Liberals Censure debate on C-11 Censorship Bill

[CBH99]

Uhhh, I have criticised Trudeau? I've also never voted for a Trudeau liberal.

All I'm doing is trying to play the reasonable sober voice of reason.

What I see is a true blooded Canadian who shares the same values AND weaknesses as many other Canadian. His biggest personal flaw is his arrogance, but most of the other crap, IMO, is the result of the corruption that comes with having power that would effect all Canadians, not because he is somehow the most vile and morally Corrupt and traiterous person to ever walk the earth (which he's made out to look like some on.

What I mean is that I think ANY Canadian would be pulling the same kind of crap you just listed if they were PM, even if it was one of you people (let he who is without sin cast the first stone).

Also, @CBH99, I'm really trying to find time to reply to you. Thanks for your patience, lol.

Hey man, I haven't had time to post any of the links I said I would!! Life comes first, no rush!!

I did want to quickly say I appreciate the civility you bring to the conversation also!


A voice of calm reason that views a certain situation or event from a different perspective is valued & appreciated

 

[Jarnhamar]

Edit: I thought of a better closing line:
"No no no. You were right! Dangerous indeed. But the guy who threw his Tim Hortons cup out his window while speeding through my neighbourhood in his pick-up truck with his "F*CK Trudeau" bumper sticker and who's never read a book in his life, he's ok! Because he voted conservative."

Is that person a True Canadian or no?

 

[Furniture]

Edit: I thought of a better closing line:
"No no no. You were right! Dangerous indeed. But the guy who threw his Tim Hortons cup out his window while speeding through my neighbourhood in his pick-up truck with his "F*CK Trudeau" bumper sticker and who's never read a book in his life, he's ok! Because he voted conservative."

Interesting that you sink to this level, while claiming to be "devil's advocate" to encourage spirited debate.

Has "he" never read a book, or has he never read a book you approve of?

Are all people who drive trucks and disagree with you illiterate, or just those with colourful bumper stickers? Do my CCFR bumper stickers include me in the illiterate crowd, or do I need a "F*CK TRUDEAU" bumper sticker to really be beneath contempt?

Is littering the defining characteristic by which we judge all people, if so, how long ago is the littering considered acceptable? I saw my father litter back in '98, does that mean the books he read no longer count?

 

[Fishbone Jones]

The bill is, at face value, designed to ensure the continued survival of Canadian content. It was easy when the only way to make "successful" content was to have a high quality production studio. Now, however, lots of people with nothing more than their cell phones and/or a half-decent computer can make highly successful content. So, in this case, either: a. the LPC really just believes that this is a morally acceptable way of protecting Canadian content, or b. the LPC is trying to give the CRTC more power, which would be corruption, but since the LPC knows they don't have too many years before the CPC takes over, what's the point?

I'll post the video when I find it. Poliviere in Question Period, on C-11. I'll be paraphrasing.

It's a 15 page Bill. In that total of 15 pages, Canadian Content is not mentioned. Not once. You'd think a Bill designed for protecting Canadian Content would at least define it and call it that. They've left the barn door wide open to personal interpretation. In otherwords, they can censor anything they want.

Define Canadian Content

Everything on the internet posted by a Canadian is Canadian Content. No fancy equipment or editing needed. Type it, post it, Canadian Content.
The Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission (CRTC) is an independent public authority in charge of regulating and supervising Canadian broadcasting and telecommunications. The internet and world wide web are neither broadcasting (radio and TV) or telecommunications (maybe if your using dialup) *Their mandate likely requires modification before they can enforce the internet (my comment)

There’s more, I believe, but Ill have to find the video.

 

[Lumber]

Is that person a True Canadian or no?

Yes! The minute we start stripping away the citizenship (morally, not literally) of people simple because they have vices is the moment we because a fascist state.

 

[Lumber]

Interesting that you sink to this level, while claiming to be "devil's advocate" to encourage spirited debate.

Has "he" never read a book, or has he never read a book you approve of?

