RCMP Commissioner Lucki Stepping Down

[OldSolduer]

Nunavut and NWT but my transfer to Whitehorse fell through and I wound up….in Manitoba.

Aren't you a lucky fellow. Let me guess....Thompson?

 

[Booter]

Aren't you a lucky fellow. Let me guess....Thompson?

Lol no. No Thompson for this guy. Meetings there are enough. Incredible people but no thanks.

 

[OldSolduer]

Lol no. No Thompson for this guy. Meetings there are enough. Incredible people but no thanks.

OH Shamattawa? Garden Hill?

 

[BrianWL]

yet our neighbour's son couldn't get taken on by any of the south-western Ontario forces because he didn't meet the ethnic requirements. After two years searching he finally gave up and pursued another career. Regardless of shortages, WASPS need not apply it would seem or at least they are at the bottom of the list.

means you have to be persistent if you really really want it. or move onto something you don't have to wait for. not new either, police social engineering has been going on for decades, it sucks when you get stuck because of it.

 

[Spencer100]

Is there a call for FN only policing. I myself would be for it. But not my wheelhouse.

I do have a retired RCMP officer working for me. He says FN policing up North was very different. He said he enjoyed it. But you have to have the right mindset. He went later in his career after years in undercover. He has crazy stories. But asked to go up north for a few years to unwind.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Is there a call for FN only policing. I myself would be for it. But not my wheelhouse.

I do have a retired RCMP officer working for me. He says FN policing up North was very different. He said he enjoyed it. But you have to have the right mindset. He went later in his career after years in undercover. He has crazy stories. But asked to go up north for a few years to unwind.

Somewhat related, a fine looking group of young soldiers right there. Well done that course!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1645822348430376961

 

[Booter]

Is there a call for FN only policing. I myself would be for it. But not my wheelhouse.

I do have a retired RCMP officer working for me. He says FN policing up North was very different. He said he enjoyed it. But you have to have the right mindset. He went later in his career after years in undercover. He has crazy stories. But asked to go up north for a few years to unwind.

Yes there are lots of calls for FNs controlling their own policing, who pays is the main obstacle. There isn’t a tax base on a reserve or land claim in most cases

 

[Booter]

But asked to go up north for a few years to unwind.

This idea always makes me laugh. There are very quiet northern posts- but- look at the violent crime rates.

 

[OldSolduer]

This idea always makes me laugh. There are very quiet northern posts- but- look at the violent crime rates.

You might be in northern Manitoba if you think its ok to calm someone down by using a baseball bat.....

 

[Booter]

You might be in northern Manitoba if you think its ok to calm someone down by using a baseball bat.....

LOL “I only hit them to scare them”

 

[Spencer100]

This idea always makes me laugh. There are very quiet northern posts- but- look at the violent crime rates.

Said it worked for him. But he has stories of Hell Angels and Drug deals in Thailand so your mileage may vary.

 

[mariomike]

Do the RCMP or OPP have a policy of rotating officers - if they wish - between high, low and medium call volume postings to prevent / delay burn-out?

The theory being a happy officer is an efficient officer.

 

[Booter]

Do the RCMP or OPP have a policy of rotating officers - if they wish - between high, low and medium call volume postings to prevent / delay burn-out?

Nothing in the RCMP but your psych screening. You can ride yourself right into the ground if you’d like

 

[lenaitch]

Do the RCMP or OPP have a policy of rotating officers - if they wish - between high, low and medium call volume postings to prevent / delay burn-out?

The theory being a happy officer is an efficient officer.

Nothing in the OPP either that I am aware of. Career management has evolved (devolved) to an individual responsibility. Detachment and regional commanders have some latitude to alter assignments that don't involve a physical move.

Paid transfers are very, very expensive and there are simply too many variables. Moving somebody to a low call volume area might entail a move from a low COL area to a higher one, or cost the spouse a job. Also, simple numbers might not be the sole issue. Ten property damage collisions/member/shift don't necessarily have the same impact as a steady but much lower count of sexual assaults or bar brawls.

