Pay Increase

[George Wallace]

It's more like 7 - 10 months....  ;D

GW

 

[043]

Who cares??? People are still going to piss moan anyways so it doesn't make a difference. 

 

[garb811]

   My biggest problem with your whole argument is that you signed up for this. You knew you would be on call, that you would have to live in places you might not want to, that you would have to go to places where you could be injured or killed.
   I dont disagree with the fact that our soldiers should be paid for their hard work. I just think that everyone bitches and moans about funding for the military and yet they all want a pay raise. The money could be better spent on the equipment and such.
   I guess i see lots of civilian families doing well for themselves on the same money military families have and i can't figure out what makes them any different.
   I think that there has to be a line when it comes to military pay, you can't pay too little or people won't join and you can't pay too much or else you get too many people joining for the money.

Have no fear, I knew exactly what I was doing when I signed up 19 years ago.   My issue is when people try to equate a civiilan job with what we do.   We don't do a job, contrary to what too many of "us" feel, we joined an organization which owns us 24/7 and that is a lifestyle all of it's own that can't be compared to anything on civie street, at least IMHO.   Whether or not we are paid adequately for living that lifestyle is always going to be open for debate.  As you can see we can't even agree amongst ourselves.

BTW, any student who wishes to get the free education we offer is more than welcome to walk down to the nearest CFRC, although it will probably be a little light on the humanities for most tastes.    

 

[Inch]

