Liberal Minority Government 2025 - ???

[Jarnhamar]

This is good news. First China goes from public security threat #1 to trusted partner (seemingly overnight) just in time for reinvigorated deals, and now just ahead of the Prime Ministers visit, India is no longer linked to Violent Crimes in Canada.

Ahead of Carney trip, Ottawa says India is no longer linked to violent crimes in Canada

 

[Quirky]

This is good news. First China goes from public security threat #1 to trusted partner (seemingly overnight) just in time for reinvigorated deals, and now just ahead of the Prime Ministers visit, India is no longer linked to Violent Crimes in Canada.

Ahead of Carney trip, Ottawa says India is no longer linked to violent crimes in Canada

The US is the real threat don't you know.

 

[Czech_pivo]

The US is the real threat don't you know.

Maybe this new government has given CSIS more leash on India/China vs the last set of Clowns?

 

[Eaglelord17]

The US is the real threat don't you know.

In the immediate term yes.

China isn’t a immediate strategic threat to Canada. They aren’t going to invade us and economically they are stable with us. Ultimately their goals are regional (South China sea, Taiwan, East Russia, etc.), not global, with anything they have going on globally being to strengthen themselves in their region, not as a springboard to invade or attack other countries like how America uses it’s allies.

The US on the other hand is determined to undermine our economy and sovereignty (and is already doing so).

If you don’t think the US is actively trying to harm us, we have spent billions as a country trying to counter some of the damage being done due to their economic games. I have friends who have lost their jobs due to their nonsense. And if it keeps going the way it is, odds are more jobs will be lost along the way.

 

[HavokFour]

Poilievre will be doing some travelling. I just hope he's smart enough to avoid rubbing elbows with Reform and AfD, CPC doesn't need that kind of bad press at home right now.

Poilievre to fly to UK, Germany on first international trip as Opposition leader - National | Globalnews.ca

As Prime Minister Mark Carney heads to India, Australia, and Japan, his chief political opponent Pierre Poilievre is bound for the UK and Germany.

globalnews.ca

 

[Brad Sallows]

The US on the other hand is determined to undermine our economy and sovereignty (and is already doing so).

China crawling around in the arctic is evidence China is determined to undermine our economy and sovereignty. So is direct Chinese interference in politics and attempts to strongarm Canadian citizens, whether of Chinese descent or otherwise.

As so many people are fond of claiming, the Chinese government is in it for the long haul. Trump has 3 more years. Do the math.

 

[Remius]

China crawling around in the arctic is evidence China is determined to undermine our economy and sovereignty. So is direct Chinese interference in politics and attempts to strongarm Canadian citizens, whether of Chinese descent or otherwise.

As so many people are fond of claiming, the Chinese government is in it for the long haul. Trump has 3 more years. Do the math.

Trumpism will continue though. Someone much smarter than me stated that anyone thinking this is just a blip is an idiot. Not claiming you yourself are an idiot but US policy is unlikely to change after Trump. It may soften. But it will never be as it once was.

 

[Brad Sallows]

Trumpism will continue though. Someone much smarter than me stated that anyone thing this is just a blip is an idiot. Not claiming you yourself are an idiot but US policy is unlikely to change after Trump. It may soften. But it will never be as it once was.

History going back at least a few decades suggests that if a Republican successor to Trump doesn't put his own ideological stamp on all foreign and domestic aspects of the presidency, he'll be approximately the first one not to do so. Even a former VP. For a Democrat to fail to do so is even more unlikely.

The debate, then, is "how much?".

It's prudent to assume that all politicians aiming for the presidency are smart enough to play "go along to get along" (except for the primary candidates just in there to raise their profiles for other reasons) until the prize is grasped. A useful predictive guide to where a politician is heading is his behaviour before he got to a position in which he had to go along. The truest Vance, for example, is probably Vance c 2016 about the time "Hillbilly Elegy" was published. TL;DR, he claimed to be a NeverTrumper, at a time when he could not foresee needing to be in Trump's good book. Is he a convert, or playing a role in pursuit of ends?

I doubt any future president is going to duplicate Trump's communication style. That change in tone alone will be huge. I also doubt any future president is going to duplicate Trump's on-the-bus-off-the-bus irrational changes-his-mind-three-times-a-day unpredictable policy habits. That change, too, will be huge.

