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I don't see Merkel/Germany in the cartoon above. And Putin looks like he's out of shape in the cartoon.  ;D

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Army Chief: Germany Planning To Deploy 1,200 Troops for IS Fight
Agence France-Presse 3:21 p.m. EST November 29, 2015

BERLIN — Germany is planning to deploy 1,200 troops to help France in the fight against Islamic State jihadists in Syria, its army chief said Sunday, in what would be the military's biggest deployment abroad.

"From a military point of view, around 1,200 soldiers would be necessary to run the planes and ship," army chief of staff Gen. Volker Wieker told Bild am Sonntag newspaper, adding that the mission would begin "very quickly once a mandate is obtained."

"The government is seeking a mandate this year," said Wieker.

Berlin on Thursday offered France Tornado reconnaissance jets, a naval frigate, aerial refueling and satellite images in the fight against the IS group.

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A pretext of fighting ISIS just so Emirati troops can go right to overthrowing Assad?

Let's see who else is willing to commit troops to Syria to fight ISIS:

Defense News

UAE Says Ready To Commit Troops To Fight Syria Jihadists
Agence France-Presse 3:07 p.m. EST November 30, 2015
Anwar Mohammed Gargash

ABU DHABI, United Arab Emirates — The United Arab Emirates has said it is ready to commit ground troops against jihadists in Syria and described Russian airstrikes in the country as attacks on a "common enemy."

Quoted by the official WAM news agency on Monday, Emirati State Minister for Foreign Affairs Anwar Gargash said the UAE would "participate in any international effort demanding a ground intervention to fight terrorism."

"Regional countries must bear part of the burden" of such an intervention, he said during a Sunday discussion on Syria.

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Long article in The American Interest on what the future will look like. The effects will be rippling into the future for the next century (think of the millions of young people without jobs or prospects, much less their counterparts in the camps with even less hope). Until someone, somewhere is willing to commit massive amounts of resources, this wil continue until basically all sides are exhausted and have no more resources.

http://www.the-american-interest.com/2015/11/30/the-middle-east-as-it-will-be/

The Middle East as It Will Be
Eliot A. Cohen

We are in the early or, at best, early-middle stages of a vicious cycle of violence.

Every so often, one should stop ascribing blame and prescribing remedies and put down exactly what one thinks is likely to happen. As George Orwell observed, this can be a humbling experience, because our predictions so often reflect our hopes or fears rather than careful analysis. Besides, castigating politicians one dislikes, and concocting policies that have no chance of encountering the test of practice, is much more fun than peering into the future. Yet no other topic could benefit more from a cold-blooded analysis of the probabilities than the current conflict in Syria and Iraq and the various burning cinders that it has spewed into other lands—Libya and, most recently, France.

It is safe to predict that, barring a calamitous attack on the scale of September 11 in the American homeland, the United States will not lead a coalition attempting to root out the Islamic State in its lairs, above all the city of Mosul. President Obama, in every possible way, has made it clear that he thinks such an effort misguided. Nor should one expect a President who has pledged himself to ending Middle East wars to conclude his term by sending tens of thousands of infantrymen back to Mesopotamia (a much better term these days than Syria and Iraq, which, for all practical purposes, no longer exist as states). A bit more bombing, a few more commando raids, some additional trainers and spotters, perhaps, but a ground force—no. He would be acting contrary to every instinct, every judgment, and, most importantly, his self-understanding were he to do so.

This being the case, the Islamic State will continue to control territory in Iraq and Syria. The Kurds and Iraqi army may nibble at the edges and cut lines of supply; the Russians, Iranians, and Shi’a militias may do the same; but to take back any major city and, above all, Mosul will require lots of troops. To do it the American or Israeli way would mean surrounding it, persuading the population to leave, and then painstakingly working one’s way through the booby-traps, ambushes, bunkers, and tunnels using all the advantages of meticulously collected intelligence and persistent observation, as well as a wide variety of low-yield precision-guided weapons. Even so, the damage to infrastructure and loss of civilian life would be considerable, as would the casualties sustained by the forces going in. Mosul—a city of two-and-a-half million before the Islamic State invaded—would require a clean-up operation an order of magnitude larger than the clearing of Fallujah (prewar population roughly 300,000) or recent Israeli incursions into Gaza City (perhaps half a million), with tens of thousands of well-trained and -disciplined troops. Those are not on offer, and certainly not from the United States.

