Liberal (Minority/Majority) Government 2025 - ???

[YZT580]

Bold move, lets see if they follow though though.

PM Carney says it’s time to move beyond Indian Act

Mark Carney says he will instruct his ministers to work with First Nations to move Canada beyond the Indian Act, which could mean reforming it or abolishing it altogether.

www.ctvnews.ca

I can hear the drums being beaten now. They will all want their settlements before they agree to anything.

 

[RangerRay]

Bold move, lets see if they follow though though.

PM Carney says it’s time to move beyond Indian Act

Mark Carney says he will instruct his ministers to work with First Nations to move Canada beyond the Indian Act, which could mean reforming it or abolishing it altogether.

www.ctvnews.ca

Wab Kinew was more explicit.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/wab-kinew-indian-act-abolish-9.7396565

 

[lenaitch]

I can hear the drums being beaten now. They will all want their settlements before they agree to anything.

What has often struck me curious is through all of the conferences, conventions, agreements, etc. over many, many years, I don't recall if I've ever heard a call for abolishment from any FN or their NGOs. up until today. Wab characterizes it as a race-based identity, but it carries a lot with it, including First Nations Territories - those plots of land held in trust by the Crown for their "use and benefit" and boatloads of federal money to keep them operating. You can't have a status, benefit or consideration set apart from other Canadians without some form of legislation. It might well be an Indian Act by another name.

It will be interesting to see what the various visions are, considering that FNs are not a single bloc across the country.

 

[Brad Sallows]

You can't have a status, benefit or consideration set apart from other Canadians without some form of legislation.

Either there is one class of citizenship - as so many people opposed to Harper and some of Harper's citizenship ideas in 2015 demanded - or not.

 

[RedFive]

I think the MP should be re-scoped to be the basis for the SF, or at least roll them in together. SF can also do deployed ops security including the handling of PWs. SF should be much more than an idle guard on post... lots of high end duties and an easy to draft training/succession pathway into specialty fields for those with the aptitude, to manage this properly and fully for the CAF. Last I looked a long time ago, the MPs were about 1100 personnel strong. That's a damn good start to getting platoon sizes and company sizes into the right bases right off the bat. Not sure what the detachment size at Cold Lake is, but say it's already 30... add or subtract to that as needed and re-distribute pers to meet the security need. All SF would be purple trade and the operational arm under VCDS/DGDS/SF if that structure fits. It would be awesome.

I suspect you would lose most if not all those 1100 pers when the job they signed up for was pulled out from under them, they release and head to any one of the dozens of civilian police agencies currently hurting for bodies who are paying nearly double in some cases and situated in places that actually have a Costco nearby.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Bold move, lets see if they follow though though.

PM Carney says it’s time to move beyond Indian Act

Mark Carney says he will instruct his ministers to work with First Nations to move Canada beyond the Indian Act, which could mean reforming it or abolishing it altogether.

www.ctvnews.ca

Wab Kinew was more explicit.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/wab-kinew-indian-act-abolish-9.7396565

Ok. The balls on you PMMC!

 

[QV]

I suspect you would lose most if not all those 1100 pers when the job they signed up for was pulled out from under them, they release and head to any one of the dozens of civilian police agencies currently hurting for bodies who are paying nearly double in some cases and situated in places that actually have a Costco nearby.

Most or all? No. Some... even many, sure.

 

[foresterab]

What has often struck me curious is through all of the conferences, conventions, agreements, etc. over many, many years, I don't recall if I've ever heard a call for abolishment from any FN or their NGOs. up until today. Wab characterizes it as a race-based identity, but it carries a lot with it, including First Nations Territories - those plots of land held in trust by the Crown for their "use and benefit" and boatloads of federal money to keep them operating. You can't have a status, benefit or consideration set apart from other Canadians without some form of legislation. It might well be an Indian Act by another name.

It will be interesting to see what the various visions are, considering that FNs are not a single bloc across the country.

It's tough as there are alot of clauses in the Indian Act that have been revised over the years and then there are those that vary by application as the different Treaties also vary by agreeement.

So to your point there would need to be some form of legislation...but what is it.

Does it update the term "Indian" to that aligning with the Canadian Constitution and allow for Metis and Inuit? What level of descendent is considered "Indian" - 1/4? 1/8? 1/64? for the purposes of the Act.

What does the holder of a "Treaty Card" get entitled to when off reserve lands? Especially in the case of hunting and gathering vs. conservation? Do provincial boundaries then apply (currently not) as natural resources are provincial but post-date treaty.

Does it still prevent ownership of Reserve Lands (lease is however okay but not owning) which can limit both internal and external investment within Reserves?

Does it still require a form of leadership recognized by Canada (i.e. democratic and elected) vs. traditional leadership/hereditary leadership?

Education and Medical Care provisions which may not align with provincial levels? What happens if those clauses are removed and the funding handed straight to the province so all citizens, regardless of race, are funded equally?

Unfortunately I don't know the Indian Act legislation well so this is a subject that has a ton of nuances and clauses that would need to be examined by folks much better informed than me and would also need buy in from a large number of First Nation folks.

 

[Czech_pivo]

It's tough as there are alot of clauses in the Indian Act that have been revised over the years and then there are those that vary by application as the different Treaties also vary by agreeement.

So to your point there would need to be some form of legislation...but what is it.

Does it update the term "Indian" to that aligning with the Canadian Constitution and allow for Metis and Inuit? What level of descendent is considered "Indian" - 1/4? 1/8? 1/64? for the purposes of the Act.

What does the holder of a "Treaty Card" get entitled to when off reserve lands? Especially in the case of hunting and gathering vs. conservation? Do provincial boundaries then apply (currently not) as natural resources are provincial but post-date treaty.

Does it still prevent ownership of Reserve Lands (lease is however okay but not owning) which can limit both internal and external investment within Reserves?

Does it still require a form of leadership recognized by Canada (i.e. democratic and elected) vs. traditional leadership/hereditary leadership?

Education and Medical Care provisions which may not align with provincial levels? What happens if those clauses are removed and the funding handed straight to the province so all citizens, regardless of race, are funded equally?

Unfortunately I don't know the Indian Act legislation well so this is a subject that has a ton of nuances and clauses that would need to be examined by folks much better informed than me and would also need buy in from a large number of First Nation folks.

I foresee something along the size/scale and emotion of Meech Lake happening.

That didn't end well for Mulroney. This has the potential to be quite the Mill Stone around Carney's neck. To be honest, negotiations with Trump might be less troublesome.

 

[Haggis]

I foresee something along the size/scale and emotion of Meech Lake happening.

That didn't end well for Mulroney. This has the potential to be quite the Mill Stone around Carney's neck. To be honest, negotiations with Trump might be less troublesome.

The Trump administration will have to be involved in this as both nations have their own, similar, definitions of First Nations peoples and the amount of cross border movement by FN is substantial.

 

[MilEME09]

Norwegian company looking to lay new transatlantic data cable from europe to Canada. Would reduce reliance on US data infrastructure for both europe and Canada.

https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/data-centers/norwegian-undersea-cable-builder-pitches-2-800-mile-transatlantic-data-link-between-canada-and-europe-to-bypass-the-us-canadian-majority-partner-sought-to-help-fund-and-build-new-usd620-million-fiber-connection-to-reduce-reliance-on-american-routes