Where I think they are lacking is members who are in high-impact specialty work. I know guys who were in u/c work, drugs and pornography (or whatever they call it now) for far too long and really not suitable for anything else after that.

 

[lenaitch]

OH Shamattawa? Garden Hill?

Back in the day I policed the FNTs on the Ontario side of the line (fly in, not live in). In one homicide I had I think the victim was from Garden Hill (or one of the ones around there. There were a lot family ties between in the area). Interesting work, for a couple of years.

 

[CBH99]

One of my volunteers has applied and not been picked. He is smart, good shape, Filipino, volunteers with kids, and already works with the client base in social work. I not getting what he is doing to make them not interested?

So this is what I don't get...

Here's an applicant that's smart, in good shape, sounds like he has the social skills necessary to get along with people, does volunteer work, and is already familiar with our typical client base due to him working in social work.

Sounds like an ideal candidate, and he's applying during a time when applications are at an all time low.

And yet...he doesn't get in. Why??



Or Booter, your Korean friend. Same deal.

Hes a great guy, would make a great member - and you would absolutely know if he would fit in well or not, and you suggest he would.

An agency desperate for people, with some detachments running at 40% to 60% of the ideal number of officers to be posted there.

And yet, he doesn't get in...



I know applications are at an all time low across the country.

EPS has very few good applicants these days, to the point where their recruiters just spent a week in Toronto attending career fairs to try to get some applicants.


But this problem seems to be greatly exasperated by turning away the good applicants that are applying...

 

[Booter]

it’s very weird @CBH99 . In many cases it seems to favour folks with no life experience because there is nothing controversial.

 

[mariomike]

Saw this, for what it is worth to the discussion,

Prior to the early 1980s, the RCMP was aiming to recruit new members aged from 19 to about 25. The practice was relatively customary of those days, and also grounded on three precise beliefs from the RCMP. First, policing could not be the second career of an individual. Second, young men were more moldable than older individuals to the police subculture. Third, criminal activity was linked to adulthood. By hiring young adults, the RCMP secured more chances that those individuals would have a crime free background.

RCMP recruiting

Due to an aging force, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) is actively recruiting to continue meeting Canada s policing needs. Society changes every decade, and so do the RCMP recruiting qualifications. Right now, about 15 to 20 times more…

en-academic.com

 

[Booter]

Saw this, for what it is worth to the discussion,

RCMP recruiting

Due to an aging force, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) is actively recruiting to continue meeting Canada s policing needs. Society changes every decade, and so do the RCMP recruiting qualifications. Right now, about 15 to 20 times more…

en-academic.com

This only worked when there were mustangs that ensured that the work cultures moved along. The use/value of those cultures is debatable- but presently with the force promoting three year members to corporal to supervise in some cases- the depth of knowledge and the ability to “police” the office isn’t there. So if you fill a detachment with 20 year olds it’s high school. The mustangs used to ensure that the new members knew that they knew nothing and needed to be learning constantly. Lots of this was accomplished through bullying and made people conceal their issues until it was too late.

Perhaps there is a middle ground lol

 

[RangerRay]

So this is what I don't get...

Here's an applicant that's smart, in good shape, sounds like he has the social skills necessary to get along with people, does volunteer work, and is already familiar with our typical client base due to him working in social work.

Sounds like an ideal candidate, and he's applying during a time when applications are at an all time low.

And yet...he doesn't get in. Why??



Or Booter, your Korean friend. Same deal.

Hes a great guy, would make a great member - and you would absolutely know if he would fit in well or not, and you suggest he would.

An agency desperate for people, with some detachments running at 40% to 60% of the ideal number of officers to be posted there.

And yet, he doesn't get in...



I know applications are at an all time low across the country.

EPS has very few good applicants these days, to the point where their recruiters just spent a week in Toronto attending career fairs to try to get some applicants.


But this problem seems to be greatly exasperated by turning away the good applicants that are applying...

Or it could just boil down to a poor interview. Some jobs, it doesn’t matter what your CV looks like, if you don’t hit all the points their looking for on the interview, you don’t get a call back.

Been there, done that, didn’t get the t-shirt.