Liberal (Minority/Majority) Government 2025 - ???

[ArmyRick]

Lets look at the spins

Conservative MP been an MP for long time? Spinsters "He is a leach sucking off the public teat"

Liberal MP been an MP for a long time? "She/He is trusted by their constituents to keep representing them...blah, blah, blah"

Conservative MP as OPPOSITION criticizes Liberal Government "How about some cooperation in this time of need?/how dare they attack the government!"

Liberal MP criticizes the opposition Conservatives for doing their job "Maybe the conservatives should get on board and build Canada strong!" or some other horseshit line

Do I keep going on? You guys are judging the sitting GOVERNING party of the day with a much lower bar that you judge the official OPPOSITION for doing what they are supposed to do.

 

[Grunt_031]

Moving on from Brexit and British issues (whether Carney is to partially blame or blame free is a different and separate topic).

We all know I am a biased Conservative (at this time) ands I still support Pierre as leader, lets get that out of the way.

I see nothing encouraging from PM MC for the near future and the last year has been just as discouraging.

I still see big promises and very little returns. Even getting called out by main stream media for lackluster results. The sovereign wealth fund? Its not.

We all know the dog pile of issues going on here, don't need to list them. We have discussed the floor crossing issue and we can all agree its legal but we each have an opinion as to whether its ethical or not.

First thing Liberals do is move to get a majority in committees and then start shutting down committees immediately (or going "in camera" which means the public is not entitled to know what is going on). And the Carney messiah worshippers are ok with this? This is beyond alarming. The Liberals greatest weapon is the political ignorance of the Canadian public.

This rests squarely with the Leader of the Official Opposition. His leadership failure created the conditions that allowed an MP to cross the floor and signaled that further defections were possible. The consequence is straightforward: the Liberals now hold a majority and can advance their agenda. The opposition is relegated to protest and accountability efforts. The Liberals have three years to prove their direction works, after which the electorate will judge. This is no different from what we’ve seen with Smith in Alberta.

 

[brihard]

Regarding a potential cabinet shuffle- some prognosticating by Justin Ling of the Toronto Star, after some conversations with Liberal insiders. The talk seems to be 'needed, but not imminent'. Nothing earth shattering, just an interesting read to catch up on the RUMINT.

Justin Ling: I talked to Liberal insiders about Carney’s cabinet. It seems a shuffle can’t come soon enough

The prime minister's front bench has fared well, but the MPs and staffers I've spoken to agree it's time to make a change.

www.thestar.com

Non-paywall: https://archive.is/JuzOX

 

[Altair]

Why do people attack Pierre for being in politics for so damn long? He got ELECTED by his old riding 7 times and once by his new riding.

Considering some ridings haven't changed hands since before we were born that carries little weight.

Why do people make a stink out of this? Is there a limit to how many times a person can be elected? Career politician? So what? Liberal MP Heidi Frey been an MP for 33 years.

And if she ran and won the leadership i would say she has no real world experience and is a career politician.

And on making cabinet. How many MPs EVER make cabinet. And if you really want to compare experience, Carney has been an M for barely over a year while Pierre been one for over 20.

Thankfully Carney has a body of work outside of politics

 

[ArmyRick]

Lets go into details

His leadership failure created the conditions that allowed an MP to cross the floor and signaled that further defections were possible.

His leadership? Not one of the conservative MPs that crossed has directly stated it was Pierre's leadership. They all said it was better opportunities with the Liberals (or words to that effect) and/or "they spoke to their constituents" (sure they did).
Ever heard of an opportunist? And unless your inside their heads and reading their thoughts, you can not 100% say for sure why they crossed.

Everything else you typed totally skips over anything I typed. Its my point. WHY are people like you and the other 39,999,9999 other Canadians not holding the Liberals to account for their failures, failed promises and introduction of laws and bills no one asked for? Why?

 

[ArmyRick]

Considering some ridings haven't changed hands

Ummm, except Pierre's old riding did change hands. Last year in fact. Liberal guy name Bruce Fanjoy convinced the riding he was the better candidate.

