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Marine Corps creates law enforcement battalions
July 22, 2012 Associated Press
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CAMP PENDLETON, Calif. –  The Marine Corps has created its first law enforcement battalions — a lean, specialized force of military police officers that it hopes can quickly deploy worldwide to help investigate crimes from terrorism to drug trafficking and train fledgling security forces in allied nations.

The Corps activated three such battalions last month. Each is made up of roughly 500 military police officers and dozens of dogs. The Marine Corps has had police battalions off and on since World War II but they were primarily focused on providing security, such as accompanying fuel convoys or guarding generals on visits to dangerous areas, said Maj. Jan Durham, commander of the 1st Law Enforcement Battalion at Camp Pendleton.

The idea behind the law enforcement battalions is to consolidate the military police and capitalize on their investigative skills and police training, he said. The new additions come as every branch in the military is trying to show its flexibility and resourcefulness amid defense cuts.

Marines have been increasingly taking on the role of a street cop along with their combat duties over the past decade in Iraq and Afghanistan, where they have been in charge of training both countries' security forces. Those skills now can be used as a permanent part of the Marine Corps, Durham said.

The war on terror has also taught troops the importance of learning how to gather intelligence, secure evidence and assist local authorities in building cases to take down criminal networks. Troops have gotten better at combing raid sites for clues to help them track insurgents.

They also have changed their approach, realizing that marching into towns to show force alienates communities. Instead, they are being taught to fan out with interpreters to strike up conversations with truck drivers, money exchangers, cellphone sellers and others. The rapport building can net valuable information that could even alert troops about potential attacks.
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Cool. So when are they going to being seriously muckling onto their gang problem within the military? Seems they have a house of their own to put in order first...
 
While I don't usually lump myself in with the tin-foil hat wearing crowd, some of their concerns about the US becoming an avertly police state are quite justified.

Under the NDAA, Patriot Act, etc etc - ad nauseum a ton of other recent legislation - the government certainly has created a very strong legal framework to expand the powers of law enforcement, and bring the US military into a domestic policing role.  (Hence the creation of a battalion last year specifically for domestic use.)

Also, if you listen to several interviews done with sitting senators & congressmen in 2008 and since, many of them have flat out stated that they had no choice but to pass various bills & legislation, under the threat of martial law.  (2 sitting members actually spoke about this on the floor of Congress, on live national TV.)


So while I don't lump myself in with the tin-foil hat wearing crowd too often, I wouldn't shrug off their concerns so casually either.  FEMA camps, anyone?
 
Far from me to try and figure out the US of A military's thinking, but IMHO, if you wish to help fledging nations police forces to develop and learn, I would think that civilian police would be better.

The way Canada does it, sending RCMP officers, Provincial and municipal police officer volunteers, seems more appropriate. Military police presence would tend do to two things I don't like: First, it looks like an occupation force, not a friendly loan; second, it sends the message to local population that their own government is getting ready to become a military dictatorship (if it isn't already the case).

The announced logic of "helping to investigate crimes from terrorism to drug trafficking" does not make sense to me. If I was a friendly foreign nation and needed investigative assistance from the USA, I would probably ask for FBI or DEA assistance or help from, say NYPD or LAPD detectives. Most likely all more productive cooperation agencies.   
 
CBH99 said:
...many of them have flat out stated that they had no choice but to pass various bills & legislation, under the threat of martial law.  (2 sitting members actually spoke about this on the floor of Congress, on live national TV.)
Could you provide a source for that? I didn't have any luck, since the political rhetoric of electioneering decries pretty much every US bill as introducing Martial Law.
 
Oldgateboatdriver said:
I would probably ask for FBI or DEA assistance or help from, say NYPD or LAPD detectives. Most likely all more productive cooperation agencies.   

Maybe thats who they will be investigating......[even more tinfoil please]
 
GAP said:
Marine Corps creates law enforcement battalions
July 22, 2012 Associated Press
Article Link

CAMP PENDLETON, Calif. –  The Marine Corps has created its first law enforcement battalions — a lean, specialized force of military police officers that it hopes can quickly deploy worldwide to help investigate crimes from terrorism to drug trafficking and train fledgling security forces in allied nations.

The Corps activated three such battalions last month. Each is made up of roughly 500 military police officers and dozens of dogs. The Marine Corps has had police battalions off and on since World War II but they were primarily focused on providing security, such as accompanying fuel convoys or guarding generals on visits to dangerous areas, said Maj. Jan Durham, commander of the 1st Law Enforcement Battalion at Camp Pendleton.

The idea behind the law enforcement battalions is to consolidate the military police and capitalize on their investigative skills and police training, he said. The new additions come as every branch in the military is trying to show its flexibility and resourcefulness amid defense cuts.

