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Liberal (Minority/Majority) Government 2025 - ???

dapaterson said:
PBO is a GiC appointment. Even an interim appointment needs to go through that process.

And GiC appointments take time, and are often not a priority, and require the staff of the responsible department to push constantly.
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While true, and with the caveat that the office has only existed since 2008, I believe this is the only time we haven't had a PBO. The other appointments were either permanent or one temporary, and picked up immediately after the other. Not having one appointed is nothing short of a deliberate decision to not have one, either because they don't care to have one, or they're probably trying real hard to find someone both acceptable to everyone yet the least likely to cause them headaches (purely guessing on my part of course). It's not like we weren't all fully aware that the term would end and a new PBO would have to be appointed.
 
Seyek said:
While true, and with the caveat that the office has only existed since 2008, I believe this is the only time we haven't had a PBO. The other appointments were either permanent or one temporary, and picked up immediately after the other. Not having one appointed is nothing short of a deliberate decision to not have one, either because they don't care to have one, or they're probably trying real hard to find someone both acceptable to everyone yet the least likely to cause them headaches (purely guessing on my part of course). It's not like we weren't all fully aware that the term would end and a new PBO would have to be appointed.
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Having been peripherally involved in some GiC appointments, I doubt that the GoC is cunning enough to deliberately not fill; it's more than likely bureaucratic friction.
 
YZT580 said:
of course there is no evidence of malfeasance. I wouldn't expect there to be apparent evidence even if there was some skullduggery. Both Brookfield and Carney have been around far too long to get caught up in that kind of scandal. The fact that Brookfield has numerous lobbyists working Ottawa who have been in direct contact with Carney on several occasions is just smoke, the result of their being old business mates wanting to meet over a social drink, and events are pure coincidence if they work in Brookfield's favour. But if all of the liberal (do nothing wrong) group can spend their time castigating Pierre when the very leader they are fawning over is drawing heavily from the conservative platform and rising in the polls as a direct result then I am certainly entitled to create my own rumours regarding the lack of moral turpitude evidenced (to my mind which is all that counts) by his actions: in particular with reference China and news where Brookfield's name just happens (strictly coincidental I am sure) to come up. As far as hating the man, consider this: he is a liberal and was chosen by the Laurentian Elite to be the new leader. That group has never changed.
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Why is there this constant attempt to link everything Carney is doing as Brookfield pulling the strings in the background? After a quick search, there are no former MPs sitting on Brookfield boards, with the exception of the PM. There are eight current MPs who have financial links to Brookfield, once again the PM, and 7 conservative MPs including the Leader of the Official Opposition.

If PP was the PM, would you be making these same accusations?
 
captloadie said:
Why is there this constant attempt to link everything Carney is doing as Brookfield pulling the strings in the background? After a quick search, there are no former MPs sitting on Brookfield boards, with the exception of the PM. There are eight current MPs who have financial links to Brookfield, once again the PM, and 7 conservative MPs including the Leader of the Official Opposition.

If PP was the PM, would you be making these same accusations?
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It’s an illness clearly.
 
Remius said:
It’s an illness clearly.
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I don't know if that's entirely fair to the average voter. Cynically, political opponents are taking advantage to try and manufacture ethical doubt in what is a pretty unique and conceptually complicated situation. The opportunity is there, because the "feel" of impropriety exists.

Mark Carney's last job: organizing 10's and 100's of billions of capital, picking winners to generate returns while investing in his vision of the future.

Mark Carney's current job: trying to stimulate 100's of billions in capital, choosing the strategic direction of the country to generate economic growth while investing in his vision of the future adapted for the geopolitical reality.

No shit there's going to be overlap. No shit Brookfield is going to have some insight into what his vision is and be able to make some speculative bets. There's no way to avoid it except barring the guy elected to do something from doing what he was elected to do, or barring a huge swathe of capital and firms from participating in our economy.
 
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Czech_pivo said:
No, I’m not.
Because if you think PP could have achieved more in the same timeframe, I’ve got a condo in downtown Toronto to sell you.
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Just because Carney is the lesser of two weevils doesn't mean he is above criticism.

Remius said:
It’s an illness clearly.
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CDS ?

Carney Derangement Syndrome ?
 
Jarnhamar said:
Building a house is good. Building a fake construction site to do a video about your promsie to build houses is theatrics. Aren't you tired of the theatrics?
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So let’s all shit on the foundation and framing work under way because it’s not a house yet and it’s not our preferred contractor?
 
captloadie said:
Why is there this constant attempt to link everything Carney is doing as Brookfield pulling the strings in the background? After a quick search, there are no former MPs sitting on Brookfield boards, with the exception of the PM. There are eight current MPs who have financial links to Brookfield, once again the PM, and 7 conservative MPs including the Leader of the Official Opposition.

If PP was the PM, would you be making these same accusations?
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Do those 7 MPs manage Brookfield? If PP had sat on the Brookfield board I would definitely have raised questions as should you with regards Carney. Asking is not the same as condemning although it does seem to bring out the defensive responses and the condemnations. Brookfield was always going to present the potential for people to question Carney's integrity so to protect himself Carney needs to ensure that he avoids even the appearance of wrongdoing for the same reason that Billy Graham made certain that he was never alone with any lady other than his wife and Carney has failed in that regard. He should never have made himself available to a registered lobbyist from his former employer.
 
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