is really how it works......But this thinking is like some of the examples that have occurred in the US, please read article below, where the voters were so pigheaded in their voting only for party X and not party Y has lead to dead people actually being elected.

Its the same approach to me. I will never vote for Party X because I hate their leader or their platform, even though my local candidate is actually dead or a convicted felon or a use tool. It defies logic to vote like this.

Full list of dead people who won their elections on Tuesday

The dead win elections more often than you think.

www.newsweek.com

"ArmyRick, I do understand your argument because under our current Parliamentary system this is really how it works."

That was my point. Thats reality. I really didn't want to be the asshole but you said it in your line there. I am not trying to be condescending at all.

I am very familiar with how elections Canada validates candidates (thanks to the parliamentary committee hearings on the Longest Ballot committee), it would be near impossible to have that happen in Canada (having a dead person run as MP) do the Canadian MP candidate validation process (there are several steps)

The Canadian system is quite different than the American system. You can vote a Democratic senator and also vote for a republican president.

We all know, the only way a prime minister is selected is FPTP winning party (majority or minority), end story. Our PM is selected by choosing a party, unless the party leader is one of the candidates in your riding and then you can directly vote for the PM.

Many people here got quite pissed and tested by my statements (or maybe you perceived arrogance?), however one, we need to discuss politics OPENLY and all of it (enough of the echo chambering), the more dialogue, the more views are heard. I really don't care who hates me or sticks pins into an armyrick doll. I have changed my opinions and views many times, make a better argument if you think you change my mind.

 

[Navy_Pete]

I guess I’m a lesbian then…

For a bit of context, we are friends with a number of same sex couples, who I think all drive Subarus, so thought it might be specific to that, but then googled it and it's a whole pop culture thing I was oblivious to (which is a long list I think).

I think there are 6 Subaru owners in the section of 18 people I'm in now, they are just good car, but thought the background of it was pretty funny, and the ads from back in the day weren't subtle about it either.

Edit; didn't look closely at the linked story, didn't realize it was adblocked. This is a better one, but there is also a good 20 minute podcast on NPR. Weird bit of recent history.

Subarus and lesbians: the story behind the love affair - The Car Pit



https://www.npr.org/2022/06/29/1108739853/when-subaru-came-out-classic

 

[Czech_pivo]

"ArmyRick, I do understand your argument because under our current Parliamentary system this is really how it works."

That was my point. Thats reality. I really didn't want to be the asshole but you said it in your line there. I am not trying to be condescending at all.

I am very familiar with how elections Canada validates candidates (thanks to the parliamentary committee hearings on the Longest Ballot committee), it would be near impossible to have that happen in Canada (having a dead person run as MP) do the Canadian MP candidate validation process (there are several steps)

The Canadian system is quite different than the American system. You can vote a Democratic senator and also vote for a republican president.

We all know, the only way a prime minister is selected is FPTP winning party (majority or minority), end story. Our PM is selected by choosing a party, unless the party leader is one of the candidates in your riding and then you can directly vote for the PM.

Many people here got quite pissed and tested by my statements (or maybe you perceived arrogance?), however one, we need to discuss politics OPENLY and all of it (enough of the echo chambering), the more dialogue, the more views are heard. I really don't care who hates me or sticks pins into an armyrick doll. I have changed my opinions and views many times, make a better argument if you think you change my mind.

Not looking to change your mind or anyone's mind, I don't have enough patience or gray matter to try.

What I personally just don't like is blind allegiance to any one party or individual. I don't believe that sort of dogma ever ends up in a good way - whether its religion, politics, business, sports (lol), whatever, it leads to faults being accepted, laws being broken and people being hurt.
I guess my times many years in the past standing at the remains of the crematorium at Auschwitz-Birkenau or the remains of Treblinka or the beauty that is the fortress of Theresienstadt but realizing that in reality it was a place of utter horror, at Dachau, at Sobibor and knowing that it was blind faith, blind belief in one political party/leader lead to all this makes me question that sort of dogma when I hear it today.

Respect.