To think that Iraqi troops and Sunni tribesmen will do what they did in 2006–2008 in taking down al-Qaeda in Iraq—the Islamic State’s smaller and less expert predecessor—is fantasy. Iraqi soldiers and tribal forces did indeed fight, and bravely, but they knew they were allied with what Bing West has dubbed “the strongest tribe,” i.e., the United States.Iraqi soldiers and tribal forces did indeed fight, and bravely, but they knew they were allied with what Bing West has dubbed “the strongest tribe,” i.e., the United States. They could see the tanks and attack helicopters, the confident soldiers and Marines going into battle with them. They will have no such support this time, and they know it. They can be terrorized, and the evidence suggests, have been.

The Russian way is simpler, and Putin has done it before, most famously in Chechnya’s capital of Grozny, a largely Russian-inhabited city, in 1999–2000: flatten the city, shoot anything that moves, and rebuild it with a client governor in charge. But today’s Russia, as impressive at it has been strategically, may not have the resources and probably does not have the inclination to do something that will involve killing tens or hundreds of thousands of Sunni Arabs, thereby inflaming its own domestic Muslim problem.

The Islamic State will not be easily strangled, either. It has shown itself remarkably capable of drawing money in from many sources, and it has no compunction about squeezing to the limit the population among which it resides. It is a tenacious parasite, and although it has suffered thousands of casualties, it still gets recruits and is adapting to the continuous aerial bombardment. There is no reason to think it will quit.

So the Islamic State will continue to exist, and as recent reports suggest, put down roots in a number of countries. The appeal of its cruelty, religious purity, and apocalyptic faith will not be diminished. Indeed, just the reverse, the longer it appears to stand up to the unholy coalition of the United States, Europe, Russia, the Persians, and the Shi’a. At the same time, however, it is equally unlikely that the Syrian civil war will be resolved, and above all, that Bashar al-Asad will recover control of more than a fraction of his shattered country. He relies now on foreign arms and armies, his own Alawite base having been exhausted. His allies may be willing to send thousands of troops to keep him going, but are unlikely to commit the tens or hundreds of thousands to really restore him to power. Were that to happen, one should expect to see the Gulf states pump ever more military aid into his opponents, including the Islamic State and other jihadi movements. It is a lesson in the relative unimportance of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict to compare the vituperative fear and hatred that many Sunni Arabs have for the Persian Shi’a with their equally sincere but distinctly feebler loathing of the Jews. Furthermore, in light of the breakdown in Russo-Turkish relations, and the presence of an increasingly arbitrary and dictatorial Islamist at the head of the Turkish government, Ankara may well ramp up support for the insurgents, including the Islamic State. For these reasons and more, the would-be Talleyrands who think that tacit American support for Russo-Iranian hegemony over this region in the name of stability is either desirable or possible had better think again. That kind of devil’s deal would simply brew even more violence, as even our current President seems to recognize.

The upshot, then, will be large-scale mayhem across an increasingly large area, which will in turn breed more mayhem. We are in the early or, at best, early-middle stages of a vicious cycle of violence. Consider only the refugee camps in Jordan, Lebanon, and Turkey. What sorts of experiences have the teenagers in those camps had? What future can they expect? How many murders, maimings, and rapes might they wish to avenge? What sorts of experiences have the teenagers in those camps had? What future can they expect? How many murders, maimings, and rapes might they wish to avenge? In those camps lie a well-nigh infinite pool of recruits for the jihadi cause, and they will make their way into the fight. To be sure, there will be some islands of stability in the Middle East. The Israelis will deter direct attacks, and will help the Druze carve out communal enclaves under their aegis. The Kurdish quasi-state will become ever more real, and the United States will quietly recognize that fact by arming it to the teeth. Jordan may hang on, although the Hashemite King may have to fight, yet again, for his monarchy’s existence.

