Replacing the Subs

[Kirkhill]

"Company officials say that if a contract is signed this year, the first KSS-III submarine could be delivered by 2031, with all three boats in service by 2033" - That is the stated timeline for the Polish boats if they chose SK this week.

I'm not sure how the SK could deliver those 3 boats to Poland and then another 4 boats for us, a total of 7 boats, in the timeframe between 2031 and 2036.

Google tells me that SK can, and does, produce up to 220 hulls every year. Two companies produce about 100 each. That is about 4 launches a week nationally.

All shipyards, shipbuilders & docks in South Korea

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www.trusteddocks.com

 

[Genetk44]

The Japanese, Chinese and Koreans consistently accomplish build projects in far far quicker time than Canadians or pretty well any western country. They consistently demolish and rebuild highway overpasses in 2-7 days where it takes us 6 months.

 

[Kirkhill]

The Japanese, Chinese and Koreans consistently accomplish build projects in far far quicker time than Canadians or pretty well any western country. They consistently demolish and rebuild highway overpasses in 2-7 days where it takes us 6 months.

To be fair, the Chinese then rebuild them again in 2-7 days in 6 months time when they fall down.

 

[Rifleman62]

I'm not sure how the SK could deliver those 3 boats to Poland and then another 4 boats for us, a total of 7 boats, in the timeframe between 2031 and 2036.

Well, they are not Irving.

 

[NavyShooter]

Well, they are not Irving.

ANYTHING but Irving....

 

[Nvlgzr]

I read a few weeks back that they are partnering with another yard in Korea so they would effectively have two lines going. As well, the above article seems to intimate that construction for the Polish version would be shared between the two countries. There is no indication though as to how much work would be done in Poland but the implication is the refurbishing of perhaps the Gdansk shipyard or one like it perhaps aiming for more off-shore contracts.

Hanwha Ocean and DSME are partnered on KSS-III builds. They both have submarine production lines and Hanwha has recently increased their facilities. So I don’t see a Polish build of 4 having a major impact. SK needs to start cutting steel on new orders to keep the work force busy.

 

[quadrapiper]

Not a chance. Its the RCH 155 almost guaranteed. K9 Thunder doesn't meet the strategic mobility requirements. (wrong thread but there it is).

Buy the RCH. Pair it with the LAV and light units.

Issue a tightly-written Heavy Brigade Mobile Artillery RFI shortly after.

 

[HavokFour]

The wait for Poland's announcement is a real killer this week. Be interesting to see if our own choice is made shortly after, with the budget not being tabled until November.

 

[Retired AF Guy]

The wait for Poland's announcement is a real killer this week. Be interesting to see if our own choice is made shortly after, with the budget not being tabled until November.

Interesting article by Michael J. Lalonde comparing the U212 CD to the KS-III Batch II submarines and which one is best suited for Canada.

Canada’s Submarine Dilemma: Type 212CD vs KSS-III

Canada must choose between the stealthy German Type 212CD and the powerful Korean KSS-III. Which submarine best secures Canada’s future?

www.michaeljlalonde.com

Just looking at the specifics for the two subs I would think the U212 CD would actually fit the Polish requirements a lot more then the KS-III.

The U212 CD is a small sub designed to sit and wait and ambush its target, which is perfect for the Baltic Sea/North Sea.

On the other hand, the KS-III is larger and designed to operate as a blue-sea submarine, not in the confines of the Baltic.

TKMS has stated that if chosen they have the capacity to accommodate the Polish order. On the other hand, Poland has already bought a lot of SK kit and SK has offered lots of trade-offs if the KS-III is bought.

We watch with abated breath.

P.S. According to that Fountain of Knowledge (aka Wikipedia) South Korea has offered a 2000 ton version of the KS-III, DSME-2000.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Interesting article by Michael J. Lalonde comparing the U212 CD to the KS-III Batch II submarines and which one is best suited for Canada.

Canada’s Submarine Dilemma: Type 212CD vs KSS-III

Canada must choose between the stealthy German Type 212CD and the powerful Korean KSS-III. Which submarine best secures Canada’s future?

www.michaeljlalonde.com

Just looking at the specifics for the two subs I would think the U212 CD would actually fit the Polish requirements a lot more then the KS-III.

The U212 CD is a small sub designed to sit and wait and ambush its target, which is perfect for the Baltic Sea/North Sea.

On the other hand, the KS-III is larger and designed to operate as a blue-sea submarine, not in the confines of the Baltic.

TKMS has stated that if chosen they have the capacity to accommodate the Polish order. On the other hand, Poland has already bought a lot of SK kit and SK has offered lots of trade-offs if the KS-III is bought.

We watch with abated breath.

P.S. According to that Fountain of Knowledge (aka Wikipedia) South Korea has offered a 2000 ton version of the KS-III, DSME-2000.

Out of curiosity, between Denmark, Germany, Poland, Sweden and Finland, how many NATO subs will be sitting quietly waiting for a Russian ship to attempt to move outside 15km of Russians Baltic shoreline?
I can’t help but think the Baltic will be a target starved body of water.