Are all people who drive trucks and disagree with you illiterate, or just those with colourful bumper stickers? Do my CCFR bumper stickers include me in the illiterate crowd, or do I need a "F*CK TRUDEAU" bumper sticker to really be beneath contempt?

Is littering the defining characteristic by which we judge all people, if so, how long ago is the littering considered acceptable? I saw my father litter back in '98, does that mean the books he read no longer count?

You're missing the point BIG TIME. I was called "dangerous" simply because I have the audacity to give credit where it' s due and push back on criticism of Trudeau if I think it's flawed (also I think he thought I voted liberal). I created this fictitious mongrel only as a juxtaposition to that claim. I wasn't Implying that EVERYONE who drives a pick up or has a F*Tr bumper sticker is illiterate, just this specific fictitious person.

 

[Lumber]

.It's a 15 page Bill. In that total of 15 pages, Canadian Content is not mentioned. Not once.

From Bill C-11:

"(o) programming that reflects the Indigenous cultures of Canada and programming that is in Indigenous languages should be provided — including through broadcasting undertakings that are carried on by Indigenous persons —"

"(r) online undertakings shall clearly promote and recommend Canadian programming, in both official languages as well as in Indigenous languages"

"(e) facilitates the provision to Canadians of Canadian programs created and produced in both official languages, including those created and produced by official language minority communities in Canada, as well as in Indigenous languages;"

 

[brihard]

The Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission (CRTC) is an independent public authority in charge of regulating and supervising Canadian broadcasting and telecommunications. The internet and world wide web are neither broadcasting (radio and TV) or telecommunications (maybe if your using dialup)

The internet and WWW absolutely fall under “telecommunications”, FWIW,

From the definitions section of the Telecommunications Act: “telecommunications means the emission, transmission or reception of intelligence by any wire, cable, radio, optical or other electromagnetic system, or by any similar technical system;”

“intelligence means signs, signals, writing, images, sounds or intelligence of any nature”

So absolutely internet services and content would fall within the scope of anything broadly addressing “telecommunications”. It’s not at all limited to legacy land line analog phone service.

 

[Kat Stevens]

This just in. Planeloads of experts from China arrive in Ottawa to help the CRTC implement C-11 and ensure wholesome Canadian content of the interwebs.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

I'll post the video when I find it. Poliviere in Question Period, on C-11. I'll be paraphrasing.

It's a 15 page Bill. In that total of 15 pages, Canadian Content is not mentioned. Not once. You'd think a Bill designed for protecting Canadian Content would at least define it and call it that. They've left the barn door wide open to personal interpretation. In otherwords, they can censor anything they want.

Define Canadian Content

Everything on the internet posted by a Canadian is Canadian Content. No fancy equipment or editing needed. Type it, post it, Canadian Content.
The Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission (CRTC) is an independent public authority in charge of regulating and supervising Canadian broadcasting and telecommunications. The internet and world wide web are neither broadcasting (radio and TV) or telecommunications (maybe if your using dialup) *Their mandate likely requires modification before they can enforce the internet (my comment)

There’s more, I believe, but Ill have to find the video.

Here's the video

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[Jarnhamar]

Yes! The minute we start stripping away the citizenship (morally, not literally) of people simple because they have vices is the moment we because a fascist state.

I completely agree with you. Trudeau and Freeland aren't shy about accusing people
with differing views of being un-Canadian.

 

[Spencer100]

This just in. Planeloads of experts from China arrive in Ottawa to help the CRTC implement C-11 and ensure wholesome Canadian content of the interwebs.

Will they be staying on to implement the social credit system or is that a different team?

I just wish Justin and Co.oany would just stand up in tbe house and say We are going implement the full Great Reset. You'll love it....you will not miss your freedom, money or free will....its going to be great.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Well that didn't take long. Another dictatorial edict from the red and orange liberals that is already showing the flaws caused by socialist politicians This is what happens when you let your freedoms slide bit by bit. I don't have a lot of time for Zuckerberg, but our typical politicians would rather blame FB. Rather than reflect on the bad laws they pass at the behest of a criminal leader.