 

[Lumber]

Carney won because he was "the only one who could stand up to Trump". Turns out standing up to Trump means getting pushed in the corner and continuously hit in the face lol

I guarantee Quebec will be crying about another issue in 3.5 years that will need appeasement for the Liberals to hold on to power.

Edit: OOps. Looks like the gun amnesty is extended year #6. Maybe we'll see banning guns on Carney's next electoral platform for Quebec to cry about eh?

Better to stand proudly in the corner taking a few licks that to get on your knees and... nvm I don't need another warning...

 

[Jarnhamar]

Better to stand proudly in the corner taking a few licks that to get on your knees and... nvm I don't need another warning...

What's even better than getting beaten up after bragging about winning is being in the actual winners corner cheering them on.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Trying to negotiate with the dealer was a waste of time; they sell them faster then they can stock them, which is I guess a good sign.

My wifes Ford Escape finally gave up the host last year and she wanted to try the Honda CRV. I went with, she's a good woman; but sales people see her coming miles away.

Honda offered a terribly high interest rate on an already expensive car and zero stock. Would be at least 6 months before the car would arrive.

So I talked her into going to see my guy at Fairley Stevens Ford. He put her in a baby bronco for a fraction of the cost of the Honda and she drove it home a coupl days later. And about 7 interest points lower than Honda.

 

[The Bread Guy]

Carney won because he was "the only one who could stand up to Trump" and people didn't like the obvious alternative as PM in spite of though polling was strong for the Conservatives for 2 years after PP got the leader's job right up until PMJT exited left.

FTFY

Meanwhile, fighting words from the guy running for his leadership job ....
"Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre took aim at the RCMP’s independence in a recent interview, calling the national police force’s "despicable" leadership and accusing it of covering up for the Liberal government and former prime minister Justin Trudeau. “If the RCMP had been doing its job and not covering up for him, then he would have been criminally charged,” the Opposition leader said in an interview posted to YouTube on Wednesday. Speaking to the YouTube channel Northern Perspective, Poilievre said Trudeau broke the law when he took a free vacation, a reference to the 2016 Aga Khan scandal ...."

Here's the interview with a Blue-friendly podcaster - 27:30 in is when the question gets asked and answered (including saying PMJT "Trudeau broke the Criminal Code when he took a free vacation from someone with whom he had government business. It's right there in the Criminal Code.")...

 

[Navy_Pete]

My wifes Ford Escape finally gave up the host last year and she wanted to try the Honda CRV. I went with, she's a good woman; but sales people see her coming miles away.

Honda offered a terribly high interest rate on an already expensive car and zero stock. Would be at least 6 months before the car would arrive.

So I talked her into going to see my guy at Fairley Stevens Ford. He put her in a baby bronco for a fraction of the cost of the Honda and she drove it home a coupl days later. And about 7 interest points lower than Honda.

I looked at the HRV, I wasn't really impressed by the car itself at that pricepoint or the financing. Hopefully she's liking the Bronco, a friend has one, seems like a fun car to drive.

Had good luck with Mazdas, so was looking at the CX5 and CX30, as well as the Passat, but then I swang by Subaru on a recommendation from one of the guys from work, took the crosstrek for a spin and everything just kind of felt 'right', and the loaded model was less then models of others I was looking at. Everything is where you kind of expect it, with actual buttons and dials for most things (except the climate control details, but got used to that).

One thing with traveling more and getting rental vehicles is I've gotten to try out a lot of N. American made cars, and haven't returned one yet thinking 'I'd buy that'. Some have digitized so much the actual interface is way more complicated then it needs to be, others have genius things like the stupid dial to change drive modes, (right on the same spot on the console that every one else has had a dial for navigating the entertainment console in the non-touch screen era) and just generally has things in non-intuitive spots, combined with pretty sloppy performance, so really unimpressive.

Everyone I know that had jobs in the auto sector has been laid off over the years (and some were screwed around a lot), so there really isn't any 'buy Canadian car' loyalty left, especially when you have other alternatives that are consistently safer, better made and cost the same or less.