With a future Republican, I expect import tariffs to go away and protectionism to revert to pre-Trump levels, driven mainly by Congress. Expectations of high contributions to international security and assistance, I expect to remain. Bellicose threats to friendly nations I expect to disappear entirely. And those three things are pretty much 90%+ of what matters.

 

[Jarnhamar]

China isn’t a immediate strategic threat to Canada. They aren’t going to invade us and economically they are stable with us.

Strategic threat doesn't have to mean Type 99 Battle tanks rolling into Vancouver.

The concern many analysts raise about China is influence and leverage.


Chinese state-linked firms have invested in Canadian mining, energy, agriculture, and technology sectors. In some cases, Ottawa has blocked or unwound deals on national security grounds (for example, critical minerals). That's a strategic control of supply chains.

Purchases of agricultural land or property near critical infrastructure ia another issue, and why Canada has tightened foreign buyer rules and increased security screening.

CSIS and parliamentary reports have publicly stated that China has engaged in foreign interference activities in Canada including diaspora intimidation and political influence efforts.

We have elected Members of Parliament who hide in the bathroom rather than vote on issues unfriendly to China.

“The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.”

 

[PPCLI Guy]

This is good news. First China goes from public security threat #1 to trusted partner (seemingly overnight) just in time for reinvigorated deals, and now just ahead of the Prime Ministers visit, India is no longer linked to Violent Crimes in Canada.

Ahead of Carney trip, Ottawa says India is no longer linked to violent crimes in Canada

This is what limiting our exposure to a toxic, aggressive, and duplicitous regime that attempts to influence Canadian politics, culture, the economy etc looks like. Diversifying away from the US is an imperative at this point.......even if we have to stop clutching our pearls.

Don't get me wrong - I am a huge China hawk, but I am also a pragmatic realist. China may be the biggest wolf chasing the good sled Canada; the US is on the sled and chewing our testicles though, so perhaps we should deal with that wolf first...

 

[Eaglelord17]

Strategic threat doesn't have to mean Type 99 Battle tanks rolling into Vancouver.

The concern many analysts raise about China is influence and leverage.


Chinese state-linked firms have invested in Canadian mining, energy, agriculture, and technology sectors. In some cases, Ottawa has blocked or unwound deals on national security grounds (for example, critical minerals). That's a strategic control of supply chains.

Purchases of agricultural land or property near critical infrastructure ia another issue, and why Canada has tightened foreign buyer rules and increased security screening.

CSIS and parliamentary reports have publicly stated that China has engaged in foreign interference activities in Canada including diaspora intimidation and political influence efforts.

We have elected Members of Parliament who hide in the bathroom rather than vote on issues unfriendly to China.

“The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.”

Do not take me as pro-China, they are a threat, just not a immediate strategic threat.

Right now the biggest threat to our sovereignty and economy is unfortunately the US which should be our greatest ally. Trying to fight China and the US at the same time isn’t a winning option for us. Especially when the US is more than willing to sell us down the river (remember when they had us enact that secret warrant on Huawei CEO and take the brunt of that political nightmare).

Step one is diversifying our economy and trying to limit the amount of damage the US can do to it. Attacking any trading partner at this point in time undermines that goal.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Poilievre will be doing some travelling. I just hope he's smart enough to avoid rubbing elbows with Reform and AfD, CPC doesn't need that kind of bad press at home right now.

Poilievre to fly to UK, Germany on first international trip as Opposition leader - National | Globalnews.ca

As Prime Minister Mark Carney heads to India, Australia, and Japan, his chief political opponent Pierre Poilievre is bound for the UK and Germany.

globalnews.ca

Say 'hello' to Nigel for me

 

[Czech_pivo]

Do not take me as pro-China, they are a threat, just not a immediate strategic threat.

Right now the biggest threat to our sovereignty and economy is unfortunately the US which should be our greatest ally. Trying to fight China and the US at the same time isn’t a winning option for us. Especially when the US is more than willing to sell us down the river (remember when they had us enact that secret warrant on Huawei CEO and take the brunt of that political nightmare).

Step one is diversifying our economy and trying to limit the amount of damage the US can do to it. Attacking any trading partner at this point in time undermines that goal.

Let's see if we learned our lesson with the US on that one going forward......