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"RCMP union pushes for change to help force attract talent from U.S., other countries"

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Seems to be a follow up from a recommendatoin from this report earlier this summer:
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Commonwealth? Sure, with a carefully built training program. US? I’d want US cops retrained from scratch before hitting the streets in Canada. Not to say all would pose problems, but there’s too much going on down there for me to trust a lateral process.

For the RCMP- I think most of their federal positions require top secret clearance, and that’s restricted to Canadian citizens now, so that’s a non-starter. Not sure there would be many FBI or NCA or AFP looking to lateral over to Canada to police rural/municipal, but I guess there might be a few? There are plenty of former British cops policing municipal in Canada, no reason RCMP contract policing couldn’t successfully absorb them too without those TS clearance issues.
 
I am of the opinion that the policing of our citizens should be left to our citizens. Seems wrong to have someone who isn't from here, and hasn't been here long enough to become a citizen or PR put in a position of power over those who are.
 
Commonwealth? Sure, with a carefully built training program. US? I’d want US cops retrained from scratch before hitting the streets in Canada. Not to say all would pose problems, but there’s too much going on down there for me to trust a lateral process.

For the RCMP- I think most of their federal positions require top secret clearance, and that’s restricted to Canadian citizens now, so that’s a non-starter. Not sure there would be many FBI or NCA or AFP looking to lateral over to Canada to police rural/municipal, but I guess there might be a few? There are plenty of former British cops policing municipal in Canada, no reason RCMP contract policing couldn’t successfully absorb them too without those TS clearance issues.
Yea US Police training varies wildly from excellent to dismal. I suspect applicants from Australia, NZ and UK, may qualify for TS clearance fairly easily.
 
While I get that makes life easier for the people doing clearances, if we are trying to recruit people from overseas with the skills we need and TS clearances from nations we already trust, then we are shooting ourselves in the foot.
 
Or just fix the domestic recruiting system inclusive of both RCMP and non-RCMP parts? Even if they hire foreigners police as laterals they’ll still have to go through the same broken system.
 
It is within my memory that to become a police officer in Ontario you had to be a Canadian citizen or British subject.
 
It is within my memory that to become a police officer in Ontario you had to be a Canadian citizen or British subject.
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The current RCMP PR residency requirement of three out of five years actually exceeds what a PR needs to meet under IRPA 28(2)(a) of 730 days in a five year period to maintain their status as a PR. However, in order to apply for citizenship, the three years (1095 days) in five years is required. I recall in the past that PRs who joined the CAF had, I believe, 2 years to become citizens after enrolment or they were released (happened to one of my soldiers). Is that how the RCMP was going about it as well? That would make them eligible to apply for a TS clearance as a citizen.
 
Commonwealth police officers are not interchangeable. You could design a program to overcome issues but municipal agencies have tried this already with incredibly limited returns

US police in general are a no go unless they do literally everything over again. They have concepts in the states that you would have to train over top of numerous times and would still yield unreliable results under stress. I love US cops. Love training with them. Love working with them. Our legal system is not really a friend of theirs for their environmental upbringing
 
Commonwealth police officers are not interchangeable. You could design a program to overcome issues but municipal agencies have tried this already with incredibly limited returns

US police in general are a no go unless they do literally everything over again. They have concepts in the states that you would have to train over top of numerous times and would still yield unreliable results under stress.
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I would ask that the RCMP prove that there are not enough suitable Canadian Residents first, I am sure this will be tested in Court.
That would start with the people they gave two year or less deferrals to over the past ten years. To go back and reconnect with those people who did not reapply (or reapplied and received deferrals again) and explain why and extend an offer to them.
I know of a dozen or more good people who were deferred who now work for other agencies or government organizations who would have done well in the RCMP in my opinion.
It makes it even worse when the RCMP members they work alongside and or interact with have questioned a few of them why they did not join, when they tell them why it turns into a not so great conversation about specific hiring practices.
When I compare a few of the people who I know were recently hired into the RCMP I really have to question the motives on their process, but rejection letters with little to no feed back appears to be the norm for many.

Not to beat up on the RCMP, The hiring practices of many government organizations over the years has not been well managed. Trying to cater to certain groups to hire them has pushed other suitable candidates out. Along with poor work practices on working short and relying on over time workers/ casuals to back fill vacancies has left many gov organizations short on a reliable work force.