 

[dapaterson]

Buying a Honda or Toyota assembled in Ontario is as much Buying Canadian as buying a US or European brand assembled in Ontario.

There are no Canadian carmakers any more.

 

[Jarnhamar]

FTFY

I appreciate that, thanks.

“If the RCMP had been doing its job and not covering up for him, then he would have been criminally charged,”

I always get the scandals mixed up. Was that the one where the RCMP asked for information and the LPC said lol fuck off, or was that the one where the RCMP just decided not to investigate the allegations and speak with Trudeau?

 

[dapaterson]

I appreciate that, thanks.

I always get the scandals mixed up. Was that the one where the RCMP asked for information and the LPC said lol fuck off, or was that the one where the RCMP just decided not to investigate the allegations and speak with Trudeau?

Name me a single police force or police officer who reports, investigates, and lays charges for every offense they witness or are informed of.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Name me a single police force or police officer who reports, investigates, and lays charges for every offense they witness or are informed of.

Judge Dredd, and the Royal Newfoundland Constabulary.


So I was curious and looked. It was actually the SNC Lavalin scandal.

I'd offer there's a difference between a city cop not investigating an obviously frivolous complaint from a serial conplainer, and a complaint filed by our attorney generals office.

Let's look at the complaint. The attorney General of Canada accused the Prime Minister of pressuring the AG office to intervene and offer SNC-Lavalin a remediation agreement (similar to deferred prosecution) to avoid criminal prosecution.

What the RCMP Did:

At various points, the RCMP “examined” and “assessed” evidence related to the allegations of interference.

The RCMP interviewed some people: Wilson-Raybould herself (complaintant?), her chief of staff, her former deputy minister, and former minister Jane Philpott (witnesses).

What the RCMP Did Not Do

Interview the actual subject - Justin Trudeau.

Commissioners testified at committees that no attempt was even made to get an interview with him.

The RCMP never considered prosecuting Trudeau for breach of trust, despite some internal legal opinions that support that such a charge could be possible.

They did not seek certain key documents (e.g. some Cabinet or PMO‐internal communications) through court process (warrants), even though those were known to exist and potentially relevant.


The RCMP formally concluded the file, stating that after a “comprehensive and impartial assessment” of all available information, there was insufficient evidence to substantiate a criminal offence.

Of course it was insufficient, they didn't interview the actual subject of the investigation or collect key evidence.

[The Ethics Commissioner later found that Trudeau violated the Conflict of Interest Act by improperly pressuring Wilson-Raybould]

The crown rests

 

[JLB50]

Buying a Honda or Toyota assembled in Ontario is as much Buying Canadian as buying a US or European brand assembled in Ontario.

There are no Canadian carmakers any more.

A decade or so ago, I took a limo from my home just outside Toronto to the Airport. As we drove past the Ford plant in Oakville, the driver, a rather friendly guy, remarked about how sad it was that Ford, GM and Chrysler are no longer really in the car manufacturing business. I remarked something to the effect of “Well, looking at all the workers’ cars there at the Ford plant, you sure could have fooled me.” He replied that, yes, vehicles were being made. But then he said, “What the North American car companies really want to sell you are replacements for all the crappy parts that go into their crappy cars. He then went on to tell me about the horrible quality built into the particular model of Lincoln he was driving as well as other vehicles he had owned.

I’ve owned Toyotas, Nissans, Volkswagens and Subarus and they are nothing like the poor quality American cars I’ve owned in the past…a 1976 AMC Hornet (which Consumer Reports had recommended as a good car to own but turned out to be quite a vile thing in reality), a 1980 Olds Cutlass and, worst of all, my 1968 Chevy Camaro which was in the shop very frequently for major problems. Mind you, the first car I ever had was a 1962 Rambler American which I inherited from my dad in 1966 and was the first car I ever owned. It had a semiautomatic stick shift with no clutch pedal to depress (just shift) and front seats that folded pretty much flush with the back seat…great for taking dates to the drive-in movies. Ugly as hell but not a bad car. Anyway, I have no loyalty to American cars at all. So if the Big 3 car companies (or their parent companies) screw us here in Canada I say “F**k ‘em…they’re trash.”

