Liberal (Minority/Majority) Government 2025 - ???

[Halifax Tar]

It always amazes me who we can all look at the very same picture and come away with so many different interpretations of it.

On a different note...

Now electoral reform never happened, but ask any parent if they would want tbeir CCB taken away and you would have a riot. Ask people if they want weed illegal again, same riot.

He lost me on electoral reform and then seemed to attack my way of life for the next decade after that. Electoral reform was a major blunder IMHO. And really Trudeau remained in power for a decade because since Harper no alternative from the CPC has been found. And this trend continues for the CPC. And the LPC also now have the assistance of the grand Cheeto south of the border.

 

[YZT580]

We certainly can.

On a whole, yes.

Eh. Everything works in cycles. Trudeau was needed for when he was needed, until he wasn't. Then the country needed a Progressive conservative and the LPC gave us that in Carney and here we are. I'm sure there will come a time when we need a NDP lite PM again.

Trudeau was never needed. But back to the main discussion point. In 2025 we accepted 482503 legal immigrants. We also accepted 393,750 temporary workers of which around 60,000 were for agriculture. So what group of people has left? There are many suggesting that it is the top of the food chain; the 1% wage earners and the professionals and there must be a lot of them to exceed 800000 coming in.

 

[Altair]

Trudeau was never needed.

My CCB checks and people who smoke legal marijuana say otherwise.

But back to the main discussion point. In 2025 we accepted 482503 legal immigrants.

Permanent resident targets were lowered from 500,000 to 380,000.

We also accepted 393,750 temporary workers of which around 60,000 were for agriculture. So what group of people has left?

Temporary foreign worker numbers went from 390k to 208k.

Interaction student numbers dropped from 293k to 115k.

The international student population in canada dropped from 1m to 700k.

Overall, we stopped bringing in many many many people and now we are actively shrinking and will continue to do so. Women have 1.3 kids per woman, that's nowhere near replacement. As more and more people leave and less and less immigrants come in we will start to sink like a stone in terms of population numbers.

There are many suggesting that it is the top of the food chain; the 1% wage earners and the professionals and there must be a lot of them to exceed 800000 coming in.

Yeah, this is not true.

 

[Jarnhamar]

People poo poo Trudeau all the time but his legacy will live on in some form or another.

Increased psychosis with teens. Housing affordability. Large-scale deficit spending and national debt increase. Immigration pressure and integration strain. Electoral reform failure. Western alienation and national unity strain. Public service strain and ridiculous consultancy. Job, sporting and property loss wiIth firearms. Foreign interference.

Lots of poo.

I agree CCB is nice though.

 

[Halifax Tar]

I agree CCB is nice though.

Good trade ?

 

[Humphrey Bogart]

I've never really known what all these benefit programs are. Well I know what they are but I don't have access to them. Taxes in this Country are ridiculous.

 

[QV]

I've never really known what all these benefit programs are. Well I know what they are but I don't have access to them. Taxes in this Country are ridiculous.

Probably why we lose a lot of top talent to the US. Salaries and taxes.

 

[daftandbarmy]

I've never really known what all these benefit programs are. Well I know what they are but I don't have access to them. Taxes in this Country are ridiculous.

Those closest to the tax harvesting machine seem to complain the least, so we know where you stand buddy

 

[YZT580]

My CCB checks and people who smoke legal marijuana say otherwise.

Permanent resident targets were lowered from 500,000 to 380,000.

Temporary foreign worker numbers went from 390k to 208k.

Interaction student numbers dropped from 293k to 115k.

The international student population in canada dropped from 1m to 700k.

Overall, we stopped bringing in many many many people and now we are actively shrinking and will continue to do so. Women have 1.3 kids per woman, that's nowhere near replacement. As more and more people leave and less and less immigrants come in we will start to sink like a stone in terms of population numbers.

Yeah, this is not true.

They may have reduced the targets but they sure didn't reduce the numbers as quoted previously. Legalized drugs what a wonderful legacy. It gives MADD a whole new target audience and if that is the best we can come up with for a legacy we would have been much better off without him. Student population number dropping is great. It gives kids who actually live in Canada a chance at a college or university education without having to have an 80% plus average out of H.S. Was in our local hospital today. Well over half of the visible staff are eastern Asian minorities. We have had a form of CCB since just after WW2. They have simply changed the name and increased the amount paid but they have been doing that all along it is no credit to Trudeau. Every time the government has needed to buy votes they have made an adjustment and that is all he did. If you want to give credit for it you need to go back to the 90s and Paul Martin when he was finance minister.

