Liberal Minority Government 2025 - ???

[Quirky]

Not when the plane is nearly as reliant on the US for parts. And willfully ignores the whole operational side of the argument.

The F-35 was clouded in controversy before the competition even started, it wasn't ever a favorite of the Canadian public and media which loved to write opinion-based articles. I highly doubt the 'buy Gripen to fuck USA' trope would get much traction if the F-15 was chosen. Even the arm chair generals of the Liberal support groups know the Eagle is boss, you don't f*ck with the Eagle. Despite it's stellar operational record the F-35 will always be the underdog, likely thanks to Russian and Chinese campaigns to discredit the program from the onset.

 

[Brad Sallows]

Unless we're planning to go so far as to pull out of joint arrangements such as NORAD, all the "we-cannot-trust-US-and-so-must-disengage-and-so-must-buy-elsewhere" posturing is bullshit. Sane people ought to treat it accordingly.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Unless we're planning to go so far as to pull out of joint arrangements such as NORAD, all the "we-cannot-trust-US-and-so-must-disengage-and-so-must-buy-elsewhere" posturing is bullshit. Sane people ought to treat it accordingly.

I'm happy to freely say that you and I are completely aligned on the NORAD portion. I do think we should be diversifying where we spend our defense dollars, including developing our own in house solutions where appropriate, though the F35 is required - for the immediate and near future.

 

[IKnowNothing]

I'm happy to freely say that you and I are completely aligned on the NORAD portion. I do think we should be diversifying where we spend our defense dollars, including developing our own in house solutions where appropriate, though the F35 is required - for the immediate and near future.

There's too much money going to be spent by too many countries (including ours) looking for pragmatic non Red-White-Blue solutions to not be considering bold plays to lever our big ticket purchases

 

[Czech_pivo]

There's too much money going to be spent by too many countries (including ours) looking for pragmatic non Red-White-Blue solutions to not be considering bold plays to lever our big ticket purchases

Besides this ongoing saga on the F35, I'm not aware of many contracts occurring in the next 12-24 months that don't have LM or the US front and centre. The subs never had any US angle to them. The CDC points to being CDN as much as possible, with Euro armaments. What's on the runaway over 12-24 months that's not LM or US already and could be someone else? Tanks maybe, but I thought that the runway is longer than 24 months.

 

[Furniture]

Besides this ongoing saga on the F35, I'm not aware of many contracts occurring in the next 12-24 months that don't have LM or the US front and centre. The subs never had any US angle to them. The CDC points to being CDN as much as possible, with Euro armaments. What's on the runaway over 12-24 months that's not LM or US already and could be someone else? Tanks maybe, but I thought that the runway is longer than 24 months.

The thing the projects being completed in the next 12-24 months have in common is that they started before the USA went batshit crazy.

Anything new/anything not yet signed should preference things not made in America, not completely bar, but preference other, less volatile partners. We have at least three more years of volatility, and no guarantee America after Trump will be anything like the America of the past.