Liberal (Minority/Majority) Government 2025 - ???

[Brad Sallows]

Moroun started squawking about this over a dozen years ago, he launched lawsuit after lawsuit after lawsuit (some accounts say that its been 27-29) over the new bridge over the last 15yrs. Go and do the research. He has only found a sympathetic ear now.

I know that part. Don't care. The additional bridge is a good idea, and Moroun isn't entitled to a lack of competition.

I am interested in the idea of non-federal levels of government cutting deals with foreign governments. In the specific case, it's just between the US and Canada, and seems unexceptionable. Maybe it's a really good idea, and should work both ways. I can guess that some people who are happy with the bridge and happier that it puts Trump's nose out of joint might feel differently if Canadian provinces were cutting deals with Trump's administration. So also a maybe : maybe lower levels of government should be able to talk about deals across borders, but have no powers to execute them.

 

[FJAG]

No idea. Sometimes people don't notice provisions in constitutions or legislation until something brings it to their attention. Until Moroun starting squawking, the matter didn't have a high profile. None of that detracts from how interesting the provision is.

Just to support what @Czech_pivo has said, I've lived in SW Ontario since 2009 and since then have been across that border dozens of times. To say that the Moroun organization is aggressive in the protection of their monopoly by way of litigation is an understatement. There were numerous issues before the Gordie Howe bridge was approved. Rick Snyder, the Republican governor of Michigan, finally threw a lot of effort behind getting the deal done against some heavy duty lobbying from the Moroun organization and his political backers. Those were tremendously contentious years.

All this long before Trump's presidency was just a wet dream.

The last few years have actually been pretty quiet until this last whirlwind assault.

 

[Good2Golf]

I miss the Harper days where the largest corruption scandal they can find is a senator buying a 16$ glass of orange juice, instead of billions in corruption and no one batting a eye.

Other than Harper lying and breaking his Alliance-PC merger bargain with MacKay, but it didn’t have overt money in Harper’s pocket so some people excuse him for it.

Ford pushed some shady stuff especially with the greenbelt construction stuff, but as @Furniture noted, he reads the room when ‘folks’ don’t like something and he adjusts course. I’ll take Ford all day long over Wynne, McGuinty and Rae.

 

[Czech_pivo]

This sums things up nicely onPolitical parties and those that follow party dogma blindly without the ability to think and question independently.

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[Navy_Pete]

This sums things up nicely onPolitical parties and those that follow party dogma blindly without the ability to think and question independently.

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That's not politics, that's herd dynamics. People are still mammals. For every successful 'independent thinker' there are probably dozens of Groks that got stomped to death by mammoths, died painfully trying a new mushroom, or whatever other millions of ways we've managed to kill ourselves.

Mob psychology is fascinating though, but that's exactly why they teach people to take charge at a first aid scene; as soon as you do that other people will stop to help vice just walk by, or all the other many crowd efforts throughout history. Less 'blindly following' than being bolstered by others to do something as part of a group, but being afraid to take the first step.

 

[Czech_pivo]

That's not politics, that's herd dynamics. People are still mammals. For every successful 'independent thinker' there are probably dozens of Groks that got stomped to death by mammoths, died painfully trying a new mushroom, or whatever other millions of ways we've managed to kill ourselves.

Mob psychology is fascinating though, but that's exactly why they teach people to take charge at a first aid scene; as soon as you do that other people will stop to help vice just walk by, or all the other many crowd efforts throughout history. Less 'blindly following' than being bolstered by others to do something as part of a group, but being afraid to take the first step.

'Mob psychology' is exactly what got Trudeau the Younger elected the first time -

 

[MilEME09]

I know its cold in AB this week, but I didnt think hell was freezing over

https://twitter.com/x/status/2024694883689091433

 

[Brad Sallows]

'Mob psychology' is exactly what got Trudeau the Younger elected the first time -

Never underestimate the power of style over substance. People repeatedly confirm they prefer smiles and socks over dour boring competent administration.

 

[Good2Golf]

I know its cold in AB this week, but I didnt think hell was freezing over

https://twitter.com/x/status/2024694883689091433

Alberta getting a Cabinet Minister would be an interesting development.

 

[Haggis]

'Mob psychology' is exactly what got Trudeau the Younger elected the first time -

Same could be said for Senior.

Most of the last few elections in Canada and the US have resulted in a celebrity being elected instead of a leader

 

[HavokFour]

The Liberals are soaring.

