Liberal Spin Doctors Never Miss A Trick- Do They?
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Wes will need to answer this for certain, but I believe the Australian system works like this:
1. You can't get in the door unless you have certain skills which are in short supply (Liberal Arts Major is not on the list)
2. You have to post a bond of about $5000 AU (the figure I heard)
3. If you need social services, it comes out of that bond, NOT Australian tax revenues
4. If you or any member of your family is in trouble with the law (real trouble, not parking tickets), you are all deported
5. The bond and deportation conditions are good for five years.
If we instituted and enforced such a system, there would be a lot less hanky panky in the immigration system. As a bonus, I propose ALL people getting off the boat/plane be photographed and fingerprinted, to cut down on the "overstaying the Visa" trick.
1. You can't get in the door unless you have certain skills which are in short supply (Liberal Arts Major is not on the list)
2. You have to post a bond of about $5000 AU (the figure I heard)
3. If you need social services, it comes out of that bond, NOT Australian tax revenues
4. If you or any member of your family is in trouble with the law (real trouble, not parking tickets), you are all deported
5. The bond and deportation conditions are good for five years.
If we instituted and enforced such a system, there would be a lot less hanky panky in the immigration system. As a bonus, I propose ALL people getting off the boat/plane be photographed and fingerprinted, to cut down on the "overstaying the Visa" trick.
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That system is good, its a pity we dont have something like it here. However, if we did do something like that the bleeding hearts would be crying how this is a head tax and that the prospective immigrants rights under the charter would be violated and yada, yada, yada so even though it looks good I doubt it will ever come to Canada.
a_majoor, what happens if the social services the person needs goes beyond their bond? are they deported?
a_majoor, what happens if the social services the person needs goes beyond their bond? are they deported?
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I think I started this thread off wrong, in the sence of where I wanted to go with it.
I think what irks me about this whole thing is when and how did we let ourselves be "bought" with OUR money and not even bat an eye anymore?
This bill is not even on the rader four weeks ago and all of a sudden ...BAMN!....its the second coming!,...and we go ZZZZZZZZZ!
No matter what political stripe you are, this is simple spending the money of those live here now to get votes from those who live in another country right now,...and, it seems, no one cares.
I think what irks me about this whole thing is when and how did we let ourselves be "bought" with OUR money and not even bat an eye anymore?
This bill is not even on the rader four weeks ago and all of a sudden ...BAMN!....its the second coming!,...and we go ZZZZZZZZZ!
No matter what political stripe you are, this is simple spending the money of those live here now to get votes from those who live in another country right now,...and, it seems, no one cares.
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Diversionary Politics I believe it would be called. Sponsorship scandal, what sponsorship scandal, we're good immigrant loving Liberal goodies, we would never waste the money of the taxpayers. The constant flow of wasted money is sickening and there is no patch in sight. When the election is all said and done, what are the odds that the Liberals will not still be in charge, this is depressing. :-\
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Tom! I'm shocked you actually agreed with this... ...in principle even!? Wow. 
One thing you guys seem to either have forgotten, or failed to hear, is the fact that bringing your family over after you being here and/or becoming a citizen yourself has been going on for quite some time. There is a back log of cases over 100 thousand deep of just this instance, and the Liberal government is just saying that they are going to throw extra money at to try and move that back-log along quicker.
How many years is it going to take? MANY! And what does it really mean realistically to young Sahib trying to get his parents over here? Absolutly nothing as it will go to the bottem of the pile and he'll have to wait years.
So is it vote buying? You bet. Its a ploy to take some of the heat off the Liberals from the Ad scam. Nothing more.
Is it something to worry about? Not a chance. It means they add a few more bodies in the civil service and the paper work gets deeper.
One thing you guys seem to either have forgotten, or failed to hear, is the fact that bringing your family over after you being here and/or becoming a citizen yourself has been going on for quite some time. There is a back log of cases over 100 thousand deep of just this instance, and the Liberal government is just saying that they are going to throw extra money at to try and move that back-log along quicker.
How many years is it going to take? MANY! And what does it really mean realistically to young Sahib trying to get his parents over here? Absolutly nothing as it will go to the bottem of the pile and he'll have to wait years.
So is it vote buying? You bet. Its a ploy to take some of the heat off the Liberals from the Ad scam. Nothing more.
Is it something to worry about? Not a chance. It means they add a few more bodies in the civil service and the paper work gets deeper.
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a_majoor said:
What good is fingerprinting and photographing? Currently anyone designated for deportation goes into CPIC anyway, and even if you did issue a deportation order, how would you verify compliance without escorting every individual to the aircraft.
The issue is something else Australia has: exit controls. But whenever you mention that the word "dictatorship" gets thrown out.
Zipper has nailed the real problem, and the real cynical Liberal reason for it. Did anyone notice the bunch of ethnic/immigrant protesters against same-sex marriage at the announcement of the new immigration policy? The Liberals are losing their ability to snow people. They probably don't realise that immigrants are probably way more socially conservative than the average Bay Street banker.
Acorn
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Acorn said:
Which is why the Liberals are playing with fire WRT the gay-marriage issue, too.
I still think that if Pushpinder and Jugdish want to bring their grandparents over, hey, why not.
My family got off the boat in 1820 or so, but I don't believe in the "nobody in after me" philosophy.
I once lived in a three bedroom apartment in Kurzell, near Lahr. Three Cdn Sergeants - single - living in a three bedroom apartment (think of the poverty...). I was the only one born in Canada. The others were born in Frankfurt and east-end London. The landlady thought that was a hoot.
One of them had a rather droll saying in Canada: "My family has had trouble with immigrants since we came to this country." Always a crack-up.
