Maritime Coastal Defence Vessels (MCDVs)

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[Colin Parkinson]

I see the marine drones being quite effective in areas like the SW Pacific region, Red Sea, portions of the Med and parts of the African coasts. I suspect their effectiveness drops sharply in deep water portions of the ocean. and areas of poor weather, high sea states.

 

[Kirkhill]

I see the marine drones being quite effective in areas like the SW Pacific region, Red Sea, portions of the Med and parts of the African coasts. I suspect their effectiveness drops sharply in deep water portions of the ocean. and areas of poor weather, high sea states.

Ghost Shark operates for up to 10 days autonomously at depths up to 6000 meters (not a misprint).

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Ghost Shark operates for up to 10 days autonomously at depths up to 6000 meters (not a misprint).

Collecting intel, it would have to surface or get close to the surface to get orders to engage if it's even armed.

 

[Kirkhill]

Collecting intel, it would have to surface or get close to the surface to get orders to engage if it's even armed.

How about releasing smaller communications uuvs for flash transmissions? Maybe even recovering them?

 

[Colin Parkinson]

How about releasing smaller communications uuvs for flash transmissions? Maybe even recovering them?

Underwater comms is a huge issue and don't thing to many navies are ok with releasing a UAV to hunt whatever it finds. That could end badly. What could happen down the line is that these devices have recordings of various targets and if it confirms the sound as a previously identified target in a "Killbox", it might have the pre-authorization to attack.

 

[GR66]

Underwater comms is a huge issue and don't thing to many navies are ok with releasing a UAV to hunt whatever it finds. That could end badly. What could happen down the line is that these devices have recordings of various targets and if it confirms the sound as a previously identified target in a "Killbox", it might have the pre-authorization to attack.

Autonomous "Killing" faces lots of technical (and ethical) hurdles but autonomous "Hunting" should be a much lower bar to achieve.

We have manned systems that are capable of engaging targets (of course we could always use more) so to my mind our focus should be on autonomous sensor nodes to improve our domain awareness and feed targets to our manned systems. The technological and financial hurdles are much lower and the payoff can come much more quickly.

 

[IKnowNothing]

Autonomous "Killing" faces lots of technical (and ethical) hurdles but autonomous "Hunting" should be a much lower bar to achieve.

We have manned systems that are capable of engaging targets (of course we could always use more) so to my mind our focus should be on autonomous sensor nodes to improve our domain awareness and feed targets to our manned systems. The technological and financial hurdles are much lower and the payoff can come much more quickly.

Drone based 21st century evolution of SOSUS/SURTASS

 

[Rainbow1910]

Vard released a new advertisement in the newest edition of Canadian Defence Review and it featured an updated Vigilance variant alongside the "current" model we've had for over a year. Given how aggressively Vard has pushed Vigilance and how they seem to have a finger on the pulse of the CMMC program, I thought it would be interesting to look into what can be seen in this graphic. Take this with a large dose of salt as this is the first place this new "Vigilance 100" design has been seen to my knowledge, and this is very much a "reading the tea leaves" exercise with a somewhat sketchy graphic.

TLDR: Bigger design (either right on or far above the NSS 1,000t light limit) with organic helicopter capability, same sensor suite as previous Vigilance designs, moving away from the previous mission deck aft and likely implementing some kind of VLS aboard.

I mentioned Vard 100 back in February however, Noah has posted new information from CANSEC 2025 regarding this offering from Vard as part of the Vigilance family. Credit goes to them and their original post can be found below.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1928269719066350022

Detailed specifications were not listed however, I will include what was listed here alongside a quote back to my original comment. It seems the vague hull form and dimensions might be the same as the older Vard 7 100 design however, the upperworks and likely much of the internals has been changed significantly.

• 57mm main gun
• 16 strike length Mark 41 VLS cells
• 2x4 NSM box launchers
• 2x .50 caliber RWS
• NS100 4D AESA radar
• Integrated ESM suite
• Full flight deck and hanger to fit a Cyclone sized helicopter
• Pair of RHIB's as standard
• BlueWatcher/BlueHunter system in a sonar dome
• Multi-mission deck amidships able to fit 4x40ft or 8x20 ISO containers/cargo of similar weight/dimensions

Additional payloads are apparently available for maritime interception operations, route surveys, mine countermeasure work and anti-submarine warfare to name a few. The swing to the new Continental Defence Corvette moniker has seemingly been informed by the info given out prior by the RCN that they are looking for a system capable of using strike length VLS to contribute to continental defence, alongside some proper ASW, self defence and other role requirements.

It is interesting to see Vard changes their offerings to suit an ever changing program.

 

[Furniture]

I mentioned Vard 100 back in February however, Noah has posted new information from CANSEC 2025 regarding this offering from Vard as part of the Vigilance family. Credit goes to them and their original post can be found below.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1928269719066350022

Detailed specifications were not listed however, I will include what was listed here alongside a quote back to my original comment. It seems the vague hull form and dimensions might be the same as the older Vard 7 100 design however, the upperworks and likely much of the internals has been changed significantly.

