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Liberal Minority Government 2025 - ???


Here ya go. looks like i talk about it for four days, enjoy
And their jobs claim is bullshit. They made the same promises to Brazil, who has a larger aerospace industry than us, Embraer, with more military experience, and they've had barely 300 jobs created. And Saab's global job number is only 26,000. There is no possibility they will create 10,000+ jobs here for a single limited-run contract.

And the Gripen still uses a lot of ITAR equipment that can be withheld by the US (do not bring up "the other engine", the EJ230 does not exist, Rolls Royce isn't developing it, and Saab has ruled out switching to a different engine). So if the goal is to avoid US involvement in the supply train,the Gripen fails at that, plus has a  colossal capability gap.

This has been discussed multiple times in the fighter jet thread.

 
And their jobs claim is bullshit. They made the same promises to Brazil, who has a larger aerospace industry than us, Embraer, with more military experience, and they've had barely 300 jobs created. And Saab's global job number is only 26,000. There is no possibility they will create 10,000+ jobs here for a single limited-run contract.

And the Gripen still uses a lot of ITAR equipment that can be withheld by the US (do not bring up "the other engine", the EJ230 does not exist, Rolls Royce isn't developing it, and Saab has ruled out switching to a different engine). So if the goal is to avoid US involvement in the supply train,the Gripen fails at that, plus has a  colossal capability gap.

This has been discussed multiple times in the fighter jet thread.

Canada can just make our own engine and reverse engineer all the US bits and pieces.
 
It's a much better design than Phillips, IMHO.

Absolutely!

What I was alluding to is the fact that during WWII, Canada elected to extensively use Robertson screws for its military equipment because "the Germans don't have the screwdrivers to re-use our materiel if it falls in their hands". The problem was our own allies didn't have them either, so they couldn't help us fixing our equipment. :)
 
Looks like PM Carney has reached a pretty wide ranging agreement on trade and investment with Qatar. Lots of manufacturing and high tech being referred to, plus enhanced defense ties, and pledges to work towards other aspects like a dual taxation agreement.


Prime Minister Carney secures new partnership with Qatar to increase trade, investment, and defence cooperation​


January 18, 2026
Doha, Qatar

The global landscape is rapidly changing, leaving economies, businesses, and workers in a state of uncertainty. In response, Canada is focused on what we can control: securing new trade and investment partnerships so we are not reliant on a single country, but more resilient to global shocks. We are positioning Canada as a strong, reliable partner to secure new capital, develop new export markets, and create new opportunities for Canadian workers and businesses.

To advance that mission, the Prime Minister, Mark Carney, travelled to Doha, Qatar – the first-ever visit by a sitting Canadian Prime Minister to the state. The Prime Minister met with the Amir of Qatar, His Highness Sheikh Tamim bin Hamad Al Thani, to discuss increasing trade, commerce, investment, and security cooperation. Upon concluding the visit, the leaders announced a commitment from Qatar to make significant strategic investments in Canadian nation-building projects. These investments will get major projects built faster, supercharge our clean energy, health, AI, and defence industries, and create thousands of high-paying careers and sustained prosperity for Canadian workers.

Building on this momentum, the Prime Minister and the Amir issued a joint statement committing to accelerated two-way investment and collaboration across AI, quantum computing, aerospace, defence technologies, advanced manufacturing, agriculture, and agri-food.

After years of stalled negotiations, the leaders agreed to conclude negotiations on a new Canada-Qatar Foreign Investment Promotion and Protection Agreement (FIPA) by this summer. This will enable Canadian businesses to more easily expand their operations in, and attract investment from, Qatar – a country with an economy worth nearly $290 billion. Building on this progress, Canada and Qatar agreed to immediately deepen work together on:

  • Bilateral trade and investmentthrough the establishment of a Joint Canada-Qatar Commission on Economic, Commercial, and Technical Cooperation.
  • Information technology, expanding investment opportunities in areas such as AI and information and computer technology.
  • Defence and security, launching negotiations on a framework to facilitate the exchange of expertise on military, security, and defence matters.
  • A new double-taxation agreement to make it easier for Canadians to work and invest in Qatar and vice versa, with negotiations starting soon.
To further build this partnership, Prime Minister Carney announced that Canada will:

  • Expand air services between the two countries under the Canada-Qatar Air Transport Agreement.
  • Establish an office for Canada’s Defence Attaché in Doha to increase the frequency and depth of bilateral engagements that increase exports from Canada’s defence sector.
  • Exchange security-related best practices and lessons learned in preparation for the FIFA World Cup 26, as Canada, Mexico, and the United States prepare to co-host this global sporting event.
As Qatar marks the beginning of its 2026 Year of Culture, Prime Minister Carney emphasised the important and growing people-to-people and cultural ties between the two countries. He extended an invitation to His Highness the Amir as well as Qatar’s Prime Minister and Minister of Foreign Affairs, His Excellency Sheikh Mohammed bin Abdulrahman bin Jassim Al Thani, to visit Canada in the coming year.