If one looks at health services across the country and their work schedule practices it leave lots to be desired. It worked years ago when you had a large pool of skilled part time workers to fill the gaps. That is not the case anymore, people want and need job security and benefits. So they look elsewhere, often leaving the industry.

BC Ferries was having a hard time recruiting and retaining workers. What was once a extremely difficult job to get into turned into we will offer lots of hiring benefits to recruit the force we need. Including rotational work where they put you up on the boats and feed you while you work your shifts.

If the RCMP want to hire non Canadians I can see a lawsuit coming their way from the thousands of Canadian who were deferred over the years for minuscule reasons. Especially when they link it all to specific demographic hiring practices. Which had occurred in the recent past and still on going.


I know there is going to be an argument that if a person got deferred it was for a good reason. The question to be asked, Was it really a good enough reason? Were their outside factors (beyond the applicants situation) that directly affected the recruiting decision, instead of a deferral given could they not have asked for more clarification and or given a later hiring date?
 
I would ask that the RCMP prove that there are not enough suitable Canadian Residents first, I am sure this will be tested in Court.
That would start with the people they gave two year or less deferrals to over the past ten years. To go back and reconnect with those people who did not reapply (or reapplied and received deferrals again) and explain why and extend an offer to them.
I know of a dozen or more good people who were deferred who now work for other agencies or government organizations who would have done well in the RCMP in my opinion.
It makes it even worse when the RCMP members they work alongside and or interact with have questioned a few of them why they did not join, when they tell them why it turns into a not so great conversation about specific hiring practices.
When I compare a few of the people who I know were recently hired into the RCMP I really have to question the motives on their process, but rejection letters with little to no feed back appears to be the norm for many.

Not to beat up on the RCMP, The hiring practices of many government organizations over the years has not been well managed. Trying to cater to certain groups to hire them has pushed other suitable candidates out. Along with poor work practices on working short and relying on over time workers/ casuals to back fill vacancies has left many gov organizations short on a reliable work force.

If one looks at health services across the country and their work schedule practices it leave lots to be desired. It worked years ago when you had a large pool of skilled part time workers to fill the gaps. That is not the case anymore, people want and need job security and benefits. So they look elsewhere, often leaving the industry.

BC Ferries was having a hard time recruiting and retaining workers. What was once a extremely difficult job to get into turned into we will offer lots of hiring benefits to recruit the force we need. Including rotational work where they put you up on the boats and feed you while you work your shifts.

If the RCMP want to hire non Canadians I can see a lawsuit coming their way from the thousands of Canadian who were deferred over the years for minuscule reasons. Especially when they link it all to specific demographic hiring practices. Which had occurred in the recent past and still on going.


I know there is going to be an argument that if a person got deferred it was for a good reason. The question to be asked, Was it really a good enough reason? Were their outside factors (beyond the applicants situation) that directly affected the recruiting decision, instead of a deferral given could they not have asked for more clarification and or given a later hiring date?
The RCMP, like CAF, already hires permanent residents. There’s no legal challenge to be made there. Permanent residents are as entitled as Canadian citizens to work in Canada. This is purely about their union advocating to laterally hire experienced foreign police officers and to give them some experience equivalency. Other Canadian police services have done that before without challenge.

This is about the wisdom of such a hypothetical policy, not whether it would be legal. It would be. I personally don’t think it’s a great idea.
 
It would be interesting if the RCMP allowed these guys to lateral in…

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Commonwealth police officers are not interchangeable. You could design a program to overcome issues but municipal agencies have tried this already with incredibly limited returns

US police in general are a no go unless they do literally everything over again. They have concepts in the states that you would have to train over top of numerous times and would still yield unreliable results under stress. I love US cops. Love training with them. Love working with them. Our legal system is not really a friend of theirs for their environmental upbringing
Are you referring to the general assumption everyone is armed in the US?
 
And the US is lowering entry standards.

Important to recognize that entry and training standards across the US vary wildly. Like, absolutely wildly. Some are excellent, some are total dogshit with basically no standards at all. But that's part of why a blanket approach to lateral hiring US officers is no bueno, IMO. There are a lot of really good cops down there. And a lot who aren't. And a ton in between those.

Kinda like up here, thought I'd say their curve skews farther.
 
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