Liberal (Minority/Majority) Government 2025 - ???

[Jarnhamar]

What, the persona of someone who has a PhD from one of the worlds most respected universities and was also the Governor of both the Banks of Canada and England?

That’s an appeal to authority rather than an argument about the persona itself. Credential signaling or halo effect if you prefer. But yes I can see Canadians using that as a reason for it.

 

[Navy_Pete]

You guys get jalapeno poppers ?

The key is to vote it into your mess rules as part of an GM, and approve the cost for it.

 

[Navy_Pete]

Members of Parliament enjoy immense privilege to speak openly in the context of their Parliamentary duties. Any MP, entrusted with classified information, would be able to disclose same in Parliametary business without fear of prosecution under FISOIA. They would likely lose subsequent access, but the concept of a FISOIA ‘gag’ on utterances made in the course of parliamentary duties simply isn’t true.

*There’s currently a very narrow carve out to that for members of the National Security and Intelligence Committee of Parliamentarians who receive classified information in the course of their NSICOP duties. There’s a Supreme Court decision pending imminently on how that squares with Parliamentary privilege.

Sure but even outside of Parliament, there is nothing that stops him speaking about a topic he got a briefing on, and fully complying with FISOIA, as long as he sticks to what's in the public domain.

Maybe the Parliamentary briefings are different, but pretty much all the ones I've seen at just the confidential and secret level always spelled out what part was actually classified.

He absolutely could have gotten a briefing on foreign interference etc, and stilled talked about it in general, or taken action if necessary, as long as he didn't disclose anything. It was a fundamentally stupid arguement, and essentially a complete fabrication by someone that should know better after spending their entire career as an MP.

 

[PPCLI Guy]

Not getting the clearance allows him to be transparent about what he knows.

....and deprives him of the insights he could garner from a more nuanced understanding of the context and background. In short, he wants to -charitably - be able to assess and explain the situation to his audience using no more information than that available to all. Less charitably, be as uninformed as the people he wants to represent.

 

[RangerRay]

A security clearance isn’t a requirement to lead an opposition party. Poilievre not obtaining it is a political choice, not a security failure. He’s prioritizing his role in public accountability and opposition work over participating in a classified briefing system that comes with restrictions on what he can say publicly. Not getting the clearance allows him to be transparent about what he knows.

....and deprives him of the insights he could garner from a more nuanced understanding of the context and background. In short, he wants to -charitably - be able to assess and explain the situation to his audience using no more information than that available to all. Less charitably, be as uninformed as the people he wants to represent.

Not to mention it allows him to remain ignorant of Beijing's sympathizers in his caucus. They are not as plentiful as in the LPC caucus, but they are there.

 

[MilEME09]

Gilles Duceppe endorsing a liberal candidate in tomorrow's by election? What in the world?

 

[GR66]

Gilles Duceppe endorsing a liberal candidate in tomorrow's by election? What in the world?

 

[YZT580]

Not to mention it allows him to remain ignorant of Beijing's sympathizers in his caucus. They are not as plentiful as in the LPC caucus, but they are there.

he just got rid of one

 

[Jarnhamar]

Not to mention it allows him to remain ignorant of Beijing's sympathizers in his caucus. They are not as plentiful as in the LPC caucus, but they are there.

Exactly. Now he can remain willfully ignorant while Carney can willfully ignore it. Certainly Poilievres is the greater sin.

 

[MilEME09]

Exactly. Now he can remain willfully ignorant while Carney can willfully ignore it. Certainly Poilievres is the greater sin.

Let's be real here Micheal Ma switched sides, his views didnt suddenly change, his pro china views are as much a stain on the CPC as they are the LPC.

 

[ArmyRick]

Let's be real here Micheal Ma switched sides,

Be real? Sure. You guys all cheer floor crossing "as being democratic blah, blah, blah..." So the LIBERALS now take ownership of their CCP man, Michael Ma.

Don't try to fluff this one off on the CPC. You steal the MPs, you take the good, the bad and the UGLY.

 

[ArmyRick]

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[Jarnhamar]

Let's be real here Micheal Ma switched sides, his views didnt suddenly change, his pro china views are as much a stain on the CPC as they are the LPC.

Whaaaaat? We were just commenting above about MPs crossing the floor because they're following their conscience.

Seems to me Michael Ma left the Conservative party for one that aligns more with his pro-Beijin views. No wonder Ma didn't like the CPC. "Just as much a stain" is a huge stretch.

 

[The Bread Guy]

Exactly. Now he can remain willfully ignorant while Carney can willfully ignore it. Certainly Poilievres is the greater sin.

Slightly different wishbone question: is knowing and not acting on problems better or worse than choosing not to know problems and not being able to act?

 

[GR66]

This one is hilarious and worth a watch. Perhaps a future CPC leader?

So what part of the video did you find most insightful? The childish editing to make it look like the interviewer was stuttering? The commentator making jokes about Rosemary Barton's weight? Her "$10,000 per month grocery bill"? The East Asian Conservative MP not having a "normal Canadian name" that he's "tired of trying to pronounce"?

If this is the sexist, racist BS that you find amusing and are using to inform your political thought then I can only shake my head.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Slightly different wishbone question: is knowing and not acting on problems better or worse than choosing not to know problems and not being able to act?

Good question. Knowing and not acting is worse. Welcoming them with open arms in a move to obtain a majority government is double worse.

 

[YZT580]

Whaaaaat? We were just commenting above about MPs crossing the floor because they're following their conscience.

Seems to me Michael Ma left the Conservative party for one that aligns more with his pro-Beijin views. No wonder Ma didn't like the CPC. "Just as much a stain" is a huge stretch.

Michael Ma was probably just obeying orders. His riding has been a cesspool for years now.

 

[Altair]

So what part of the video did you find most insightful? The childish editing to make it look like the interviewer was stuttering? The commentator making jokes about Rosemary Barton's weight? Her "$10,000 per month grocery bill"? The East Asian Conservative MP not having a "normal Canadian name" that he's "tired of trying to pronounce"?

If this is the sexist, racist BS that you find amusing and are using to inform your political thought then I can only shake my head.

The problem with the CPC is if and or when PP is gone, they will try to find their next unserious edgelord type who will delight in eating apples instead presenting a serious alternative to the LPC.

These types of videos, Juno news, Northern perspective, others in the Canadian youtube sphere, judging by the comments, view anyone but conservatives as nothing less than evil, which makes for finding a person to lead the CPC who is willing to expand the tent a real challenge.

I would love a Michael Chong type, Rona Ambrose, Lisa Raitt, but I know for a fact someone who just owns the libs will win.