 

[Altair]

Lets look at the spins

Conservative MP been an MP for long time? Spinsters "He is a leach sucking off the public teat"

Liberal MP been an MP for a long time? "She/He is trusted by their constituents to keep representing them...blah, blah, blah"

Nobody says this. I challenge you to find where someone here said that.

Conservative MP as OPPOSITION criticizes Liberal Government "How about some cooperation in this time of need?/how dare they attack the government!"

There is constructive criticism and criticism for criticisms sake. The CPC does far too much of the latter. Its like the boy who cried wolf. If you criticize everything how are people to know what criticism is valid?

Imagine a alternate universe where the CPC kept their powder dry until something really egregious happened? Then people would take notice. Instead the CPC criticizes the government and its just a Tuesday.

Liberal MP criticizes the opposition Conservatives for doing their job "Maybe the conservatives should get on board and build Canada strong!" or some other horseshit line

Do I keep going on? You guys are judging the sitting GOVERNING party of the day with a much lower bar that you judge the official OPPOSITION for doing what they are supposed to do.

That's the challenge of being the government in waiting. If they dont like it, hand it off to the ndp or something.

 

[Altair]

Ummm, except Pierre's old riding did change hands. Last year in fact. Liberal guy name Bruce Fanjoy convinced the riding he was the better candidate.

Sure, and you have some ridings in Montreal and alberta that haven't changed hands since since the 1950s

There is a saying that you could run a dead dog in some ridings and as long as they were of a certain party they would still win. So winning a riding means SFA to me

 

[ArmyRick]

On criticizing leadership, lets dive into that more deeply.

If I was still teaching military leadership course (I have taught new troops, JR NCOs and officer basics when in uniform), on leadership evaluations you have to have something to say such as
-Integrity (They say and do what they say they will and preach, as well as choosing to do the right thing at all times)
-Leadership by example (this one is self explanatory)
-Command presence (Leaders have to be bold, show confidence and a willingness to drive the team forward)
-Accountability (A leader must own their mistakes and errors, or the things they failed to do, they also take ownership of their team members and deal with it)
-Communication (a leader must be able to effectively communicate with their team and in this case, the voting public, the leader must also hear the legitimate concerns of their subordinates)
-Excellence (A leader must be highly proficient in their endeavors and seek to grow professionally, they must also help their team strive for excellence)
-Strengths and Limitations (A good leader must know themselves and their team members abilities and use them appropriately)
-Loyalty (A leader should demand loyalty and receive it from their team and also show loyalty to their team members in return)

Thats just a few things on leadership. This generic "Pierre's leadership sucks..." doesn't cut it with me or many others.

 

[ArmyRick]

Nobody says this. I challenge you to find where someone here said that.

Challenge all you want. People are saying that or words to that effect. Believe me or don't.

The CPC does far too much of the latter

In your OPINION.

something really egregious happened?

So green slush fund still not accounted for, arrive scam not really dealt with, still no deal with Trump, trying to make deals with China, pushing the wasted effort gun grab, still no real crime legislation pushed forward, GDP not doing well, deficit soaring past Trudeau's levels, what is "egregious" enough for you?

And you are doing it as well. You refuse to hold a magnifying glass on the Liberals promises and the results or lack there of.

 

[ArmyRick]

Sure, and you have some ridings in Montreal and alberta that haven't changed hands since since the 1950s

There is a saying that you could run a dead dog in some ridings and as long as they were of a certain party they would still win. So winning a riding means SFA to me

It means SFA to you, thats great. ridings do change hands at the most unexpected times. Ask Leslie Church how her victory in the Toronto St Paul's by election in 2024, ohhhhh, nope (she lost to Don Stewart CPC mostly because her riding hated Trudeau). Then 2025 and the Trump-Carney tag team did allow her to go as MP for said riding.

Winning each riding is literally the point of our elections.