While in Doha, the Prime Minister met with the Minister of Public Health of Qatar to reinforce shared priorities in health and life science. He underscored the potential for Canadian companies to grow their footprint in Qatar’s healthcare ecosystem, including in biotechnology and groundbreaking AI-driven health technologies. He also met with Qatari business leaders and heads of the Qatari Investment Authority to explore more opportunities to collaborate, further positioning Canada as a premier destination for global capital and investment.

Canada and Qatar are both economies with preeminent resources, with common goals to diversify trade and investment opportunities, with complementary strengths in technology, security, and international leadership. As Canada works to build major new energy projects, scale up our defence capabilities, and build on our leadership in AI and innovative technologies, strengthening our partnership with Qatar will accelerate these missions.

Quick facts​

  • This was Prime Minister Carney’s first official visit to Qatar and the first-ever visit by a sitting Canadian Prime Minister.
  • Nearly 10,000 Canadians live and work in Qatar, contributing across aerospace, artificial intelligence, defence, and agri-food sectors.
  • Two-way trade exceeds $325 million, with Québec accounting for nearly half of Canadian exports – driven by aerospace and advanced manufacturing.
  • Today, Qatar’s investment in Canada is growing by nearly 20% a year.
  • Qatar is the third-largest economy in the Gulf region, offering significant business opportunities for Canadian companies.
  • In November 2025, Canada removed the visa requirement for Qatari citizens and introduced electronic travel authorisation eligibility for air travel to facilitate business and leisure travel.
  • In 2018, Canada and Qatar initiated negotiations toward a Foreign Investment Promotion and Protection Agreement (FIPA).
 
Looks like PM Carney has reached a pretty wide ranging agreement on trade and investment with Qatar. Lots of manufacturing and high tech being referred to, plus enhanced defense ties, and pledges to work towards other aspects like a dual taxation agreement.


Prime Minister Carney secures new partnership with Qatar to increase trade, investment, and defence cooperation​


January 18, 2026
Doha, Qatar

The global landscape is rapidly changing, leaving economies, businesses, and workers in a state of uncertainty. In response, Canada is focused on what we can control: securing new trade and investment partnerships so we are not reliant on a single country, but more resilient to global shocks. We are positioning Canada as a strong, reliable partner to secure new capital, develop new export markets, and create new opportunities for Canadian workers and businesses.

To advance that mission, the Prime Minister, Mark Carney, travelled to Doha, Qatar – the first-ever visit by a sitting Canadian Prime Minister to the state. The Prime Minister met with the Amir of Qatar, His Highness Sheikh Tamim bin Hamad Al Thani, to discuss increasing trade, commerce, investment, and security cooperation. Upon concluding the visit, the leaders announced a commitment from Qatar to make significant strategic investments in Canadian nation-building projects. These investments will get major projects built faster, supercharge our clean energy, health, AI, and defence industries, and create thousands of high-paying careers and sustained prosperity for Canadian workers.

Building on this momentum, the Prime Minister and the Amir issued a joint statement committing to accelerated two-way investment and collaboration across AI, quantum computing, aerospace, defence technologies, advanced manufacturing, agriculture, and agri-food.

After years of stalled negotiations, the leaders agreed to conclude negotiations on a new Canada-Qatar Foreign Investment Promotion and Protection Agreement (FIPA) by this summer. This will enable Canadian businesses to more easily expand their operations in, and attract investment from, Qatar – a country with an economy worth nearly $290 billion. Building on this progress, Canada and Qatar agreed to immediately deepen work together on:

  • Bilateral trade and investmentthrough the establishment of a Joint Canada-Qatar Commission on Economic, Commercial, and Technical Cooperation.
  • Information technology, expanding investment opportunities in areas such as AI and information and computer technology.
  • Defence and security, launching negotiations on a framework to facilitate the exchange of expertise on military, security, and defence matters.
  • A new double-taxation agreement to make it easier for Canadians to work and invest in Qatar and vice versa, with negotiations starting soon.
To further build this partnership, Prime Minister Carney announced that Canada will:

  • Expand air services between the two countries under the Canada-Qatar Air Transport Agreement.
  • Establish an office for Canada’s Defence Attaché in Doha to increase the frequency and depth of bilateral engagements that increase exports from Canada’s defence sector.
  • Exchange security-related best practices and lessons learned in preparation for the FIFA World Cup 26, as Canada, Mexico, and the United States prepare to co-host this global sporting event.
As Qatar marks the beginning of its 2026 Year of Culture, Prime Minister Carney emphasised the important and growing people-to-people and cultural ties between the two countries. He extended an invitation to His Highness the Amir as well as Qatar’s Prime Minister and Minister of Foreign Affairs, His Excellency Sheikh Mohammed bin Abdulrahman bin Jassim Al Thani, to visit Canada in the coming year.

While in Doha, the Prime Minister met with the Minister of Public Health of Qatar to reinforce shared priorities in health and life science. He underscored the potential for Canadian companies to grow their footprint in Qatar’s healthcare ecosystem, including in biotechnology and groundbreaking AI-driven health technologies. He also met with Qatari business leaders and heads of the Qatari Investment Authority to explore more opportunities to collaborate, further positioning Canada as a premier destination for global capital and investment.

