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Agree and disagree at the same time. The crown would dearly like to be able to award greater benefits to those it sends into remote locations. And they used to provide benefits to incentivize people to relocate. Unfortunately unions got in the way, demanding equal benefits for anyone with the same job title. As a for instance, Transport Canada personnel working at Toronto Airport used to be able to claim mileage for weekend work because public transit did not service the air side buildings. That died when clerks on the Terminal side complained that they were discriminated against because they didn't qualify even though they may have lived in the same area. Union grieved and one and all mileage claims were suspended. (1970 or thereabouts) Many organisations apart from government suffer from the same problems between union and management. So yes, the crown keeps the strings pulled tight on the purse but we do sometimes contribute to our own misfortunes.
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It might be a good idea, but it might have limited impact. Fairbanks is about 32000 population; Anchorage is about 290000. Churchill is 850. How big would it have to get to make it attractive to a family?
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Are you familiar with the benefits already paid to CAF members in such locations?
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More on that.
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No. I am not.
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I was running the numbers on this yesterday. Churchill would be about 28,000 in IPGHD benefits for a member with dependents, and about 18,000 for a member without. Much of that ends up getting spent to cover the actual increased costs- though CAF would, I expect, establish government housing at such a port. Still, IPGHD isn’t simply some great big bonus, and it only goes so far to compensate for the suck of isolation. Churchill would be considerably more isolated in real terms than, say, Yellowknife or Whitehorse. Churchill, while not as isolated in absolute terms as Iqaluit, is less than 1/10 the population.Chapter 11 – Isolated post instructions - Canada.ca
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An enhanced port and a CAF facility in Churchill would represent a major increase in the population and infrastructure over what very little is there already. Housing would be a major challenge.
Make no mistake; Churchill would be an isolated and probably crappy posting, particularly for families. Maybe CAF should consider a ‘fly in/fly out’ rotational model for many of the hypothetical staff like a lot of the work camps or some of the remote RCMP posts do? Families could live where it makes sense to live, and every two weeks people rotate in and out. Bust your ass for two weeks, fly home to Winnipeg or Edmonton for two weeks off. Might even be cheaper than cost moves up there.
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Gross. Net will vary depending on one’s own tax circumstances.
Yeah, I heard the Mounties were trying this for some of the less desirable postings you wouldn’t want to drag your family to. Worth exploring.
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Any CAF expansion in the North will hit those issues of limited housing, and limited infrastructure (both physical and social) to absorb an influx of CAF members and their families.
Adding 200 CAF members to Gagetown would be relatively straightforward; the same in Iqaluit would be significantly more challenging.
Adding 200 CAF members to Gagetown would be relatively straightforward; the same in Iqaluit would be significantly more challenging.
Fortunately Canada has an entire industrial services sector that’s pretty good and building and sustaining a few hundred people in austere camps (with decent quality of life) way more remote than any of the locations under discussion. If CAF is serious about projecting more presence into the subarctic or Arctic, sustainment and infrastructure can be contracted out on the way to permanence as CAF builds the necessary capacity.
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Heads smarter than mine will argue the minutiae of this in more detail, however, observe the approximate drop dates that seem to correlate to election results....and the massive divergence between industrial investment between the two sides of the border.
This seems like the kind of thing that's tough to overcome....Canada was never really a major industrial powerhouse, we seemed to rely mostly on our natural resources, but losing industrial investment like this for a decade means that much of the equipment in use is probably a couple of technological generations behind making it even less productive.
One would hope that we'd have seen this climb or at least steady out since PMMC took charge, however, it seems not to be the case, and I suspect it'll continue to get worse for a while.
It would seem that Canada is not a good place to invest in manufacturing/industrial equipment, and hasn't been for...well...a long time.
This seems like the kind of thing that's tough to overcome....Canada was never really a major industrial powerhouse, we seemed to rely mostly on our natural resources, but losing industrial investment like this for a decade means that much of the equipment in use is probably a couple of technological generations behind making it even less productive.
One would hope that we'd have seen this climb or at least steady out since PMMC took charge, however, it seems not to be the case, and I suspect it'll continue to get worse for a while.
It would seem that Canada is not a good place to invest in manufacturing/industrial equipment, and hasn't been for...well...a long time.
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Best we can do is in-sourcing at three times the price and half the quality.
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Similar to CFS Alert now.
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1961 - 1,110
1971 - 6,681
1981 - 31,000 (boom census data unreliable due to transients and temporary housing)
1991 - 33,698
2001 - 30,000 - 40,000 (boom census data unreliable due to transients and temporary housing)
2011 - 61,374
2021 - 68,002
There is no reason, to my mind why places like Churchill and Iqaluit, Goose Bay and Gray's Bay, given the right circumstances, couldn't achieve similar growth. Yellowknife and Whitehorse both started as trading posts.
Once upon a time the entire white population of the lower mainland fitted inside a stockade at Fort Langley.
No city in Canada started with a divided highway servicing it.
The market imperative for the railroad to Vancouver in 1867 was just as obscure as that to Churchill. In fact the prospect for the Churchill route in 1867 was probably better tha that of Vancouver because the HBC had already started laying rail for wagonways at portage points to move both freight and York Boats.
1961 - 1,110
1971 - 6,681
1981 - 31,000 (boom census data unreliable due to transients and temporary housing)
1991 - 33,698
2001 - 30,000 - 40,000 (boom census data unreliable due to transients and temporary housing)
2011 - 61,374
2021 - 68,002
There is no reason, to my mind why places like Churchill and Iqaluit, Goose Bay and Gray's Bay, given the right circumstances, couldn't achieve similar growth. Yellowknife and Whitehorse both started as trading posts.
Once upon a time the entire white population of the lower mainland fitted inside a stockade at Fort Langley.
No city in Canada started with a divided highway servicing it.
The market imperative for the railroad to Vancouver in 1867 was just as obscure as that to Churchill. In fact the prospect for the Churchill route in 1867 was probably better tha that of Vancouver because the HBC had already started laying rail for wagonways at portage points to move both freight and York Boats.
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