What we cannot predict are the sparks that could ignite other fires. A second Russo-Turkish incident—an S-400 missile taking down a Turkish F-16, another Russian jet shot down, raids on Russian or Turkish bases coming from areas controlled by the other sides’ clients—may not bring a shooting war, exactly, but it could lead to a much deadlier proxy war than we have seen thus far. Should Turkey then invoke Article V of the North Atlantic Treaty, and Russia choose to demonstrate the West’s vulnerabilities on other fronts, the winds of the Syrian war could blow as far away as the Baltic states. A more immediate matter: the refugee flow to Europe may be slowed but will not stop unless the unwieldy and befuddled European Union slams the gates shut. If it does, that may be one of the developments that helps end the EU as we know it. If it does not, the rise of seriously nasty rightwing parties in the European core may bring it to a different kind of end.

The next American president will probably do more to take the lead in this crisis, but not much. It takes at least six months to fully staff up a government (which you want to do if you are going to go to war), but more importantly, what president wishes to begin his or her term by sending large forces to the Middle East? Even if the President did so desire, and even if we did wipe out the Islamic State and liberate Mosul, what would we do then—hand it back to an Iranian-controlled client state headquartered in Baghdad, while deploring the depredations of the Shi’a militias re-establishing control in Iraq’s largest Sunni city?

It is amazing to consider what we now accept as normal politics in this part of the world. A quarter of a million civilians dead. Chemical weapons used routinely by a state and by insurgents. Millions of refugees. The eviction of Christians from vast areas they have inhabited very nearly since the time of Jesus. An apocalyptic religious sect that has constructed at least an embryonic state, revels in publicizing every kind of barbarity from crucifixion to partial beheadings, and now controls an area the size of a small European country. Murderous assaults on European capitals inspired and directed by that state. Russian forces engaged in combat in the Middle East on a scale not seen since the early 1970s. Iranian operatives openly waging war in countries that Iran does not even neighbor.

The future will be ghastly for that part of the world, and all that borders it. The United States will be somewhat distant from this whirlpool of blood, but only somewhat—we, our allies, and our interests will increasingly be spattered by it.The United States will be somewhat distant from this whirlpool of blood, but only somewhat—we, our allies, and our interests will increasingly be spattered by it. It is disheartening that at a time when countries are desperate for the United States merely to appear to want to lead them out of this, Americans are preoccupied on the one side with a braggart bully billionaire who knows little and cares less about civil liberties and on the other side with the contest between a marginal monomaniac and a terminally deceitful triangulator. Meanwhile, on the beautiful campuses of our oldest and wealthiest universities, mobs of the luckiest young people in the world are whimpering belligerently because they believe themselves to be victims—an obscene notion, if you think about their Syrian and Iraqi contemporaries. This may not be the early 1930s, but it is getting close. And as one might have said back then, this is not likely to get any better.
 
S.M.A. said:
A pretext of fighting ISIS just so Emirati troops can go right to overthrowing Assad?

Let's see who else is willing to commit troops to Syria to fight ISIS:

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I listened to a segment of The Current on CBC radio yesterday about UAE and their involvement in Yemen.  They have hired South American PMC's (mostly Columbian) and have deployed them in combat operations in Yemen.  Will they use more PMC in Syria?
 
And on another front, the Daily Mail are reporting that the Daesh dickheads are in fact expanding quite a bit into Afghanistan and are hell bent on knocking off the Taliban and supplanting them as King of the Hill.  I am all for those two tearing into each other like the rabid animals they are, but say the Daesh do come out on top?  Will they then go on a tear into Pakistan?  That has me worried as then they could possibly gain access to very big firecrackers.

ISIS moves in on Afghanistan: Chilling pictures show jihadis have set up terror training camps as it's claimed they have KILLED the Taliban's leader and seized control of large parts of the war-torn nation
-Taliban has been divided by a bitter turmoil, leading to ISIS-led splinter cell
-ISIS is targeting Taliban's territory in Afghanistan with a campaign of terror
-Taliban leader Mullah Akhtar Mansour is reported to have been shot dead 
-His death could be an ISIS attempt to destroy Taliban from the top down
See our full news coverage of ISIS at www.dailymail.co.uk/isis

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3347137/Has-ISIS-killed-head-Taliban-Attempt-terror-chief-s-life-signals-surge-jihadi-network-Afghanistan.html#ixzz3tTjzsqFT
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook
 
jollyjacktar said:
And on another front, the Daily Mail are reporting that the Daesh dickheads are in fact expanding quite a bit into Afghanistan and are hell bent on knocking off the Taliban and supplanting them as King of the Hill.  I am all for those two tearing into each other like the rabid animals they are, but say the Daesh do come out on top?  Will they then go on a tear into Pakistan? That has me worried as then they could possibly gain access to very big firecrackers.

