Medical Rejection: How to Appeal? [Merged]
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What you consider a mild reaction, and what the CF / RMO considers a mild reaction can be vastly different. In my judgement, ANY oral symptoms would be grounds for disqualification. That you haven't had what you consider a severe reaction yet, doesn't mean you won't.
medicineman
Army.ca Legend
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To echo Mike, upper airway symptoms are pretty serious - the airways swell shut at the drop of a hat for lesser things - an the mouth is part of the upper airway. I'd likely lean towards a nay for you as well based on that.
As for folks suggesting shopping for docs, one of the questions that people neglect to read on the little form letters eople have to get filled out by their doctors is this one: "How long has this person been under your care?" - the RMO reads this as much as the medical folks do for people getting driver licensing medicals done and really do take that into account. So if you're thinking of going to a doc in a box or trying to get referrred to allergist after allergist until someone tells you what you WANT to hear versus what you NEED to hear, well, I think you're going to be in for a long wait and likely a negative response.
Mike, myself and others in this forum have said this numerous times - it's not personal, it business. The CAF do not owe you a job - there are entry medical standards and continuing medical standards that have to be met and if you don't meet them, then sorry, but you have to find other employment suitable to you. Those standards are in place to ensure the safety of you and all others that might have to look after you, evacuate you and replace you if this condition rears its ugly head in the nether regions of the world.
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MM
As for folks suggesting shopping for docs, one of the questions that people neglect to read on the little form letters eople have to get filled out by their doctors is this one: "How long has this person been under your care?" - the RMO reads this as much as the medical folks do for people getting driver licensing medicals done and really do take that into account. So if you're thinking of going to a doc in a box or trying to get referrred to allergist after allergist until someone tells you what you WANT to hear versus what you NEED to hear, well, I think you're going to be in for a long wait and likely a negative response.
Mike, myself and others in this forum have said this numerous times - it's not personal, it business. The CAF do not owe you a job - there are entry medical standards and continuing medical standards that have to be met and if you don't meet them, then sorry, but you have to find other employment suitable to you. Those standards are in place to ensure the safety of you and all others that might have to look after you, evacuate you and replace you if this condition rears its ugly head in the nether regions of the world.
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MM
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Well, tough luck. I suggest you fight this. I personally know someone who is allergic to bee stings and is in a field unit. so this makes absolutely no sense.
George Wallace
Army.ca Dinosaur
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goinghomebroke said:
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Do you now? And when was this person diagnosed with this allergy and prescribed an epipen? Was it while they were serving or while they were in the Enrolment Process? There are big differences to be said here as to whom will be accepted and whom is already serving. So, although it may not make sense to you; it does have a lot of credibility to it.
Motard said:
Thanks for this post. I don't have a doctor, so I was hoping that a walk-in clinic doctor and some specialist referrals would be acceptable. Although it may not be ideal, and they may take it in to consideration, acceptable is better than nothing.
medicineman
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Jester_TG said:
The folks that use a doc in a box as their family doc have ongoing records there, so the the examining physician can say (if it's not their usual) "today - chart available"; if they have a real family doc and go to a WIC, the answer will be "today - no chart available" to comment on what things are, were and are heading. Certain conditions will have that looked at quite unfavourably. I actually just had one come through my office - a change because I was the one giving them out. And I had to answer "today, no chart available", so that poor soul could easily be getting that "we'd like to hear from your real doctor" letter.
MM
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Using a WIC as you primary care provider is not at all unusual nor frowned upon. Just because you don't have a regular physician, doesn't mean you don't have a chart at the clinic. Shopping around for a specialist who will give you a favourable recommendation is another thing altogether and will likely work against you. At some point you might have to accept that everyone gets to apply, not everyone gets to join.
Thanks for all the input. Today I had my FDL filled out again. My family doctor in which I've been in the care of for 21 years has said that based on my latest allergy test results, there is no reason for me to have an EpiPen. Like I said before, my allergist recommends them to everyone as a precaution. My doctor agreed with this, noting that technically everybody should carry an EpiPen in that case because really nobody knows exactly what they're allergic to. We could all have a severe allergy to something but we just haven't been exposed to it. But with regards to my case he cleared me of needing an EpiPen and said that my allergy is mild and normal with no risk of anaphylaxis whatsoever. I'm still planning on getting a food challenge completed so I will have more evidence to back up my appeal. I know I can pass the food challenge as I have already eaten fish lately and did so with minimal reaction. I have no reason not to believe that my chances of getting accepted this time around are greater. What do you guys think? I mean this is a doctor telling me I do not have a severe reaction, why would the Medical Officers in Ottawa look at it and say "No, it's severe". Let me know if you guys think I have a better chance this time, again, all your feedback is greatly appreciated. And as for the person in an earlier post that said "some people just aren't cut out for the military", you're an idiot. As if complete dumb asses haven't been accepted before. Just because I have an allergy doesn't mean I'm not cut out for it, if I do get accepted I'd probably make half the recruits look dumb with regards to fitness. I asked for positive feedback, lets keep it that way.
Thanks again,
David
Thanks again,
David
Jarnhamar
Army.ca Myth
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davidf33 said:
So the guy crying about having an allergy and how the army isn't fair is calling someone else an idiot?
Sorry David there's lots about the army that isn't fair, that's not going to change.
And some people just aren't cut out for the military too. Especially so if they have an allergy which makes them a possible burden.
You don't get to control the tone in which people respond to your posts, deal with it.
I'm sure you meant if given the chance you might make the other recruits look unfit with regard to their fitness, right?
davidf33 said:
I don't think the earlier post was meant to be a personal attack on you so I don't think its necessary to call them an idiot and if your allergy is severe enough, then yes, you're not cut out for the military. And although you may be superior in fitness, your behaviour and attitude needs adjustment as intelligence and mental strength is just as important.
Do the food challenge, get the forms signed, take it to the recruiting centre. Hope for the best and expect for the worst. Cheers.
George Wallace
Army.ca Dinosaur
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davidf33 said:
Quite the attitude there David.
First off; your doctor may figure that you are fairly safe to be employed in "any civilian" job. The CAF doctors may have higher standards that must be met for people to be employed in the military. As George Orwell wrote; "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others".