Canada and Qatar are both economies with preeminent resources, with common goals to diversify trade and investment opportunities, with complementary strengths in technology, security, and international leadership. As Canada works to build major new energy projects, scale up our defence capabilities, and build on our leadership in AI and innovative technologies, strengthening our partnership with Qatar will accelerate these missions.

Quick facts​

  • This was Prime Minister Carney’s first official visit to Qatar and the first-ever visit by a sitting Canadian Prime Minister.
  • Nearly 10,000 Canadians live and work in Qatar, contributing across aerospace, artificial intelligence, defence, and agri-food sectors.
  • Two-way trade exceeds $325 million, with Québec accounting for nearly half of Canadian exports – driven by aerospace and advanced manufacturing.
  • Today, Qatar’s investment in Canada is growing by nearly 20% a year.
  • Qatar is the third-largest economy in the Gulf region, offering significant business opportunities for Canadian companies.
  • In November 2025, Canada removed the visa requirement for Qatari citizens and introduced electronic travel authorisation eligibility for air travel to facilitate business and leisure travel.
  • In 2018, Canada and Qatar initiated negotiations toward a Foreign Investment Promotion and Protection Agreement (FIPA).
Amazing that when he goes on a trip to anywhere but Washington he achieves results.
 

Canada’s Industry Minister Mélanie Joly met with Chinese automakers BYD and Chery Automobile during Prime Minister Mark Carney’s visit to Beijing last week to strike what he named a “landmark” trade deal with China.The meetings with both auto giants were disclosed by Bloomberg on Saturday, a day after Canada agreed to allow up to 49,000 Chinese electric vehicles annually at a 6.1% tariff — down from 100%.

Joly, who accompanied the prime minister to meet Chinese President Xi Jinping, also met with Canadian auto parts supplier Magna International during the trip — as the country prepares to unveil an Auto Plan in February.The new automotive strategy could allow Chinese companies to assemble vehicles in Canada for the first time.

Where have I seen this before?
If the choice don't sell cars, only parts and raw materials like lutnick says, or we bring in BYD or some magical European automaker others seem to think will come here

The thing is the USA will put extreme pressure on anyone looking to set up shop here. The only country that could not care less would probably be China. Germans would cave for sure. South Korean, Japanese, they cave for sure. China, not so much.

That said, the yanks have laid their cards on the table. They don't want us to have a auto industry, period.
Oh that's right.
 



It’s certainly a thing and they all do it. The fact that Nissan knows everything about my car without me even having to go in is disconcerting but sadly a reality.
For sure, just definitely not a unique concern for Chinese EVs, or anything necessarily nefarious either. Subaru does the same thing on my new car, and it was weird getting a notification on the app that my washer fluid was low when the signal came in.

This kind of service is actually being regularly offered to the CAF on new equipment as well as part of the ISSCs; especially if part of the contract is maintaining equipment availability remote monitoring is a really easy way for them to keep an eye on it between major checks and pick up trends early. Especially as we aren't the best customer at keeping track of inconvenient things like maintenance.

If you take the time to actually read the T&Cs (I did, because I'm that guy) they spell out the data being collected, and what it's being used for.

I get the arguement that it's an additional factoid that the Chinese government can use, but given that there is already more info available on the open market from advertisers, mainly with US companies, think that horse has long since left the barn, and the Chinese government isn't on my personal threat list.

If a foreign govt is going to target Canada, far more concerned about the hydro grid, water supplies, banking system and other pieces of infra with big digital dependencies, than a few cars.
 
For sure, just definitely not a unique concern for Chinese EVs, or anything necessarily nefarious either. Subaru does the same thing on my new car, and it was weird getting a notification on the app that my washer fluid was low when the signal came in.

This kind of service is actually being regularly offered to the CAF on new equipment as well as part of the ISSCs; especially if part of the contract is maintaining equipment availability remote monitoring is a really easy way for them to keep an eye on it between major checks and pick up trends early. Especially as we aren't the best customer at keeping track of inconvenient things like maintenance.

If you take the time to actually read the T&Cs (I did, because I'm that guy) they spell out the data being collected, and what it's being used for.

I get the arguement that it's an additional factoid that the Chinese government can use, but given that there is already more info available on the open market from advertisers, mainly with US companies, think that horse has long since left the barn, and the Chinese government isn't on my personal threat list.

If a foreign govt is going to target Canada, far more concerned about the hydro grid, water supplies, banking system and other pieces of infra with big digital dependencies, than a few cars.
The info security threats are not largely data that a car is already consensually and openly collecting with use consent. It’s the other stuff the car’s EM and photo sensors can collect passively and surreptitiously.
 
The info security threats are not largely data that a car is already consensually and openly collecting with use consent. It’s the other stuff the car’s EM and photo sensors can collect passively and surreptitiously.
Aren't they already subpoenaing tesla for their security footage?
 
Aren't they already subpoenaing tesla for their security footage?
There’s a profound difference between lawful subpoenas under a nation’s own judicial system, and surreptitious co-option of technology by a foreign state. I think earlier in this thread I also pointed to the example of the Chinese security camera manufacturers that we’ve banned from operating in Canada.
 
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