Would Obama draw another red line  ;D
 
Saudi Arabia's "Grand Strategy" seems to be to use the oil weapon to depress prices and keep their enemies (Iran, Russia and Syria as the first tier) starved for resources and less able to compete for the position of Regional Hegemon or enabler. It is estimated that Saudi Arabia could continue to spend at the current rate for five to seven years (depending on the assumptions you are using), so it is going to be a race to see who runs out of resources first. Keeping oil prices depressed will also prevent Iran from gaining any advantage to the lifting of sanctions, so the situation will continue to devolve in the Middle East (perhaps as Saudi and the Gulf States use ISIS to goad Iran, Russia, Syria and Hezbollah into spending more resources, someone will crack that much ealier).

http://www.the-american-interest.com/2015/12/05/whats-the-point-of-opec/

What’s the Point of OPEC?

That’s the question on the minds of many of the cartel’s members, after OPEC’s semiannual meeting in Vienna ended without any agreement on how to coordinate efforts to drive oil prices back up. A barrel of crude goes for under $43 today, a far cry from the $110+ per barrel levels achieved 18 months ago. While in the past OPEC has acted to cut production in order to set a price floor to bearish markets, this time around Saudi Arabia has strong-armed its less productive fellow members into adopting a business-as-usual strategy, preferring to endure today’s low prices in order to compete with non-OPEC producers for market share.

But this approach hasn’t been well received by OPEC’s less wealthy member countries, many of which have publicly called for the cartel to curtail output. As the FT reports, the meeting did little to bridge the widening gap between Riyadh and the rest of the group:

After a marathon seven-hour session that ended in chaotic scenes outside the Opec secretariat in Vienna, the only agreement reached by the cartel members was to meet again in June. […]

“For the first time in many years Opec has failed to specify a production ceiling and has decided to wait on events in 2016 before making its next move,” said Neil Atkinson of Lloyd’s List Intelligence. “This is a holding decision.”

The cartel’s decision not to set any targets for output over the next six months reflects significant uncertainty over how much more oil Iran will be able to produce once Western sanctions are lifted, and how quickly. Iran’s oil minister said he “didn’t have any other expectation,” adding his hope that “at the next meeting we can reach agreement.” The president of Petroleos De Venezuela said his country is “really worried.”

OPEC’s smaller fish will have six more months to position themselves and trumpet their anxieties, but it’s clear that without Riyadh’s blessing, the cartel isn’t going to change its course. As Atkinson put it, OPEC has “formalised the decision taken a year ago to produce as much oil as necessary to preserve market share while leaving prices to the market place.”

With the Saudis no longer willing to act as the global swing producer, OPEC lacks the capacity to cut production back enough significantly to affect prices, which leads to the obvious question: What purpose does the cartel now serve? We’ll check back in in June, but for now OPEC has resigned itself to letting the market set prices, which means crude is going to stay on sale.
 
And meanwhile, the ideology that underpins ISIS and radical Islam implodes on contact with the real world:

http://www.the-american-interest.com/2015/12/02/more-evidence-that-isis-fails-the-reality-test/

More Evidence that ISIS Fails the Reality Test

ISIS’s attempt to build a state is faltering under the strain of both external attacks and internal failings as its ideology collides with reality. The New York Times reports:


Some fighters have taken pay cuts, while others have quit and slipped away. Important services have been failing because of poor maintenance. And as its smuggling and oil businesses have faltered, the Islamic State has fallen back on ever-increasing taxes and tolls imposed on its squeezed citizens.[..]