• 57mm main gun
• 16 strike length Mark 41 VLS cells
• 2x4 NSM box launchers
• 2x .50 caliber RWS
• NS100 4D AESA radar
• Integrated ESM suite
• Full flight deck and hanger to fit a Cyclone sized helicopter
• Pair of RHIB's as standard
• BlueWatcher/BlueHunter system in a sonar dome
• Multi-mission deck amidships able to fit 4x40ft or 8x20 ISO containers/cargo of similar weight/dimensions

Additional payloads are apparently available for maritime interception operations, route surveys, mine countermeasure work and anti-submarine warfare to name a few. The swing to the new Continental Defence Corvette moniker has seemingly been informed by the info given out prior by the RCN that they are looking for a system capable of using strike length VLS to contribute to continental defence, alongside some proper ASW, self defence and other role requirements.

It is interesting to see Vard changes their offerings to suit an ever changing program.

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Latest I have heard is the RCN does not want any helo capability for the CDC, so I suspect they will need to go back to the drawing board for that.

It makes sense to me, as helo ops add a huge amount of cost and complexity to a ship.

 

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Is there even a request out for these ships designs?

Edit: if the RCN desire for historical class names persists and they call these Flower Class, then what are some particularly nasty flowers found in Canada?

Water Hemlock?
Cannibas
Foxglove
Hogweed?

 

[Furniture]

Is there even a request out for these ships designs?

Edit: if the RCN desire for historical class names persists and they call these Flower Class, then what are some particularly nasty flowers found in Canada?

Water Hemlock?
Cannibas
Foxglove
Hogweed?

RCN Flower Class ships were named for towns and cities, just like our CPFs and MCDVs. It would be pretty easy to come up with a few names to use for the CDC that have long use histories in the RCN.

 

[PrairieFella]

It's too bad we don't have a history of cool names haha. Warspite and Defiant sound so much better than Saguenay or Saskatoon haha

 

[foresterab]

It's too bad we don't have a history of cool names haha. Warspite and Defiant sound so much better than Saguenay or Saskatoon haha

I figured we could call them the Lake class and start with the toughest names possible to spell...

Pekwachnamaykoskwaskwaypinwanik should be a good confusing one for Opposition forces to call out (it's actually a lake in Manitoba and that's it's Cree name).

Downside is I'd hate to see the uniform that could carry a ship name that long on a ball cap.

 

[Stoker]

Current Kingston Class make up at NB Jetty in Halifax.

 

[dapaterson]

I figured we could call them the Lake class and start with the toughest names possible to spell...

Pekwachnamaykoskwaskwaypinwanik should be a good confusing one for Opposition forces to call out (it's actually a lake in Manitoba and that's it's Cree name).

Downside is I'd hate to see the uniform that could carry a ship name that long on a ball cap.

The TV class.

HMCS Letterkenny

HMCS Dressup

HMCS Trailer Park Boys

HMCS Telefrancais

HMCS Lance et Compte

 

[brihard]

HMCS Telefrancais

Ananas would 100% commit war crimes.

 

[dapaterson]

Ananas would 100% commit war crimes.

But would do so in both official languages.

 

[Maxman1]

The TV class.

HMCS Letterkenny

HMCS Dressup

HMCS Trailer Park Boys

HMCS Telefrancais

HMCS Lance et Compte

HMCS SCTV

HMCS 22 Minutes

HMCS Big Comfy Couch

 

[Maxman1]

I mentioned Vard 100 back in February however, Noah has posted new information from CANSEC 2025 regarding this offering from Vard as part of the Vigilance family. Credit goes to them and their original post can be found below.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1928269719066350022

Detailed specifications were not listed however, I will include what was listed here alongside a quote back to my original comment. It seems the vague hull form and dimensions might be the same as the older Vard 7 100 design however, the upperworks and likely much of the internals has been changed significantly.

• 57mm main gun
• 16 strike length Mark 41 VLS cells
• 2x4 NSM box launchers
• 2x .50 caliber RWS
• NS100 4D AESA radar
• Integrated ESM suite
• Full flight deck and hanger to fit a Cyclone sized helicopter
• Pair of RHIB's as standard
• BlueWatcher/BlueHunter system in a sonar dome
• Multi-mission deck amidships able to fit 4x40ft or 8x20 ISO containers/cargo of similar weight/dimensions

Additional payloads are apparently available for maritime interception operations, route surveys, mine countermeasure work and anti-submarine warfare to name a few. The swing to the new Continental Defence Corvette moniker has seemingly been informed by the info given out prior by the RCN that they are looking for a system capable of using strike length VLS to contribute to continental defence, alongside some proper ASW, self defence and other role requirements.

It is interesting to see Vard changes their offerings to suit an ever changing program.

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Looks like a light version of the Type 31.