Re: university level courses

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Posted by "Rob A." <carversbench@csolve.net> on Sun, 12 Nov 2000 00:15:11 -0500
Thank you for the information Sir.
I‘ll be looking into that.
Rob A
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From: Capt.RW.Nairne,TFBH SO Comd,4212,0901
To: army@cipherlogic.on.ca
Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2000 3:09 AM
Subject: university level courses
Since I‘m about eight hours ahead of everyone else I can provide the
reference that you are talking about sorry Mike. Now if we can just
get the Res F Pension Plan sorted out.
UNCLASSIFIED
CANFORGEN 095/00 ADMHRMIL 059 101300Z AUG 00
REFS: A. REPORT TO THE PRIME MINISTER ON THE LEADERSHIP AND MANAGEMENT
OF THE CF
27 MAR 97
B. ADM HR-MIL INSTRUCTION 04/00 10 JUL 00
C. DAOD 5031-3
IN RESPONSE TO REF A RECOMMENDATION 10 , A FOUR YEAR TRIAL PROGRAM HAS
BEEN APPROVED, REF B, TO ENCOURAGE PRIMARY RESERVE P RES OFFICERS TO
ATTAIN AN INITIAL UNDERGRADUATE BACCALAUREATE DEGREE
TO BE ELIGIBLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PROGRAM, THE OFFICER MUST:
BE ON EFFECTIVE STRENGTH OF A P RES UNIT,
NOT HOLD AN UNDERGRADUATE BACCALAUREATE DEGREE,
BE REGISTERED AT A CANADIAN DEGREE GRANTING INSTITUTION IN AN
UNDERGRADUATE BACCALAUREATE COURSE LEADING TO A DEGREE SUITABLE FOR
THE P RES MOC, AND
REGISTER WITH THE BASE/WING PERSONNEL SELECTION OFFICER OR DESIGNATED
EDUCATION OFFICER
THE PROGRAM WILL PROVIDE PARTIAL REIMBURSEMENT TO P RES OFFICERS ON
CLASS A, B OR C SERVICE WHO ARE NOT ELIGIBLE UNDER REF C. IN BRIEF, FOR
COURSES STARTED AFTER 1 SEP 99:
FULL TIME STUDENTS WHO GRADUATE FROM UNIVERSITY AND CONTINUE TO SERVE
WILL BE ABLE TO CLAIM THE LESSER OF 50 PER CENT OF TUITION OR TWO
THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR EACH ACADEMIC YEAR ENTITLEMENT EARNED WHILE A
RESERVIST, AND
PART-TIME STUDENTS WILL BE ELIGIBLE TO CLAIM 50 PERCENT AFTER ONE YEAR
OF CONTINUOUS SERVICE AS DEFINED IN ADM HR-MIL INSTR 04/00 FOLLOWING
THE COMPLETION OF A COURSE
FULL DETAILS OF REQUIREMENTS TO QUALIFY FOR REIMBURSEMENT ARE AT
HTTP://HR.DWAN.DND.CA/DOCS/INSTRUCTION/INSTRUCTIONS/ENGRAPH/4500-17-
3_DRET_E.ASP
FOR INFORMATION, PROPOSALS TO PROVIDE AND IMPROVE EDUCATION BENEFITS
FOR REG AND P RES NCMS WILL BE CONSIDERED AS A QOL INITIATIVE THIS FALL
Capt RW Nairne
SO Comd TFBH
CA Tel 613 996-7811 Trunk 2184 Ext 4212
CA Fax Ext 4022
Bosnia PTT 387-77-771-148 Ext 4212
VSAT 82-152-7632
e-mail: mail816p@dnd.ca
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Thank you for the information Sir.
I‘ll be looking into that.
Rob A
----- Original Message -----
From:
Capt.RW.Nairne,TFBH SO
Comd,4212,0901
To: army@cipherlogic.on.ca
Sent: Saturday, November 11,
2000 3:09
AM
Subject: university level
courses
Since I‘m about eight hours ahead of everyone else I
can
provide the reference that you are talking about sorry Mike.