I think immigration is great - but lets not rob Elbonia of Medical Doctors so we can have them driving cabs in Kapuskasing.
Tom
My family got off the boat in 1820 or so, but I don't believe in the "nobody in after me" philosophy.
I once lived in a three bedroom apartment in Kurzell, near Lahr. Three Cdn Sergeants - single - living in a three bedroom apartment (think of the poverty...). I was the only one born in Canada. The others were born in Frankfurt and east-end London. The landlady thought that was a hoot.
One of them had a rather droll saying in Canada: "My family has had trouble with immigrants since we came to this country." Always a crack-up.
I think immigration is great - but lets not rob Elbonia of Medical Doctors so we can have them driving cabs in Kapuskasing.
Tom
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Very politically correct TCBF, but I agree in principle.
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I saw On the New VR news yesterday that the liberals also making improvements in the military they plan on adding 2 new destroyers and 1 battle ship I believe, they are also planing on making the JTF2 into a larger operation that would be more like US special forces, they also said that they are looking for hi-tech transport choppers to transport the JTF2 from place to place......But people are saying that this is just a tactic to keep the liberals in power but many people believe if the some how keep power they won't follow thu with what they promissed.
just thought that I add that.
just thought that I add that.
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I think that the Liberals are teatering on the brink and doin anything they can to avoid falling over the edge. I don't know if who comes next will be better, but I'm willing to wait and see...Personally I've had enough of a bunch of theives in positions where our government should be. 
Liberals out!
Slim
Liberals out!
Slim
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that is a great metaphor for our Government
I think we should put a really small party into power ....... that way there isn't many people that can corrupt the government
I also read that the Libs are trying to lower voting age ....cus you know the Libs are tight with the teens in this country .....and they need every vote they can get .... :-\
I am 16 and I personally think that they should leave the voting age the same..... I don't think that the majority of 16 year olds are mature enough to make an educated vote that will effect them for the next 4 years ..... just my thoughts tho
I think we should put a really small party into power ....... that way there isn't many people that can corrupt the government
I also read that the Libs are trying to lower voting age ....cus you know the Libs are tight with the teens in this country .....and they need every vote they can get .... :-\
I am 16 and I personally think that they should leave the voting age the same..... I don't think that the majority of 16 year olds are mature enough to make an educated vote that will effect them for the next 4 years ..... just my thoughts tho
PMO staff have been planning a General Election since November 2004. The Liberal Party are past
masters at "winning" elections and are focused on the constituencies where they have strength
and weakness. The Atlantic region has only two vulnerable seats, Dartmouth HRM ( a swing seat)
and Saint John NB (another swing seat with an encumbered new MP). The Liberals feel they will
retain their Quebec seats, and win virtually all the Ontario seats. The general feeling I get when
talking to party flunkies is that they have written off Manitoba, Saskatchewan and Alberta (their
attitude; "who cares") - the main Western focus is on BC where every day is Christmas Day and
they talked the Premier of BC into a provincial election. I think the Liberal flunkies may be right
-a Liberal majority government - say that to the ivory tower media, they go ballistic, but nobody
in the "natural ruling party" gives a shit about the media in any event. A thought from MacLeod.
masters at "winning" elections and are focused on the constituencies where they have strength
and weakness. The Atlantic region has only two vulnerable seats, Dartmouth HRM ( a swing seat)
and Saint John NB (another swing seat with an encumbered new MP). The Liberals feel they will
retain their Quebec seats, and win virtually all the Ontario seats. The general feeling I get when
talking to party flunkies is that they have written off Manitoba, Saskatchewan and Alberta (their
attitude; "who cares") - the main Western focus is on BC where every day is Christmas Day and
they talked the Premier of BC into a provincial election. I think the Liberal flunkies may be right
-a Liberal majority government - say that to the ivory tower media, they go ballistic, but nobody
in the "natural ruling party" gives a shit about the media in any event. A thought from MacLeod.
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jmacleod said:
You should tell the party flunkies that you are talking to that BC now has fixed election dates (2nd Tuesday in May, four years after the previous election = May 17, 2005), which was agreed-to by bothl of the major parties.
The fixed election date was a strategic plan by, guess who? The Liberal's would like fixed election
dates in the national and provincial sectors, particularly in Ontario and Quebec - has been talked
about in Liberal Party confrences, meetings and drunk ups for years. Liberal Federal and Provincial
Parties share the same goals, people, money and strategy - their philosophy is winning the election
period. I grew up in a Liberal family (two MP's and a Senator) - in the period 1870's, they along
with other immigrants, unacceptable to the Tory establishment in NS, founded the Liberal Party.
To them Politics, emphasized "Politics" is not a game. Martin's real problem is that too many of
his flunkies and advisors have no roots in the Liberal party, which has cost Prime Minister Martin
dearly. He will not survive as leader, regardless of the outcome of a Federal election - the fact is
that new potential leaders are being evaluated as I write this - regards, MacLeod
dates in the national and provincial sectors, particularly in Ontario and Quebec - has been talked
about in Liberal Party confrences, meetings and drunk ups for years. Liberal Federal and Provincial
Parties share the same goals, people, money and strategy - their philosophy is winning the election
period. I grew up in a Liberal family (two MP's and a Senator) - in the period 1870's, they along
with other immigrants, unacceptable to the Tory establishment in NS, founded the Liberal Party.
To them Politics, emphasized "Politics" is not a game. Martin's real problem is that too many of
his flunkies and advisors have no roots in the Liberal party, which has cost Prime Minister Martin
dearly. He will not survive as leader, regardless of the outcome of a Federal election - the fact is
that new potential leaders are being evaluated as I write this - regards, MacLeod
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