 

[Altair]

They may have reduced the targets but they sure didn't reduce the numbers as quoted previously.

Explain?

Legalized drugs what a wonderful legacy. It gives MADD a whole new target audience and if that is the best we can come up with for a legacy we would have been much better off without him.

Also means so many less canadians with criminal records with the consequences that come from that. Also frees up policing resources.

Student population number dropping is great. It gives kids who actually live in Canada a chance at a college or university education without having to have an 80% plus average out of H.S.

It is, but again, the tradeoff is the economic growth.

Was in our local hospital today. Well over half of the visible staff are eastern Asian minorities.

So?

We have had a form of CCB since just after WW2. They have simply changed the name and increased the amount paid but they have been doing that all along it is no credit to Trudeau.

The CCB before trudeau consisted of a lot of tax credits. Which implies, spend money to get money back. Which is really reallly bad when you dont have the money in the first place. So no, the CCB before Trudeau isn't at all the same.

Every time the government has needed to buy votes they have made an adjustment and that is all he did. If you want to give credit for it you need to go back to the 90s and Paul Martin when he was finance minister.

Poo poo on trudeau all you please, i just know that 20 years from now we will see his CCB in the current form or expanded and legal weed will still be around.

Legacy.

 

[QV]

Legacy.

Nah.

Blight, bane, scourge, generational curse.... Trudeau was a blight on this country. He left it far worse than it was and those problems are enduring.

 

[Altair]

Nah.

Blight, bane, scourge, generational curse.... Trudeau was a blight on this country. He left it far worse than it was and those problems are enduring.

Legacies can be mixed.

Mulrooney left the country broken to the point of breaking apart, but he also gave us NAFTA which despite Trumps best efforts, continues to live on in some form or another.

 

[YZT580]

Explain?

The numbers that I quoted from Stats Canada don't match the numbers that you quote. Our unemployment rate is 6.9 with 18000 lost jobs in April or does unemployment and welfare count as part of the GDP? If the unemployment rate was less than 5 there would be a valid argument for bringing in more people; especially professionals but with a loss of almost 100000 jobs in the past couple of months there are is no purpose in bringing people in just to put them on the welfare roles. We can't afford it.

Also means so many less canadians with criminal records with the consequences that come from that. Also frees up policing resources.

If you took Dangerous Driving out of the criminal code there would be a bunch of young men with no criminal record. So what? Not really a good reason to make something legal

It is, but again, the tradeoff is the economic growth.

Wait until your son is rejected because an individual from India had more cash for the tuition than you do and then went on to a staff position in a hospital or became your family doctor. Then come back and talk to me about how great it is.

So?


The CCB before trudeau consisted of a lot of tax credits. Which implies, spend money to get money back. Which is really reallly bad when you dont have the money in the first place. So no, the CCB before Trudeau isn't at all the same.

Like hell. What it did do was start disappearing as a family earned more money but its base rate was around 1600.

Poo poo on trudeau all you please, i just know that 20 years from now we will see his CCB in the current form or expanded and legal weed will still be around.

Actually you probably won't see the CCB in its present form if history has any say in the matter. It has been changed on average about every 10 years since its inception and that includes the title.

Legacy.

 

[Altair]

The numbers that I quoted from Stats Canada don't match the numbers that you quote. Our unemployment rate is 6.9 with 18000 lost jobs in April or does unemployment and welfare count as part of the GDP? If the unemployment rate was less than 5 there would be a valid argument for bringing in more people; especially professionals but with a loss of almost 100000 jobs in the past couple of months there are is no purpose in bringing people in just to put them on the welfare roles. We can't afford it.

If you took Dangerous Driving out of the criminal code there would be a bunch of young men with no criminal record. So what? Not really a good reason to make something legal

Wait until your son is rejected because an individual from India had more cash for the tuition than you do and then went on to a staff position in a hospital or became your family doctor. Then come back and talk to me about how great it is.

Like hell. What it did do was start disappearing as a family earned more money but its base rate was around 1600.

Actually you probably won't see the CCB in its present form if history has any say in the matter. It has been changed on average about every 10 years since its inception and that includes the title.

I was halfway to writing a response to this but as it progressively got more and more nonsensical I realized that for my own sanity, I'll just leave you to it.