 

[The Bread Guy]

Meanwhile, no entry for YOU, IRN officials ...

Canadian official backs up report that Iranian soccer chief was denied entry for FIFA event

Canadian Foreign Affairs Minister Anita Anand says it is her “understanding” that Iranian soccer officials were denied entry into her country ahead of the FIFA Congress meeting in Vancouver just weeks before the start of the World Cup.

apnews.com

... but maybe not ALL you IRN officials

Immigration minister says she’s accountable after former IRGC official granted a visa

Immigration Minister Lena Diab says she’s accountable after a former Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps official was granted a visa to visit Canada.

www.ctvnews.ca

 

[Altair]

It means SFA to you, thats great. ridings do change hands at the most unexpected times. Ask Leslie Church how her victory in the Toronto St Paul's by election in 2024, ohhhhh, nope (she lost to Don Stewart CPC mostly because her riding hated Trudeau). Then 2025 and the Trump-Carney tag team did allow her to go as MP for said riding.

Winning each riding is literally the point of our elections.

There are swing ridings, there are safe ridings, but i dont view winning a seat as anything to write home about.

As people annoyed by floor crossings say, people vote for parties. So what, I'm going to applauded someone winning their nomination battle?

There are many things I will applaud a person running for office for, but winning a seat multiple times doesn't doesnt do it for me.

 

[ArmyRick]

There are swing ridings, there are safe ridings, but i dont view winning a seat as anything to write home about.

As people annoyed by floor crossings say, people vote for parties. So what, I'm going to applauded someone winning their nomination battle?

There are many things I will applaud a person running for office for, but winning a seat multiple times doesn't doesnt do it for me.

No one cares if it impresses you or not. No one.

Career politician, held one cabinet post a

Like floor crossings, it is what it is. My point that you have skipped over is is that whats the big deal if someone gets elcted once or over and over again? You made it out like being a long serving politician is a big deal..

 

[Altair]

Challenge all you want. People are saying that or words to that effect. Believe me or don't.

In your OPINION.

So green slush fund still not accounted for, arrive scam not really dealt with, still no deal with Trump, trying to make deals with China, pushing the wasted effort gun grab, still no real crime legislation pushed forward, GDP not doing well, deficit soaring past Trudeau's levels, what is "egregious" enough for you?

And you are doing it as well. You refuse to hold a magnifying glass on the Liberals promises and the results or lack there of.

As I tell my wife sometimes when I'm feeling brave, if you complain about everything you're complaining about nothing.

 

[Altair]

No one cares if it impresses you or not. No one.



Like floor crossings, it is what it is. My point that you have skipped over is is that whats the big deal if someone gets elcted once or over and over again? You made it out like being a long serving politician is a big deal..

If PP is swinging at Carney over education and his body of work, he had better have something to point at in comparison.

Hes a career politician who has lived off the government dime for decades and done nothing worth writing home about.

He is best served not drawning attention to the issue.

 

[ytz]

But even worse, and I say this as kindly as I can muster... Who the hell is PP to say this?

I looked up bios on Wikipedia. In the time that PP did his Bachelor's, Carney finished his Master's and PhD from Oxford.

Like I said, if two people I personally knew had this kind of an exchange, I would think one of them a clown and it probably wouldn't be the guy who did the PhD.

 

[ArmyRick]

I looked up bios on Wikipedia. In the time that PP did his Bachelor's, Carney finished his Master's and PhD from Oxford.

Like I said, if two people I personally knew had this kind of an exchange, I would think one of them a clown and it probably wouldn't be the guy who did the PhD.

One has a more impressive resume than the other, so what?

When Pierre is right on the criticism of Carney's failed promises, predictions and actions, then who cares who has the PhD or not? Results matter.

Once again, your skipping over the results.

Deeds not words.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Me thinks Lena Diab (Immigration minister) is most likely on the way out if cabinet shuffle happens

She represents my riding...

 

[ArmyRick]

She represents my riding...

My sympathy for you.