Canada demands Meta lift 'reckless' ban on news to allow fires info to be shared

The Canadian government on Friday demanded that Meta lift a 'reckless' ban on domestic news from its platforms to allow people to share information about wildfires in the west of the country.

www.ctvnews.ca

 

[Jarnhamar]

Hasn't Trudeau already blamed the CPC on the account of them being friendly with big corporations?

 

[Brad Sallows]

You broke it, you bought it, Liberals. Don't start f*cking whining now about foreseeable unintended ill consequences of your actions. Amend it or repeal it and do it over after thinking it through some more. Remember, whatever your relative paltry few tiny ideologically blinkered dogmatic inflexible arrogant interfering busybody minds can come up with is going to be subjected to the considered creative motivated responses of at least thousands of people, many of them much more intelligent and widely informed than you can ever hope to be.

 

[Eaglelord17]

Another thing I just realized about this stupid law is it wants companies like Facebook to negotiate with news companies for their compensation. What if hypothetically Facebook decides to only negotiate with a couple news organizations but not others. Could result in a very biased viewing of news beyond what already exists out there.

 

[Kirkhill]

Another thing I just realized about this stupid law is it wants companies like Facebook to negotiate with news companies for their compensation. What if hypothetically Facebook decides to only negotiate with a couple news organizations but not others. Could result in a very biased viewing of news beyond what already exists out there.

I've said this a few times before I think. Bias is. I much prefer if people declare their biases. I will then apply my own personal, biased, discount.

 

[Good2Golf]

Well that didn't take long. Another dictatorial edict from the red and orange liberals that is already showing the flaws caused by socialist politicians This is what happens when you let your freedoms slide bit by bit. I don't have a lot of time for Zuckerberg, but our typical politicians would rather blame FB. Rather than reflect on the bad laws they pass at the behest of a criminal leader.

Canada demands Meta lift 'reckless' ban on news to allow fires info to be shared

The Canadian government on Friday demanded that Meta lift a 'reckless' ban on domestic news from its platforms to allow people to share information about wildfires in the west of the country.

www.ctvnews.ca

The title of the article should factually be titled:

“Canada demands Meta stop obeying Canadian law.”

Joseph Goebbels would be proud of Propaganda Heritage Minister St-Onge.

 

[Kirkhill]

Horse has left the barn....

Social media companies are receding from their role as watchdogs against political misinformation, abandoning their most aggressive efforts to police online falsehoods in a trend expected to profoundly affect the 2024 presidential election.

An array of circumstances is fueling the retreat: Mass layoffs at Meta and other major tech companies have gutted teams dedicated to promoting accurate information online propaganda. An aggressive legal battle over claims that the Biden administration pressured social media platforms to silence certain speech has blocked a key path to detecting election interference.

In the Washington Post - organ of The Establishment.

MSN

Funny thing about making judgements. Judges are only worth their pay if both the accuser and the defender trust them. It is more important that judges be respected by their community than that they have special knowledge or qualifications. The same goes for any arbitrator - bureaucrat, president, king or priest - or editor.

 

[Kirkhill]

But the fight continues

https://twitter.com/x/status/1694758026690056555

As for Soros’ Open Society Foundations, its spokesperson cleverly tucked a call for expanded censorship into her response to our queries.After saying, “Addressing hate speech does not mean limiting or prohibiting freedom of speech,” the spokesperson said, “It means keeping hate speech from escalating into something more dangerous, particularly incitement to discrimination, hostility, and violence, which is prohibited under international law” [emphasis added].“Keeping hate speech from escalating into something more dangerous” is precisely the justification for censorship that politicians in Ireland and Scotland are making to be able to invade people’s homes and confiscate their phones and computers, as Irish reporter Ben Scallan described yesterday.Consider the twisted logic. Irish police must invade people’s homes in order to make sure that their hate materials don’t escalate into something that could be illegal. That’s a totalitarian move toward the police enforcing “precrime,” as depicted in the terrifying science fiction thriller, “Minority Report.”