Stories abound of the Islamic State putting loyal members in positions they are not qualified for. The head of medical services in one town is a former construction worker, residents said. The boss at an oil field was a date merchant, according to a former employee.

In Raqqa, the National Hospital featured in a propaganda video about health services in the caliphate is all but closed because so many doctors have fled, according to an aid worker with relatives in the city.[..]

Also driving people out is an onerous tax system carried out in the name of zakat, or Islamic alms. The jihadists collect, among other taxes, a yearly share of every harvest and herd of livestock, and make shopkeepers pay a share of their inventory.

ISIS is selling a dream, as we’ve written before. But everyday life grinds away at the fantasy world ISIS wants to live in.
Nothing kills an ideology like success. This is what happened to Communism: the Marxist-Leninists had 70 years and half the world’s population as a laboratory. They produced misery, oppression, poverty, pollution and corruption. The fantasy of a utopian Communist world could not survive reality.

The caliphate crazies claimed that a “pure Islamic state” with a real, live caliph and strict sharia law would bring victory and prestige to Islam and good governance to its inhabitants. In fact, ISIS has damaged Islam more than its worst enemies could hope, wrecked the lives of millions, and created a gangster state that mistreats and exploits its residents.

The failure of ISIS as a state means more trouble for the rest of us, at least in the short- to medium-term. To keep the fantasy alive, the brain-sick fanatics and true believers are likely to try more Paris style massacres and acts of spectacular terror. But the ideology that undergirds ISIS isn’t just bad in the sense of evil. It is bad in the sense that it does not provide a framework that can organize the life and work of a community on a productive and enduring basis.

Even more than was the case for Communism, failure is baked into the ISIS cake. That doesn’t mean we can sit and wait serenely for the forces of history to destroy it; Stalin and Mao between them after all managed to murder something like 100 million people before the forces of history kicked in, and the Soviet Union managed to drag the world to the precipice of nuclear war before it imploded. So the intrinsic shortcomings of jihadi ideology doesn’t justify a passive policy. But the wrong-headed ideas at the core of this nonsense should give us hope: real victory over this nasty perversion of religion is not just possible; it is likely.
 
ISIS makes a propaganda video...in Mandarin Chinese. That means they probably have Chinese Uighurs or Hui Ren from China's Xinjiang province working for them.

Shanghaiist

ISIS has a new song in Mandarin calling Chinese Muslims to jihad


The Islamic State has released a catchy new song in Mandarin Chinese in an attempt to recruit Chinese Muslims to join their fight. China, the most populous country in the world, is home to more than 30 million Muslims.

The song, which can be heard here, is four minutes long. In it, a male voice, digitally enhanced using reverb and harmonies, chants these lyrics, translation provided by The Wall Street Journal:

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Well they got  the Korean's on their side... no, wait... that was just some idiot losing control of his AK at the Yemen wedding all guy dance party not doing Gangnam Style. 
 
Iraq/OIF is still fresh on US voters' minds, so wouldn't it be fair to say the US public might not be able to stomach another protracted ground campaign?

Defense News

Carter Cautions US Ground Troops Would 'Americanize' ISIS Fight

WASHINGTON — Defense Secretary Ash Carter told lawmakers on Wednesday that adding a significant US ground force to the fight against the Islamic State group would “Americanize” the fight and fuel “a call to jihad” in Iraq and Syria.

The Pentagon is urgently calling on Congress to lift a hold on $116 million in funding for its rebooted Syria train-and-equip program after Gen. Lloyd Austin, the chief of US Central Command, revealed its stunning failure at a Capitol Hill hearing in September. The $500-million program had only a handful of trained Syrian fighters left.

Despite pressure from lawmakers, Carter said that he and Marine Gen. Joseph Dunford, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, have not recommended sending US ground troops. The US has deployed about 3,500 US troops to Iraq in noncombat roles, and Carter announced last week that it would deploy a new “specialized expeditionary force” to augment US special operations forces there and assist local forces.

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This from the Pentagon Info-machine on an ... interesting ... Canadian helping in the fight:
By his own admission, (Mubin) Shaikh was a Muslim extremist living in Canada when the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks occurred.

He celebrated the attacks like others in the group he hung-out with.