 

[brihard]

Judge Dredd, and the Royal Newfoundland Constabulary.


So I was curious and looked. It was actually the SNC Lavalin scandal.

I'd offer there's a difference between a city cop not investigating an obviously frivolous complaint from a serial conplainer, and a complaint filed by our attorney generals office.

Let's look at the complaint. The attorney General of Canada accused the Prime Minister of pressuring the AG office to intervene and offer SNC-Lavalin a remediation agreement (similar to deferred prosecution) to avoid criminal prosecution.

What the RCMP Did:

At various points, the RCMP “examined” and “assessed” evidence related to the allegations of interference.

The RCMP interviewed some people: Wilson-Raybould herself (complaintant?), her chief of staff, her former deputy minister, and former minister Jane Philpott (witnesses).

What the RCMP Did Not Do

Interview the actual subject - Justin Trudeau.

Commissioners testified at committees that no attempt was even made to get an interview with him.

The RCMP never considered prosecuting Trudeau for breach of trust, despite some internal legal opinions that support that such a charge could be possible.

They did not seek certain key documents (e.g. some Cabinet or PMO‐internal communications) through court process (warrants), even though those were known to exist and potentially relevant.


The RCMP formally concluded the file, stating that after a “comprehensive and impartial assessment” of all available information, there was insufficient evidence to substantiate a criminal offence.

Of course it was insufficient, they didn't interview the actual subject of the investigation or collect key evidence.

[The Ethics Commissioner later found that Trudeau violated the Conflict of Interest Act by improperly pressuring Wilson-Raybould]

The crown rests

Just to speak to one small portion of that, and speaking in generalities- documents or data subject to federal cabinet confidence cannot be compelled by any means including by production order or search warrant. Section 39 of the Canada Evidence Act establishes an absolutely impervious privilege over this material. If in the course of examining evidence obtained by those or other means any information subject to cabinet confidence is encountered, that’s a situation where the investigation pauses review of that evidence immediately, slams the folder or laptop shut, and consults with the appropriate stakeholders to figure out a way forward.

I’m not wading into the larger subject there, but just wanted to note that cabinet confidence material is utterly out of investigative reach unless that confidence is waived. There is no other privilege in Canadian evidence law that’s as absolute.

 

[The Bread Guy]

I always get the scandals mixed up. Was that the one where the RCMP asked for information and the LPC said lol fuck off, or was that the one where the RCMP just decided not to investigate the allegations and speak with Trudeau?

Kinda hard to keep the scandals sorted, for sure, without a program

Based on PP's quote from the podcast interview ....

"Trudeau broke the Criminal Code when he took a free vacation from someone with whom he had government business. It's right there in the Criminal Code."

... sounds more like the Aga Khan shitshow, with the RCMP dropping the thing because the rules weren't clear - this from Macleans of the time (yellow highlights mine):

... RCMP documents from 2019 reveal the Mounties looked at whether they could charge Trudeau based on the findings in a report from the federal ethics commissioner, which concluded that Mr. Trudeau had violated four sections of the Conflict of Interest Act. Investigators believed there were “reasonable grounds” to think fraud may have been committed, but a lack of clarity in federal rules that apply to accepting gifts stood in the way.

The relevant section of the Criminal Code has a provision which allows officials to accept benefits if they have written consent from the head of their branch of government. RCMP Corporal Michael Kiperchuk said in a briefing note to his superiors that “an investigation and prosecution under this section may not be in the public interest if it cannot be definitely determined whether or not Mr. Trudeau can simply provide consent to himself.” ...

That bit in yellow is something a future Team Blue (or any colour, given the political will) government could tighten right up.

Wonder if PP becomes PM if he'll pull the old Aga Khan's honourary Canadian citizenship?

Meanwhile, Top Mountie's response to PP's comments: "I don't take orders from any political individuals."

 

[Altair]

Trudeau-dating Katy Perry.

Poilievre- ranting about Trudeau.

I mean, I guess it worked in 2024...