It may have a strict legal definition but its definition in one's mind is considerably different. Now maybe our minds don't know the dictionary very well but it is still the way we, the commoner, think. Just saying.......
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ArmyRick
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Bottom line, its unethical and stinks.
Yes, I watched it. That was the 'anything else she describes' I referred to.
If we're speaking in legal terms, 'bribery' has a specific definition in the criminal code. I don't see it. 'It will be good for your riding if you join the government' does not, to me, appear to even remotely meet what the criminal code lays out.
Crown would need to be satisfied that party affiliation is a 'thing done by them in their official capacity'.
The word 'corruptly' also has specific meaning, and sets a very high bar; it's one of those easily overlooked until you recognize every word in a statute has meaning, and that it's a standalone element of the offence. Once you look at how case law treats that word generally (unsurprisingly I didn't find case law on bribery of MPs specifically), you see that it sets apart coduct very specificallyt and intentionally 'evil' to the will of Parliament (I'm paraphrasing R. v. Brown, 1956 CanLII 156 from the Ontario Court of Appeal) - https://canlii.ca/t/g15xf.
If one were to argue that a vague assertion that it would be 'good for the riding' could be legally 'corrupy' constitute bribery, well you've just criminalized every legislative deal that attracts support of a reluctant MP by offering riding-specific benefits. Clearly that's not the will of parliament.
Now I'm not a lawyer, just a cop who's done some work in the corruption realm, but to my amateur eye, and with a bit of a case law dig, I don't see the elements of the offence of bribery met.
Anyone wanting to argue ethics, principle, etc- have at 'er. That just bring sus back full circle to the same dicussion we've been having about floor crossing, Westminster system, independence of MPs and such that we've been having all along. Sticking with what I sort of know a little bit, I don't see anything remotely criminal in this. And, the usual tiresome reassurance I always seem to have to offer - yes, that would be the case regardless of the party(ies) in question and the direction of a floor crossing.
I don't see why Carney is pursuing more crossings unless it is to deliberately undermine Poilievre and cause chaos in the conservative party.
As it stands he can only afford to be missing a vote or two (i.e., the votes of individual MPs) on any bill the opposition fights. It's not just about bills passing, but about amendments and things like that. A lot more work goes into caucus management and keeping the backbenchers in check when your majority is razor thin. Add a few seats, and any individual leverage by a single MP or by just a couple of them mostly goes away.
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I will be honest I am not reading all that. I understand we are going to see this differently.
That, uh... Wasn't a lot, especially not for discussing hypothetical crime with uncommon law. But OK.
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He has switched having to deal with opposition parties to secure a majority on any issue to having to deal with his LPC MPs to retain a majority on any issue. Dealing with opposition parties, he deals with one person for each: its leader. Dealing with LPC MPs, he has to suffer every one of them having the right to buttonhole him and demand some beak-wetting. The smaller the majority, the more clout each MP has. In principle, the more MPs he has, the less he has to cater to problem children.
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and thus in lies the problem, it not about actually being something wrong with the situation, a lot of the attacks on the government right now are all about using the average canadians ignorance of the system to push half truths to stoke anger at the liberals. It may not be a bribe but enough buzz words and they can convince canadians about the illusion of bribe could be there, is enough to stoke anger with public opinion even if it isn't true.
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Just remember, other people will come across and read it and be a little more informed and a little bit smarter because of it.
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To a point. They are building fibre and 5G towers on Ellesmere Island.....
We don't have the density of Europe. But the telcos also don't cover the majority of Canada's territory either. Just most of the settled area.
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Those people made up the company and pushed their unethical and intent-to-confuse policies. I hope the packages reflect the services Rogers have given Canadias
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Ya look I get it. My intent is not to be insulting. I'm sure it's very well written. I'm just not interested in paragraphs of twisting and bending legalese is all.
I'm a pretty simple guy, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it's a duck.
If I'm legally wrong so be it. I'm cool with it. The courts and I often disagree.
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There are some exemptions specified in articles.
Rogers in particular is digesting the Shaw acquisition.
These companies typically go through surges to upgrade equipment. At some point, a surge workforce is always going to be drawn down. Depending on how things are going, the work force might be drawn down and the surge period extended (same total work, by fewer workers, over longer time).
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Just like “treason,” there’s the book definition the courts would have to consider and/or prove, and then there’s the partisan definition for memes & gotcha’s.
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and here we go deficit 11B lower then projected, huge initiatives to train skilled trade workers unveiled as well
www.ctvnews.ca
Carney Liberals launching new skilled training strategy, deficit projected at $65.3B
In his first-ever spring economic update, Prime Minister Mark Carney is promising to spend billions on a strategy to train more skilled workers to help deliver on its plans to build big.
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More skilled trades is good.and here we go deficit 11B lower then projected, huge initiatives to train skilled trade workers unveiled as well
Carney Liberals launching new skilled training strategy, deficit projected at $65.3B
In his first-ever spring economic update, Prime Minister Mark Carney is promising to spend billions on a strategy to train more skilled workers to help deliver on its plans to build big.
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and here we go deficit 11B lower then projected, huge initiatives to train skilled trade workers unveiled as well
Carney Liberals launching new skilled training strategy, deficit projected at $65.3B
In his first-ever spring economic update, Prime Minister Mark Carney is promising to spend billions on a strategy to train more skilled workers to help deliver on its plans to build big.
Investing in the trades makes sense. We need people to build and maintain.
But I'll hold my praise until I see the proof in the pudding.
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