Liberal Minority Government 2025 - ???

[brihard]

There probably wasn't any credits but they still had some kind of video evidence suspecting him of hacking someone's head off prior to him being let into Canada. Yet they let him in anyways. Maybe we'll get to see how much horse power was put into that investigation before welcoming him in.

As for the system, Azizov and his family's refugee claim was rejected in 2018, and the Refugee Appeal Division upheld that decision after the Federal Court refused a review request in 2019.

Despite the refugee claim being found not credible they were granted PR status on humanitarian and compassionate grounds. Zero enforcement effort after failing refugee status.

I’ve seen absolutely nothing suggesting that video was connected to him by name prior to the later criminal investigation. If there had been police or intelligence holdings that he was involved that would have come up and he would have likely been gonged on a security certificate if not outright and immediately arrested and charged.

Maybe we should run every know terrorism video through facial recognition software and make that part of immigration screening. But I’ve got no reason to believe that currently is, or in the past has been done. Unless we actually had his name from somewhere it would just be another unknown face in an ISIS video.

 

[CBH99]

Your scenario ties the status of an MP to a tie to a particular party. As previously mentioned, political parties are not mentioned in the Constitution.

What if the opposite were occur: for whatever reason, the party kicks the member out of caucus. Would they cease to be an MP, since they no longer represent the party they ran under? That would be tantamount to the party overriding the democratic wishes of the electorate of the riding.

Hmmmmmmmmm, fair question. And one I'll have to ponder.

Thank You for asking it.

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Off the top of my head, in my oversimplified mind, it would depend on why the MP gets kicked out of the party.

If the MP gets kicked out of just the party, I would suggest they would most likely remain in parliament until the next election as an Independent.

They were elected by the people of that riding, after all.

If they wanted to remain in politics & saw themselves being able to do good through another party, they could run under that party's banner in the next election.


Is there any sort of realistic scenario where an MP could get kicked out of parliament altogether?

Because if that's the case then that riding would have to have a byelection.

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I am by no means an expert on constitutional law, and can't say I understand all of the intricacies of our political system - so in no way am I claiming I have the answer to any of these questions.

What I do know is that floor crossing seems pretty dishonest, to me, anyway...

It certainly doesn't honour the votes of the constituents, and it could possibly lead to a party forming a majority government that the citizenry didn't elect.

And that is the concern I have - and not just because of our current political situation.


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Brihard - sorry mate, I don't really understand your clarifying questions?

You suggested that I suggest a rule I would like to see implimented - and that rule is "No more floor crossings allowed!"

As oversimplified as that may be, or cause whatever issues it may cause, that's my suggested rule I'd like to see implimented.




(Sorry for not following up sooner - I loved your suggestion/idea! Christmas holidays have had me everywhere but home it seems!)

 

[Jarnhamar]

I’ve seen absolutely nothing suggesting that video was connected to him by name prior to the later criminal investigation. If there had been police or intelligence holdings that he was involved that would have come up and he would have likely been gonged on a security certificate if not outright and immediately arrested and charged.

That's fair. The wording of the Global news article suggested the video was known about before hand.
The Federation for Human Rights released this review and gives a good account of him.

If he's found guilty of chopping up that prisoner hopefully we can revoke his citizenship somehow.

 

[brihard]

That's fair. The wording of the Global news article suggested the video was known about before hand.
The Federation for Human Rights released this review and gives a good account of him.

If he's found guilty of chopping up that prisoner hopefully we can revoke his citizenship somehow.

We absolutely could. It would constitute misrepresentation in the immigration application. You have to answer honestly whether you’ve committed crimes against humanity or war crimes; I’m not joking.

I think it’s fantastic he’s charged with war crimes as well as the terrorism charge.

 

[Jarnhamar]

We absolutely could. It would constitute misrepresentation in the immigration application. You have to answer honestly whether you’ve committed crimes against humanity or war crimes; I’m not joking.

Bit of a rabbit hole. In that situation could they argue they were running away from persecution (or any sob story) and claim since they were fearing for their life asking that violates Section 11(c) of the CCRF (right not to be compelled to incriminate oneself) and possibly be considered coercive?

 

[Haggis]

Bit of a rabbit hole. In that situation could they argue they were running away from persecution (or any sob story) and claim since they were fearing for their life asking that violates Section 11(c) of the CCRF (right not to be compelled to incriminate oneself) and possibly be considered coercive?

Under IRPA 36(2)(c) the foreign national need not have been convicted of an offence. Video evidence of an alleged indictable offence where he is an identifiable participant should have been enough to render him inadmissible without any admission on his part that would offend s.11(c).

 

[lenaitch]

Is there any sort of realistic scenario where an MP could get kicked out of parliament altogether?

See attached, particularly under 'Expulsion'.

The House of Commons and Its Members - Vacancies in Representation

 

[brihard]

Bit of a rabbit hole. In that situation could they argue they were running away from persecution (or any sob story) and claim since they were fearing for their life asking that violates Section 11(c) of the CCRF (right not to be compelled to incriminate oneself) and possibly be considered coercive?

Administrative misrepresentation isn’t incrimination. Police could use that info to investigate and help crown prosecute, but would have to get it from IRCC by production order.

 

[Haggis]

Administrative misrepresentation isn’t incrimination. Police could use that info to investigate and help crown prosecute, but would have to get it from IRCC by production order.

No, but administrative misrepresentation is grounds for refused entry (IRPA 40(1)(a)).

 

[brihard]

No, but administrative misrepresentation is grounds for refused entry (IRPA 40(1)(a)).

Yup. Just answering Jarn’s question.

One way or another if you answer yes to war crimes, or answer no but get caught yes- bad day for you.