But that was then and this is now. Two years spent studying his religion in Syria during 2002-2004, led him to a new understanding. Returning to Canada, Shaikh worked with Canada’s intelligence and police force as an undercover informant against Muslim extremists who were planning other attacks in Canada. His testimony led to the conviction of more than a dozen extremists. He was taking back his religion from those who were corrupting it. Many people he knew from his former extremist life are either in jail or dead.

Shaikh says he is now a public figure and defender of his faith from those extremist groups like ISIL who hijack pieces and parts of the Muslim faith for illegal activities. He returned to the George C. Marshall European Center, Dec. 8, to share his personal insights on how terrorist and extremist groups use the internet with participants representing 47 different countries who are attending the Program for Cyber Security Studies course ...
 
milnews.ca said:
His testimony led to the conviction of more than a dozen extremists...

...Shaikh says he is now a public figure and defender of his faith....
A very brave individual.  :salute:
 
Let's see how effective this new coalition is going to be ...
Saudi Arabia on Tuesday announced the formation of a 34-state Islamic military coalition to combat terrorism, according to a joint statement published on state news agency SPA.

"The countries here mentioned have decided on the formation of a military alliance led by Saudi Arabia to fight terrorism, with a joint operations center based in Riyadh to coordinate and support military operations," the statement said.

A long list of Arab countries such as Egypt, Qatar, the United Arab Emirates, together with Islamic countries Turkey, Malaysia, Pakistan and Gulf Arab and African states were mentioned.

The announcement cited "a duty to protect the Islamic nation from the evils of all terrorist groups and organizations whatever their sect and name which wreak death and corruption on earth and aim to terrorize the innocent."

Shi'ite Muslim Iran, Sunni Saudi Arabia's arch rival for influence in the Arab world, was absent from the states named as participants, as proxy conflicts between the two regional powers rage from Syria to Yemen ...
More here - Saudi Press Agency statement attached.
 
The writer misses a bit of nuance in describing Iran as Saudi Arabia's rival in the "Arab" world.  Notwithstanding the Shi'ia/Sunni(Wahhabist) issue, Iranians are Persian, not Arabic.  A better description would be Saudi Arabia's rival for influence in the Islamic region.

Regards
G2G
 
Interesting that Turkey is on the list. Saudi Arabia is also not keen on the Turks reviving their interest and influence over the former Ottoman Empire. Must be a case of keeping your friends close and enemies closer...
 
More on the above: A coalition of Sunni nations...what's to stop them from turning on the west once they've eliminated the Shiite threat Iran and its proxies like Syria's Assad regime?

Defense News

Saudi-Led Islamic Military Coalition Formed to FIght Terrorism
Awad Mustafa 6:56 p.m. EST December 14, 2015

DUBAI, United Arab Emirates — The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia has announced the formation of a 35-state Islamic military coalition to combat terrorism.

The statements came after a cabinet meeting was held in the Saudi capital Riyadh, according to the Saudi Press Agency

The Islamic military coalition's headquarters will be in Riyadh, according to the statement, where a Joint Operations Center will be set up and military engagements will be coordinated.

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S.M.A. said:
More on the above: A coalition of Sunni nations...what's to stop them from turning on the west once they've eliminated the Shiite threat Iran and its proxies like Syria's Assad regime?

Defense News

Besides having exhausted their resources prosecuting the war; internal factionalization, resentment against Saudi hegemony, radical Sunni splinter groups and ethnic tensions between the Arabs, Turks, Kurds, Baloch, Yazidis.....
 
Thucydides said:
A coalition of Sunni nations...what's to stop them from turning on the west once they've eliminated the Shiite threat Iran and its proxies .....
Besides having exhausted their resources prosecuting the war; internal factionalization, resentment against Saudi hegemony, radical Sunni splinter groups and ethnic tensions between the Arabs, Turks, Kurds, Baloch, Yazidis.....
I was going to suggest the massively increased background radiation.  :-\

I suspect Iran would not go peacefully.
 
Journeyman said:
I was going to suggest the massively increased background radiation.  :-\

I suspect Iran would not go peacefully.

Background radiation would only be one of the problems.  Not much grows in a series of hundred mile radius glass bowls. 
 
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