Now if we
can just get the Res F Pension Plan sorted
out.UNCLASSIFIEDCANFORGEN 095/00 ADMHRMIL 059 101300Z AUG
00
REFS: A. REPORT TO THE PRIME MINISTER ON THE LEADERSHIP AND
MANAGEMENT
OF THE CF 27 MAR 97 B. ADM HR-MIL INSTRUCTION 04/00 10 JUL
00 C.
DAOD 5031-3 IN RESPONSE TO REF A RECOMMENDATION 10 , A FOUR
YEAR TRIAL
PROGRAM HAS BEEN APPROVED, REF B, TO ENCOURAGE PRIMARY RESERVE P RES
OFFICERS TO ATTAIN AN INITIAL UNDERGRADUATE BACCALAUREATE DEGREE
TO
BE ELIGIBLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PROGRAM, THE OFFICER MUST:
BE ON
EFFECTIVE STRENGTH OF A P RES UNIT, NOT HOLD AN UNDERGRADUATE
BACCALAUREATE DEGREE, BE REGISTERED AT A CANADIAN DEGREE
GRANTING
INSTITUTION IN AN UNDERGRADUATE BACCALAUREATE COURSE LEADING TO A
DEGREE
SUITABLE FOR THE P RES MOC, AND REGISTER WITH THE BASE/WING
PERSONNEL
SELECTION OFFICER OR DESIGNATED EDUCATION OFFICER THE PROGRAM
WILL
PROVIDE PARTIAL REIMBURSEMENT TO P RES OFFICERS ON CLASS A, B OR C
SERVICE WHO
ARE NOT ELIGIBLE UNDER REF C. IN BRIEF, FOR COURSES STARTED AFTER 1
SEP 99:
FULL TIME STUDENTS WHO GRADUATE FROM UNIVERSITY AND CONTINUE
TO SERVE
WILL BE ABLE TO CLAIM THE LESSER OF 50 PER CENT OF TUITION OR TWO
THOUSAND
DOLLARS FOR EACH ACADEMIC YEAR ENTITLEMENT EARNED WHILE A RESERVIST,
AND
PART-TIME STUDENTS WILL BE ELIGIBLE TO CLAIM 50 PERCENT AFTER
ONE YEAR
OF CONTINUOUS SERVICE AS DEFINED IN ADM HR-MIL INSTR 04/00
FOLLOWING THE
COMPLETION OF A COURSE FULL DETAILS OF REQUIREMENTS TO QUALIFY
FOR
REIMBURSEMENT ARE AT HTTP://HR.DWAN.DND.CA/DOCS/INSTRUCTION/INSTRUCTIONS/ENGRAPH/4500-17-
3_DRET_E.ASP FOR INFORMATION, PROPOSALS TO PROVIDE AND IMPROVE
EDUCATION BENEFITS FOR REG AND P RES NCMS WILL BE CONSIDERED AS A QOL
INITIATIVE THIS FALL Capt RW NairneSO Comd TFBH CA
Tel
613 996-7811 Trunk 2184 Ext 4212CA Fax Ext 4022Bosnia PTT
387-77-771-148 Ext 4212 VSAT 82-152-7632e-mail: mail816p@dnd.ca----------
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Posted by Juno847627709@aol.com on Sat, 11 Nov 2000 22:07:42 EST
Militia- - - -
1st, can anyone give me an outline of what a typical day at Meaford
is like for QL3 infantry? As in what is normally done at what part of the day?
Officer- - - - If I want to get a degree in ,say, English or History or
whatever, in university, could I then remuster from being a NCM in a militia
unit to an officer in a Reg. Force infantry unitRCR\PPCLI I think the plan
I would have to use is DEODirect Entry Officer
Can anyone offer any guidance??
Thanks,
-Matt
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Posted by "Gow" <jgow@home.com> on Sat, 11 Nov 2000 23:26:09 -0500
Trying not to laugh too loud, Matt.. try this,,
Meaford is no different from any other Recruit Training place...think
getting up about 0530-0600. I‘ve never been on a current recruit course,
but some things are timeless..and the reverse is, you‘ll likely get to bet
as early as you can..
There will be a number of things that are, or seem to be, physically tough.
You‘ll surprise yourself at how physically tough you can be..because, just
like the Recruiting Message, here‘s how you can be "All You Can Be". If the
physcal stuff does not daunt you, the mental stuff might. You‘ll be pushed
and shoved and directed by various rank levels, and, at times, it may not
seem quite fair. Remember those feelings if and when you are wearing those
boots forgive me the pun. And things later on seem, or maybe are, worse,
but you already know that you do not join for a happy day. Be aware of what
your brothers are doing in Bosnia, for example, and that we the inexorable
tax payer, may ask YOU to do next. It won‘t be easy.
When you see medals on a Canadian, you see a soldier to respect..
But don‘t let me discourage you. Who does these things nobody wants to do?
Those who can.
Try to be one of them.
John
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2000 10:07 PM
Subject: Re: university level courses
> Militia- - - -
> 1st, can anyone give me an outline of what a typical day at
Meaford
> is like for QL3 infantry? As in what is normally done at what part of the
day?
