Liberal Minority Government 2025 - ???

[Maxman1]

Post in thread 'Liberal Minority Government 2025 - ???'

18 Nov 2025

Yeah so if they want faster, they need a new production line, combined with Global eye, we are talking 13,000 high to medium skill jobs in Canada not to mention a cut for the canadian government for any Gripen sales built in canada

Its going to a hard sale to turn down.

• Altair

Here ya go. looks like i talk about it for four days, enjoy

And their jobs claim is bullshit. They made the same promises to Brazil, who has a larger aerospace industry than us, Embraer, with more military experience, and they've had barely 300 jobs created. And Saab's global job number is only 26,000. There is no possibility they will create 10,000+ jobs here for a single limited-run contract.

And the Gripen still uses a lot of ITAR equipment that can be withheld by the US (do not bring up "the other engine", the EJ230 does not exist, Rolls Royce isn't developing it, and Saab has ruled out switching to a different engine). So if the goal is to avoid US involvement in the supply train,the Gripen fails at that, plus has a  colossal capability gap.

This has been discussed multiple times in the fighter jet thread.

Post in thread 'The RCAF's Next Generation Fighter (CF-188 Replacement)'

8 Jan 2026

Have you considered that it isn't "emotional", and that people accept that the RCAF would end up with a less capable aircraft, but Canada would be less dependant on a giant US defence company. One of the companies the current US administration is trying to take more control over...

We are already linked my ITAR on so many things that getting away from ITAR completely is not a realistic option, that doesn't mean we need to go full USAF and just buy what they buy.

I disagree, I've been following this specific procurement debacle for over a decade at this point and the...

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[Jarnhamar]

And their jobs claim is bullshit. They made the same promises to Brazil, who has a larger aerospace industry than us, Embraer, with more military experience, and they've had barely 300 jobs created. And Saab's global job number is only 26,000. There is no possibility they will create 10,000+ jobs here for a single limited-run contract.

And the Gripen still uses a lot of ITAR equipment that can be withheld by the US (do not bring up "the other engine", the EJ230 does not exist, Rolls Royce isn't developing it, and Saab has ruled out switching to a different engine). So if the goal is to avoid US involvement in the supply train,the Gripen fails at that, plus has a  colossal capability gap.

This has been discussed multiple times in the fighter jet thread.

Post in thread 'The RCAF's Next Generation Fighter (CF-188 Replacement)'

8 Jan 2026

Have you considered that it isn't "emotional", and that people accept that the RCAF would end up with a less capable aircraft, but Canada would be less dependant on a giant US defence company. One of the companies the current US administration is trying to take more control over...

We are already linked my ITAR on so many things that getting away from ITAR completely is not a realistic option, that doesn't mean we need to go full USAF and just buy what they buy.

I disagree, I've been following this specific procurement debacle for over a decade at this point and the...

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Canada can just make our own engine and reverse engineer all the US bits and pieces.

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

picking boutique, Canada-only orphan fleets has not worked for us in the past.

The Robertson screwdriver enters the chat.

 

[Halifax Tar]

The Robertson screwdriver enters the chat.

It's a much better design than Phillips, IMHO.

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

It's a much better design than Phillips, IMHO.

Absolutely!

What I was alluding to is the fact that during WWII, Canada elected to extensively use Robertson screws for its military equipment because "the Germans don't have the screwdrivers to re-use our materiel if it falls in their hands". The problem was our own allies didn't have them either, so they couldn't help us fixing our equipment.