Liberal Minority Government 2025 - ???

[Quirky]

Not when the plane is nearly as reliant on the US for parts. And willfully ignores the whole operational side of the argument.

The F-35 was clouded in controversy before the competition even started, it wasn't ever a favorite of the Canadian public and media which loved to write opinion-based articles. I highly doubt the 'buy Gripen to fuck USA' trope would get much traction if the F-15 was chosen. Even the arm chair generals of the Liberal support groups know the Eagle is boss, you don't f*ck with the Eagle. Despite it's stellar operational record the F-35 will always be the underdog, likely thanks to Russian and Chinese campaigns to discredit the program from the onset.

 

[Brad Sallows]

Unless we're planning to go so far as to pull out of joint arrangements such as NORAD, all the "we-cannot-trust-US-and-so-must-disengage-and-so-must-buy-elsewhere" posturing is bullshit. Sane people ought to treat it accordingly.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Unless we're planning to go so far as to pull out of joint arrangements such as NORAD, all the "we-cannot-trust-US-and-so-must-disengage-and-so-must-buy-elsewhere" posturing is bullshit. Sane people ought to treat it accordingly.

I'm happy to freely say that you and I are completely aligned on the NORAD portion. I do think we should be diversifying where we spend our defense dollars, including developing our own in house solutions where appropriate, though the F35 is required - for the immediate and near future.

 

[IKnowNothing]

I'm happy to freely say that you and I are completely aligned on the NORAD portion. I do think we should be diversifying where we spend our defense dollars, including developing our own in house solutions where appropriate, though the F35 is required - for the immediate and near future.

There's too much money going to be spent by too many countries (including ours) looking for pragmatic non Red-White-Blue solutions to not be considering bold plays to lever our big ticket purchases

 

[Czech_pivo]

There's too much money going to be spent by too many countries (including ours) looking for pragmatic non Red-White-Blue solutions to not be considering bold plays to lever our big ticket purchases

Besides this ongoing saga on the F35, I'm not aware of many contracts occurring in the next 12-24 months that don't have LM or the US front and centre. The subs never had any US angle to them. The CDC points to being CDN as much as possible, with Euro armaments. What's on the runaway over 12-24 months that's not LM or US already and could be someone else? Tanks maybe, but I thought that the runway is longer than 24 months.

 

[Furniture]

Besides this ongoing saga on the F35, I'm not aware of many contracts occurring in the next 12-24 months that don't have LM or the US front and centre. The subs never had any US angle to them. The CDC points to being CDN as much as possible, with Euro armaments. What's on the runaway over 12-24 months that's not LM or US already and could be someone else? Tanks maybe, but I thought that the runway is longer than 24 months.

The thing the projects being completed in the next 12-24 months have in common is that they started before the USA went batshit crazy.

Anything new/anything not yet signed should preference things not made in America, not completely bar, but preference other, less volatile partners. We have at least three more years of volatility, and no guarantee America after Trump will be anything like the America of the past.

 

[IKnowNothing]

Besides this ongoing saga on the F35, I'm not aware of many contracts occurring in the next 12-24 months that don't have LM or the US front and centre. The subs never had any US angle to them. The CDC points to being CDN as much as possible, with Euro armaments. What's on the runaway over 12-24 months that's not LM or US already and could be someone else? Tanks maybe, but I thought that the runway is longer than 24 months.

Why are you limiting to 24 month execution? If we return to normal overnight, a lot of the money we're talking about doesn't get spent. But more likely we're looking at a decade+ of instability, rearmament, and at best, lingering bad taste from 47. My thinking lies 100% in positioning Canada as best we can from a defense industrial standpoint to face Cold War 2.0- long term, strategic planning and partnerships.

Of the top of my head, and keeping to sexy/shooty big ticket items:

• Future Fighter - the F35/Gripen Saga
• AEW&C - tied into the above, but a chance to get a major piece of potentially 30+ export airframes
• nTACS- yes CANSOFCOM and the Navy are getting Blackhawks, but the broader program is still undecided
• Heavy Direct Fire Modernization + MEDCAV - 500-600+ heavy armoured vehicles, potentially sharing a chassis- that should get us a factory
• CDC - you covered
• Combo of GBAD + ATGM + Munitions supply review

Serious dough, serious opportunities to get Canadian money spent in Canada AND lever that money into European money being spent in Canada.
Beyond that- a chance to redefine Canada's place in the Western world.

 

[MilEME09]

Another win with the China deal?

https://twitter.com/x/status/2013386555554177135

 

[suffolkowner]

Another win with the China deal?

https://twitter.com/x/status/2013386555554177135

not for Canadians that want to buy beef lol

 

[CBH99]

Because when faced with America engaging in a global trade conflict and trying to take over a NATO ally, China suddenly seems a lot more desirable to do business with.

Fair enough.

If Canada wants to be able to access new markets, or some markets more broadly, China absolutely is the country to seek out

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One of the largest economies in the world, and will soon be #1 if it isn't already.

Yes it has some serious problems & challenges, but at least it's currency has actual value and is backed by actual gold reserves.

Plus it's probably the anchor behind BRICS, and BRICS is going to become a whole lot more important in the coming years than the west seems to think.

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I'm all for accessing more markets & increasing our exports. I mean who isn't??

We absolutely DO need to be extremely cautious in what concessions we make with China though. We have enough fuckery from them as it is, we need to go about doing this cautiously.

 

[YZT580]

not for Canadians that want to buy beef lol

there was already a shortage jacking prices up. Veggie burgers for the MREs