New Abacus Poll: Liberals Open Their Largest Lead Since Carney Became Leader as Optimism Hits Multi-Year High - Abacus Data

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338 Sunday Update: Momentum, Confirmed

A growing polling consensus points to a significant shift towards the Liberals, buoyed by Mark Carney’s approval numbers.

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Liaison also showing the trend upward.

Federal Tracker: Carney’s Liberals Surge to 12-Point Lead Over Conservatives

February 23, 2026 (Toronto, ON) – A new national survey released today by Liaison Strategies reveals that the Liberal Party of Canada, led by Prime Minister Mark Carney, has extended its lead in the federal political landscape. If an election were held today, the Liberals would secure 45% of the...

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[HavokFour]

There may now be fourth by-election in the making, and a massive blow to the NDP if he decides to go.

NDP's lone Quebec MP says he's considering jump to provincial politics​

 

[MilEME09]

Liaison also showing the trend upward.

Federal Tracker: Carney’s Liberals Surge to 12-Point Lead Over Conservatives

February 23, 2026 (Toronto, ON) – A new national survey released today by Liaison Strategies reveals that the Liberal Party of Canada, led by Prime Minister Mark Carney, has extended its lead in the federal political landscape. If an election were held today, the Liberals would secure 45% of the...

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Nanos shows similar, if the CPC drop below 30% that would be a disaster for the party

https://twitter.com/x/status/2026100035683791202

 

[Jarnhamar]

that would be a disaster for the party

Why?

 

[Remius]

Why?

When was the last time they were polling that low?

The party is already courting disaster. The leader is in a weak position with party discipline seemingly a mess.

Psychologically that poll number could trigger a leadership crisis with caucus either pushing for change or more floor crossing or departures.

The LPC a minority could rule as a majority knowing the CPC won’t defeat them on a confidence motion with polls that low. Oh they can play silly buggers at comitee like they have but The LPC could also go seek a new mandate with an election which would be problematic for the CPC.

The one caveat is that this is just one poll. It would have to be across the board.

 

[Halifax Tar]

When was the last time they were polling that low?

The party is already courting disaster. The leader is in a weak position with party discipline seemingly a mess.

Psychologically that poll number could trigger a leadership crisis with caucus either pushing for change or more floor crossing or departures.

The LPC a minority could rule as a majority knowing the CPC won’t defeat them on a confidence motion with polls that low. Oh they can play silly buggers at comitee like they have but The LPC could also go seek a new mandate with an election which would be problematic for the CPC.

The one caveat is that this is just one poll. It would have to be across the board.

Changes need to be made within the CPC.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Changes need to be made within the CPC.

Did you mean to say "Chainsaws need to come out within the CPC?"

 

[Deleted member 175000]

Changes need to be made within the CPC.

That's a tough road to hoe when (overly simplified) half the CPC potential voter pool thinks that Mark Carney is essentially a suitable PC PM that is unfortunately beholden to different elements of the left wing tent, and the other half thinks that Mark Carney is just like Justin and that the first half are libtard traitor sellouts that owe the 2nd half their votes.

Edit- it's actually more like 3rd's.

• 1/3rd that sees Carney as above but would consider voting for him despite his being beholden to certain LW interests (if the CPC that doesn't have something better on offer
• 1/3rd that sees Carney as above but won't vote for him, can't forgive the LW influence/ policy elements
• 1/3rd that sees Carney as the LW socialist enemy, the 1st 3rd as traitors, and a leader that the both the 1st and 2nd 3rds would be happy with as a CINO sellout

 

[Jarnhamar]

The one caveat is that this is just one poll. It would have to be across the board.

Calling low polling numbers a disaster seems a bit hyperbolic though. The CPC won't cease to exist of the LPC convince enough turn coats to cross the floor.

The CPC ha survived LPC majorities in the past. The real disaster will come from which allies Canada courts. I think the irony there will be LPC voters blaming CPC for not being more viable to them.

 

[Remius]

Calling low polling numbers a disaster seems a bit hyperbolic though. The CPC won't cease to exist of the LPC convince enough turn coats to cross the floor.

I didn’t say that in of itself is a disaster. But it could also be one part that leads the party to more division and possible fracturing.

The CPC ha survived LPC majorities in the past. The real disaster will come from which allies Canada courts. I think the irony there will be LPC voters blaming CPC for not being more viable to them.

It also fractured a few times and spent a long time in the wood figuring itself out. I suspect that is where they are headed again.