01   01   151335Z FEB 05   RR   RR   UUUU                   CDS 010

             NDQH//CDS//
             CANFORGEN
UNCLAS CANFORGEN 033/05 CDS 010
SIC WAA
BILINGUAL MESSAGE/MESSAGE BILINGUE
SUBJ: FY 04/05 AND 05/06 PAY INCREASES
REF: CANFORGEN 155/04 ADM(HR-MIL) 083 171309Z DEC 04
1. THE MINISTER OF NATIONAL DEFENCE IS PLEASED TO ANNOUNCE THE
FOLLOWING INCREASES TO PAY AND ENVIRONMENTAL ALLOWANCES
2. CF NON-COMMISSIONED MEMBERS
A. EFFECTIVE 1 APR 04
(1) AN ECONOMIC ADJUSTMENT OF 2.25 PERCENT AND
(2) AN ADJUSTMENT OF 4.25 PERCENT TO RESTORE COMPARABILITY WITH THE
PUBLIC SERVICE (PS)
(3) EXAMPLES OF AMT OF BACK PAY BEFORE DEDUCTIONS.   CPL STD IPC4
WILL RECEIVE BACK PAY OF APPROX 3120 DOLLARS WHEREAS CWO IPC4 WILL
RECEIVE APPROX 4824 DOLLARS
B. EFFECTIVE 1 APR 05 AN ECONOMIC ADJUSTMENT OF 2.4 PERCENT
3. CF GENERAL SERVICE OFFICERS (GSO)/PILOTS (LCOL AND BELOW) AND
MEDICAL AND DENTAL OFFICERS (LT AND 2LT) WILL RECEIVE
A. EFFECTIVE 1 APR 04
(1) AN ECONOMIC ADJUSTMENT OF 2.25 PERCENT AND
(2) AN ADJUSTMENT OF 1.03 PERCENT TO RESTORE COMPARABILITY WITH THE
PS
(3) EXAMPLES OF BACKPAY BEFORE DEDUCTIONS.   2LT WILL RECEIVE FROM
1128 DOLLARS TO 2088 DOLLARS, CAPT GSO IPC10 2604 DOLLARS AND LCOL
GSO IPC4 3288 DOLLARS
B.   EFFECTIVE 1 APR 05
(1) AN ECONOMIC ADJUSTMENT OF 2.4 PERCENT AND
(2) THERE ARE STILL A LARGE NUMBER OF LAPSED AGREEMENTS FOR PS
GROUPS.   SHOULD THE SETTLEMENT RATES FOR LAPSED AGREEMENTS FOR THE
BENCHMARKED PUBLIC SERVICE GROUPS EVENTUALLY PROVE TO BE HIGHER THAN
THE PAY ADJUSTMENTS AWARDED TO AFFECTED OFFICERS FOR FISCAL YEARS
2003/2004, 2004/2005 AND 2005/2006, TB APPROVAL WILL BE SOUGHT TO
AUTHORIZE LUMP SUMS OF PAY IN THE AMOUNT OF THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN
THE ECONOMIC INCREASE APPROVED FOR GSOS FOR FY 2005/2006 AND THE
AMOUNT OF THE PAY ADJUSTMENT THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN APPROVED FOR FY
2005/2006 HAD THE PUBLIC SERVICE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING PROCESS BEEN
SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLETED
4. ENVIRONMENTAL AND SPECIAL ALLOWANCES WILL BE ADJUSTED AS FOLLOWS
(A) EFF 1 APR 04 5.68 PERCENT AND
(B) EFF 1 APR 05 2.4 PERCENT
5. THE ABOVE INCREASES SHOULD BE REFLECTED IN THE END MAR 05 PAY FOR
MOST CF MEMBERS 6. THE REVISED RATES ARE AVAILABLE ON THE DGCB INTERNET SITE AT
HTTP://WWW.DND.CA/HR/DPPD// AND INTRANET
HTTP://HR.DWAN.DND.CA/DGCB/DPPD//
END OF ENGLISH TEXT / LE TEXT FRANCAIS SUIT
SUJET: AF 04/05 ET 05/06 AUGMENTATIONS DE LA REMUNERATION FC
REF : CANFORGEN 155/04 ADM (HR-MIL) 083 171309Z DEC 04
1. LE MINISTRE DE LA DEFENSE A LE PLAISIR D ANNONCER LES
AUGMENTATIONS DE SOLDE ET D INDEMNITES ENVIRONMENTALES SUIVANTES
POUR LES FC
2. LES MILITAIRES DU RANG (MR)
A. EFFECTIF 1 AVR 04
(1) UN RAJUSTEMENT ECONOMIQUE DE 2.25 POURCENT ET
(2) UN AJUSTEMENT DE 4.25 POURCENT AFIN DE RETABLIR LA COMPARABILITE
DE LA SOLDE AVEC LA FONCTION PUBLIQUE FEDERALE (FPF)
(3) EXEMPLES DE RETROACTIVITE AVANT DEDUCTIONS: CPL STANDARD CPR 4
RECEVRONT APPROX 3120 DOLLARS, ADJUC CPR 4 RECEVRONT APPROX 4824
DOLLARS
B. EFFECTIF 1 AVR 05, UN RAJUSTEMENT ECONOMIQUE DE 2.4 POURCENT
3. LES OFFICIERS DU SERVICE GENERAL (OSG)/PILOTES (LCOL ET EN
DESSOUS) ET LES MEDECINS ET DENTISTES (SLT ET LT) DES FC RECEVRONT
A. EFFECTIF 1 AVR 04
(1) UN RAJUSTEMENT ECONOMIQUE DE 2.25 POURCENT ET
(2) UN AJUSTEMENT DE 1.03 POURCENT AFIN DE RETABLIR LA COMPARABILITE
DE LA SOLDE AVEC LA FPF
(3) EXEMPLES DE RETROACTIVITE AVANT DEDUCTIONS: 2LT RECEVRONT DE
1128 DOLLARS A 2088 DOLLARS, CAPT OSG CPR 10 2604 DOLLARS ET LCOL
OSG CPR 4 3288 DOLLARS
B. EFFECTIF 1 AVR 05
(1) UN RAJUSTEMENT ECONOMIQUE DE 2.4 POURCENT ET
(2) IL EXISTE UN GRAND NOMBRE DE CONVENTIONS COLLECTIVES QUI NE SONT
PAS RATIFIEES.   SI LES TAUX DE REGLEMENTS DES CONVENTIONS
COLLECTIVES PERIMEES POUR LES GROUPES REPERES DE LA FPF S AVERENT
ETRE PLUS ELEVES QUE LES AJUSTEMENTS DE SOLDE ACCORDES AUX OFFICIERS
AFFECTES POUR LES ANNEES FINANCIERES 2003-2004, 2004-2005 ET
2005-2006, UNE APPROBATION DU CONSEIL DU TRESOR SERA DEMANDEE POUR
AUTORISER UN MONTANT FORFAITAIRE COUVRANT LA DIFFERENCE ENTRE L
AUGMENTATION ECONOMIQUE APPROUVEE POUR LES OSG POUR L ANNEE
FINANCIERE 2005-2006 ET L AJUSTEMENT DE SOLDE QUI AURAIT ETE
APPROUVEE POUR L ANNEE FINANCIERE 2005-2006 SI LE PROCESSUS DE
NEGOTIATION COLLECTIVE DE LA FONCTION PUBLIQUE AVAIT ETE COMPLETE
4. LES INDEMNITES ENVIRONMENTALES ET SPECIALES SERONT AUGMENTEES DE
LA FACON SUIVANTE
A. EFFECTIF 1 AVR 04, 5.68 POURCENT ET
B. EFFECTIF 1 AVR 05, 2.4 POURCENT
5. LA PLUPART DES MIL DES FC RECEVRONT CES AUGMENTATIONS AVEC LA
SOLDE DE LA FIN MARS 05
6. LES TAUX DE SOLDE REVISES SERONT PUBLIES PAR VOIE DU SITE
INTERNET DGRAS A HTTP://WWW.DND.CA/HR/DPPD// ET INTRANET A
HTTP://HR.DWAN.DND.CA/DGCB/DPPD//.