>
>
> Officer- - - - If I want to get a degree in ,say, English or History or
> whatever, in university, could I then remuster from being a NCM in a
militia
> unit to an officer in a Reg. Force infantry unitRCR\PPCLI I think the
plan
> I would have to use is DEODirect Entry Officer
>
> Can anyone offer any guidance??
>
> Thanks,
> -Matt
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Posted by m.oleary@ns.sympatico.ca Mike Oleary on Sun, 12 Nov 2000 14:16:24 -0500
While there are some sifferences between the Regular and Reserve Force QL3
Infantry courses, the training day itself is usually fairly similar.
Sometimes the Rserve Courses may actaully work longer days to get the
required traiuning done in the allocated timeframe. The Regular soldier
over 16 weeks alos get a gfew more training subjects as part of his
course.
I do not have a Reserve Infantry timetable handy, but here are a couple of
representative training days for a Regular Force QL3 Infantry course run in
Meaford last year.
Timings Location PO/EO Title
Instructor Remarks
October 7, 1999
0515-0600 N DORM 410.01 Take part in the battle training and sports
Marching NCO 3Km run
0800-0840 N DORM 401.01 Safety Precautions, characteristics,
description Sect Instr
and safe handling
without magazine.
0850-1020 N DORM 401.02 Stripping, assembly of the C7
Sect Instr
1120-1200 N DORM 409.02 Use the TA-43 field telephone
Sect Instr
1300-1340 N DORM 409.01 COMMS- Use the AN/PRC 521 Set
Sect Instr
1350-1520 PL ROOM 414.01 Identification of AFVs
Sect Instr
1530-1610 PL ROOM ADMIN PADRE HOUR Marching NCO Remain
in Pl classroom for
Pl Comd Hour
1620-1700 PL ROOM ADMIN PL COMD‘S HOUR Marching NCO
October 8, 1999
0515-0600 N DORM 410.01 Take part in the battle training and sports
Marching NCO 3 Km run
0800-0840 N DORM ADMIN PL ADMIN Marching NCO
0850-1020 N DORM 401.03 Ammunition handling, sights, load, ready,
Sect Instr
unload, make safe and
safety position
1030-1200 N DORM 401.04 Fire a shot, and follow-through from the
prone Sect Instr
1300-1520 N DORM 401.05 Practice 1
Sect Instr
1530-1610 PL Rm 411.19 Conventions and procedures following the
Pl Comd
capture of a PW
1620-1700 Drill hall 410.03 Introduction to close quarter combat
Unarmed Cbt SME
_____________________________________
As for transferring as a Reserve NCO to a Regular force officer position,
it‘s basically back to the start line. Even Regular Force Sergeants that are
offered their commision go back to Basic Officer training, and warrants
begin as Lieutents at Phase III training for platoon commanding. DEO is an
option iof they‘re offering in the year you apply, DEOs for infantry are
usually comissioned as Second Lieutenants to recognize theri degree, but
there is no reductiojn in required training.
Mike
The Regimenatl Rogue
http://regimentalrogue.tripod.com
2001 Canadian Militarey History Calendar
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2000 10:07 PM
Subject: Re: university level courses
> Militia- - - -
> 1st, can anyone give me an outline of what a typical day at
Meaford
> is like for QL3 infantry? As in what is normally done at what part of the
day?
>
>
> Officer- - - - If I want to get a degree in ,say, English or History or
> whatever, in university, could I then remuster from being a NCM in a
militia
> unit to an officer in a Reg. Force infantry unitRCR\PPCLI I think the
plan
> I would have to use is DEODirect Entry Officer
>
> Can anyone offer any guidance??
>
> Thanks,
> -Matt
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Posted by m.oleary@ns.sympatico.ca Mike Oleary on Sun, 12 Nov 2000 15:12:46 -0500
Sorry folks, big fingers, little keys. Gotta turn that spell-checker on.
Mike
----- Original Message -----
> While there are some sifferences between the Regular and Reserve Force QL3
> Infantry courses, the training day itself is usually fairly similar.
> Sometimes the Rserve Courses may actaully work longer days to get the
> required traiuning done in the allocated timeframe. The Regular soldier
> over 16 weeks alos get a gfew more training subjects as part of his
> course.
>
> The Regimental Rogue
> http://regimentalrogue.tripod.com
> 2001 Canadian Militarey History Calendar
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Posted by Juno847627709@aol.com on Sun, 12 Nov 2000 19:12:11 EST

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Posted by Juno847627709@aol.com on Sun, 12 Nov 2000 19:26:07 EST
Great info Mike. Thanks.
-Matt
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