Marines have been increasingly taking on the role of a street cop along with their combat duties over the past decade in Iraq and Afghanistan, where they have been in charge of training both countries' security forces. Those skills now can be used as a permanent part of the Marine Corps, Durham said.

The war on terror has also taught troops the importance of learning how to gather intelligence, secure evidence and assist local authorities in building cases to take down criminal networks. Troops have gotten better at combing raid sites for clues to help them track insurgents.

They also have changed their approach, realizing that marching into towns to show force alienates communities. Instead, they are being taught to fan out with interpreters to strike up conversations with truck drivers, money exchangers, cellphone sellers and others. The rapport building can net valuable information that could even alert troops about potential attacks.
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Oh great, all the barrack room lawyers are now in one place  ::)
 
Law enforcement requires knowledge of how to use both the carrot and the stick - and the Marines I knew were all stick.  Hard to imagine this concept working...






 
Somewhat :off topic: but ...

My suspicion is that providing police training and mentoring is premature, at best, until and unless we help a country with its legal and justice systems, first. And legal and justice systems require year and years, indeed generations to develop, and even after a great length of time and much effort the host country's culture might militate against our help - in legal/justice or police systems.
 
Bruce Monkhouse said:
Maybe thats who they will be investigating......[even more tinfoil please]

I'm buying shares in aluminum foil..... :Tin-Foil-Hat:
 
CBH99 said:
So while I don't lump myself in with the tin-foil hat wearing crowd too often, I wouldn't shrug off their concerns so casually either.  FEMA camps, anyone?

Please tell me more about these FEMA camps. ;D
 
E.R. Campbell said:
Somewhat :off topic: but ...

My suspicion is that providing police training and mentoring is premature, at best, until and unless we help a country with its legal and justice systems, first. And legal and justice systems require year and years, indeed generations to develop, and even after a great length of time and much effort the host country's culture might militate against our help - in legal/justice or police systems.

Perhaps to celebrate the War of 1812, they are copying our paramilitary constabulary.  Next they will have a Musical Ride.      [mountie] ;D
 
Anybody here heard of the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878?

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1385

It expressly prohibits the use of the US Army or Air Force as a law enforcement agency within the United States.

Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army or the Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.

Now, the Navy and Marine Corps are not mentioned in the act, but are covered by a DOD directive creating the same prohibition. The Coast Guard, being part of DHS is exempt. The National Guard falls into a gray area, being both a state and federal entity.

More here:

http://www.history.navy.mil/library/online/posse%20comit.htm

So it's highly unlikely that there will be a military take over of the country any time soon.

(or am I deluding myself? Hmmm.... :Tin-Foil-Hat: )
 
cupper said:
Anybody here heard of the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878?

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1385

It expressly prohibits the use of the US Army or Air Force as a law enforcement agency within the United States.

Now, the Navy and Marine Corps are not mentioned in the act, but are covered by a DOD directive creating the same prohibition. The Coast Guard, being part of DHS is exempt. The National Guard falls into a gray area, being both a state and federal entity.

More here:

http://www.history.navy.mil/library/online/posse%20comit.htm

So it's highly unlikely that there will be a military take over of the country any time soon.

(or am I deluding myself? Hmmm.... :Tin-Foil-Hat: )


Given the current state of the US, thanks to a series of less than stellar presidents and inept congresses, the DoD is, probably, too smart to want to take over.
 
If I'm not mistaken - the NDAA effectively nulls and voids Posse Comitatus.  (99% sure)

As for the links you were looking for regarding congress, re: martial law, I'll include what I can find below.  I'll add a few more later when I have some time.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaG9d_4zij8


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjL3EYQiYIU&feature=related
 
All the NDAA (National Defense Authorization Act) does is allocate the budget and expenditures of the Defense Department.

A new act is authorized each year.

So far, none have nullified Posse Comitatus, and I'd doubt that you ever will see it happen.
 
While there are probably many valid, well thought out, military reasons for the USMC to create these units, I suspect that one major reason is the never ending Marine imperative - how to keep from getting overshadowed (with subsequent funding reductions) by the Army.  The Marine Corps are very good at "blowing shit up" and during times of increased "blowing shit up" there is little talk of cutting their strength or budget.  But as military operations transition to a more constabulary and training mode, there will probably be more initiatives that will highlight capabilities beyond "blowing shit up".

Is there some diabolical, political motive behind the creation of "law enforcement battalions"?  In my opinion, probably, but (contrary to some of the tinfoil hatters) the aim is not to surplant civilian authority, but to suck up to Congress so they don't forget them at budget time.
 
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