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

(2) AN ADJUSTMENT OF 4.25 PERCENT  TO RESTORE COMPARABILITY WITH THE
PUBLIC SERVICE (PS)

So for all of you who gave me grief :-* for supporting the PS during the strike, buying me beer sure would ease the pain I feel...........

 

[MJP]

Where did you dig it up from Inch?  The national DIN menu for CANFORGENS shows nothing right now...I'd love to believe it but after the recent spreadsheet fiasco, I'm a little leery.

 

[Michael OLeary]

I have the same message through the chain of command.

 

[Scoobie Newbie]

I overheard the CO/DCO/Adj talk about this today and they are just waiting for the CANFORGEN to come out.  Needless to say its already scheduled for the next O-group without the CANFORGEN being issued thus far.

 

[Scoobie Newbie]

Like MJP said Inch, how did you get CANFORGEN 33 when http://vcds.mil.ca/vcds-exec/pubs/canforgen/2005/intro_e.aspb is only listing up to 32

 

[Sub_Guy]

Do you honestly think that the CANFORGEN site is updated right away?  I have the message here, in my hands..................Benefits of being in comms........$$$$$$

 

[big_johnson1]

So does this affect PLD? Or rather, will it affect PLD (higher raise = lower PLD)?

 

[George Wallace]

Ok, I am still going to wait and see.  The info from Inch doesn't match what I just got from my old Pay Office this morning.  That print out has NCMs getting 6.50% from 1 Apr 04 and an increase of 2.4% on 1 Apr 05.  Back pay is due in the end Mar Pay.  All Officer ranks have a 3.28% raise effective both 1 Apr 04 and 05. 

I like what I got from a reliable source, but will wait and see.  I sorry to be getting out on 28 Mar if this is really true.

GW

 

[Sub_Guy]

Wait and see?  Maybe your pay office should wake up.... I have the message in hand..... on paper......

 

[George Wallace]

Wait and see? Maybe your pay office should wake up.... I have the message in hand..... on paper......

They got it right.....I missed a line in the message.... :

That would be the best raise I got since Cpl...

GW

 

[mbhabfan]

so a new recruit would now start at $2218/month plus the 6.5% =$2362.17 then another raise in April of 2.4% = $2418.86, does this seem correct to everyone else??  I just wanted to see if I had the math calculated correctly.

 

[George Wallace]

Current $2218

New $2362

Next Apr $2419




(The chart doesn't get into the "cents")

GW

 

[Navalsnpr]

I received the CANFORGEN today just before lunch (Atlantic Time) and can confirm what Inch posted.

Too bad we couldn't have received the back pay prior to RRSP deadlines!!

 

[Inch]

Where did you dig it up from Inch?   The national DIN menu for CANFORGENS shows nothing right now...I'd love to believe it but after the recent spreadsheet fiasco, I'm a little leery.

It came down the chain, I got it from 423 Sqn this morning and 406 Sqn an hour or so later. The one from 423 was the one I posted, the one I got from 406 was an actual link to the CANFORGEN. I'll post it tomorrow if you really want to see it, but you'll need to be on the DIN to access it of course.

So does this affect PLD? Or rather, will it affect PLD (higher raise = lower PLD)?

No, PLD should not be affected. PLD is related to local cost of living, the pay raise is equalization with the Public Sector as well as overall cost of living increase (read inflation).

 

[big_johnson1]

I understand how PLD is linked to cost of living, but it seems like every time they give us something with one hand, they take something away with the other.. I'm just curious if PLD would go down because of this..

And yeah, it sucks that we won't get it before the RRSP deadline, although there are always loans

 

[043]

PLD- Pld is more closely linked to taxes than cost of living. That is why PLD in Toronto is much higher than PLD in Ottawa. Taxes!