Public service employment has grown by 31 per cent

[Remius]

I was in a non-federal PS.

There may, or may not, be some similarities .

Most vulnerable were management and non-union staff.

They were first to go.

Union members were protected by seniority rights, recall, and job protection from contracting out.

The so-called "frontline" union members, ie: those on 9-1-1 Operations were never laid off.

Can’t say for sure.

1000 EX cuts are part of this. Aiming for 40K total reductions over 3 years if I recall.

 

[mariomike]

Can’t say for sure.

1000 EX cuts are part of this. Aiming for 40K total reductions over 3 years if I recall.

May, or may not, get what they are aiming for,

Reminds me of something our boss, Mel Lastman said when he aimed to let members of our union go,

They have jobs for life. I knew it was time to stop that. We tried to take it away from them because they had us by the balls. We fought like hell but couldn’t get rid of it. You don’t know what we had to go through. Try and fire them, you can’t.

 

[Good2Golf]

The disappointment is that governments keep finding ways to inflate the costs of hiring, employing, and firing.

Previous government increased PS size enormously with limited resultant productivity for…reasons.

Current government is taking measured, deliberate action to reverse the previous growth, which reasonably can’t be a facile reversal of the original hiring effort. Measures include reducing the PS in a manner that at least considers efficiencies in the reduction. Your position is this most recent effort is in fact deliberately increasing costs of implementing reductions in the public service?

By which I meant, just give them notice and show them the door. No deals, no pension sweeteners, no voiding of penalties. Give them whatever notice they're entitled to and let them be usefully employed for that time, pay them severance, and let them collect whatever pension they've accrued, subject to penalties if applicable.

Canadian employment standards and labour law jurisprudence be damned?

 

[Grimey]

We did

How’s your new guy working out? He seemed a good catch.

 

[Grimey]

We all have…

It’s not always the lifer thrice married types either. I had a young guy who had half his pay check going to crap he’d bought at the CANEX on their payment plan, only to hock it in downtown Victoria for drug and booze money.

 

[dapaterson]

It’s not always the lifer thrice married types either. I had a young guy who had half his pay check going to crap he’d bought at the CANEX on their payment plan, only to hock it in downtown Victoria for drug and booze money.

The other half of his pay check he wasted.

 

[Halifax Tar]

It’s not always the lifer thrice married types either. I had a young guy who had half his pay check going to crap he’d bought at the CANEX on their payment plan, only to hock it in downtown Victoria for drug and booze money.

When I deployed on CHA last year. We had Jr sailors, blowing; and I mean blowing, deployed pay cheques at the ships canteen. Our NPF books never looked better.

I had to keep bringing them up at HODs/CHODs so depts could council the members and ensure they aren't digging themselves a hole. Usually this is because they bought a sports car or truck. Nope this was on chips and pop, and smokes.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

That is a very positive bit of news.

Sounds like people are thinking about how to cut the admin bloat, rather than the outputs.

The challenge is that those people's sole job appears to be keeping themselves employed

 

[Remius]

When I deployed on CHA last year. We had Jr sailors, blowing; and I mean blowing, deployed pay cheques at the ships canteen. Our NPF books never looked better.

I had to keep bringing them up at HODs/CHODs so depts could council the members and ensure they aren't digging themselves a hole. Usually this is because they bought a sports car or truck. Nope this was on chips and pop, and smokes.

It all adds up…

 

[Brad Sallows]

Previous government increased PS size enormously with limited resultant productivity for…reasons.

Current government is taking measured, deliberate action to reverse the previous growth, which reasonably can’t be a facile reversal of the original hiring effort. Measures include reducing the PS in a manner that at least considers efficiencies in the reduction. Your position is this most recent effort is in fact deliberately increasing costs of implementing reductions in the public service?


Canadian employment standards and labour law jurisprudence be damned?

I'm referring to applying Canadian employment standards and labour law. What I argue against are bespoke changes and accommodations.

The CoA chosen might be less expensive overall. I assume there must be some kind of actuarial analysis that backs the claim up (ie. the cost of continuing to pay employees for some kind of useful output in lieu of notice is more than the cost of gentler pension treatment and the value of whatever they do in that time, or the cost of immediate termination with severance is more than the cost of gentler pension treatment). It doesn't mean the precedent is long-term helpful.

 

[Good2Golf]

I'm referring to applying Canadian employment standards and labour law. What I argue against are bespoke changes and accommodations.

The CoA chosen might be less expensive overall. I assume there must be some kind of actuarial analysis that backs the claim up (ie. the cost of continuing to pay employees for some kind of useful output in lieu of notice is more than the cost of gentler pension treatment and the value of whatever they do in that time, or the cost of immediate termination with severance is more than the cost of gentler pension treatment). It doesn't mean the precedent is long-term helpful.

I’m not sure the current government is looking to set a precedent, or just deal with the situation of thinning a portly and less-than-desirably productive public service.

 

[daftandbarmy]

When I deployed on CHA last year. We had Jr sailors, blowing; and I mean blowing, deployed pay cheques at the ships canteen. Our NPF books never looked better.

I had to keep bringing them up at HODs/CHODs so depts could council the members and ensure they aren't digging themselves a hole. Usually this is because they bought a sports car or truck. Nope this was on chips and pop, and smokes.