Replacing the Subs

[Retired AF Guy]

Noah over at TNSR has a writeup about his visit to Hanwha's shipyard at Geoje and I must say its pretty interesting!

Letter From Geoje: Under the Shadow Of The Goliath

Thirty Thousand Souls, A Million Tons Of Steel, And A Robot Named Dandi

www.truenorthstrategicreview.ca

 

[YZT580]

I am not sure what you mean.

If you are sharing resources the group you are sharing with has a say in what you do with it. For example the Swiss will not sell any weapons into an armed conflict. So we have a problem on the west coast with China and our interests there and Germany who has lots of dealings with China says you can't go there. They own a third of the fleet if it is a truly shared system so they get a veto.

 

[SeaKingTacco]

Gotcha!

The Germans don’t seem to be squeamish about that sort of thing.

 

[YZT580]

Noah over at TNSR has a writeup about his visit to Hanwha's shipyard at Geoje and I must say its pretty interesting!

Letter From Geoje: Under the Shadow Of The Goliath

Thirty Thousand Souls, A Million Tons Of Steel, And A Robot Named Dandi

www.truenorthstrategicreview.ca

Seemed like a great commercial for the future of Ontario Shipyards. I haven't heard any rumours around town regarding any upgrading going on at the moment and their assemby building in Port Weller is currently a cement plant.

 

[Underway]

If you are sharing resources the group you are sharing with has a say in what you do with it. For example the Swiss will not sell any weapons into an armed conflict. So we have a problem on the west coast with China and our interests there and Germany who has lots of dealings with China says you can't go there. They own a third of the fleet if it is a truly shared system so they get a veto.

Canada will have full control. That's a pretty common thing in our purchases.

 

[The Bread Guy]

Stand by for (alleged, at least) decision in the next few weeks?

International competition to build Canada's next submarine fleet enters home stretch

The race to build Canada’s next submarine fleet is on its final lap as the federal government evaluates two rival bids for the lucrative contract.

www.ctvnews.ca

 

[Czech_pivo]

Stand by for (alleged, at least) decision in the next few weeks?

International competition to build Canada's next submarine fleet enters home stretch

The race to build Canada’s next submarine fleet is on its final lap as the federal government evaluates two rival bids for the lucrative contract.

www.ctvnews.ca

Carney said the end of June

 

[Cloud Cover]

Something to ponder for all defence purchases …

 

[HavokFour]

How do we feel about trucks that run on hydrogen?

EXCLUSIVE: South Korea boosts submarine bid with ‘Project Beaver’ hydrogen truck proposal

The secret weapon in South Korea’s bid to win the lucrative submarine contract is code named 'Project Beaver,' aiming to bring manufacturing jobs to Canada through hydrogen trucks.

www.ctvnews.ca

Facing market conditions that blocked it from bringing an electric vehicle plant to Canada, the South Koreans drafted a plan to manufacture hydrogen long-haul freight trucks and build dozens of charging stations in Canada, beginning in 2030. The proposal was submitted as part of Hanwha’s bid for the submarines, and the details were kept under wraps until now.

“Project Beaver” will use the technology developed by Hyundai Motors and transplant it to Canada.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

How do we feel about trucks that run on hydrogen?

EXCLUSIVE: South Korea boosts submarine bid with ‘Project Beaver’ hydrogen truck proposal

The secret weapon in South Korea’s bid to win the lucrative submarine contract is code named 'Project Beaver,' aiming to bring manufacturing jobs to Canada through hydrogen trucks.

www.ctvnews.ca

Don't have time to watch it yet, but here is a primer video for you and AI says this:

By mass, hydrogen contains nearly three times more energy than diesel (\(120 \text{ MJ/kg}\) vs. \(45.5 \text{ MJ/kg}\)). However, because hydrogen is a very light gas, it has low volumetric density unless highly compressed or liquefied. Depending on how the energy is used, power output varies significantly: [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

• Hydrogen Fuel Cells: By pairing hydrogen with a fuel cell to drive electric motors, vehicles generate power outputs, torque, and acceleration comparable to (or exceeding) heavy-duty diesel engines. Fuel cells are also more efficient, converting \(50\text{--}60\%\) of the fuel's energy into useful work, compared to diesel's \(35\text{--}45\%\) efficiency. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
• Hydrogen Internal Combustion (H2-ICE): Hydrogen can also be burned directly in modified combustion engines. Because hydrogen burns faster and has superior flame speeds, these engines can achieve the same power and torque outputs as traditional diesel motors. However, to avoid power drops from the lower volumetric energy density of the fuel, engineers must optimize air-fuel ratios and sometimes use direct fuel injection

 

[lenaitch]

How do we feel about trucks that run on hydrogen?

EXCLUSIVE: South Korea boosts submarine bid with ‘Project Beaver’ hydrogen truck proposal

The secret weapon in South Korea’s bid to win the lucrative submarine contract is code named 'Project Beaver,' aiming to bring manufacturing jobs to Canada through hydrogen trucks.

www.ctvnews.ca

A large impediment to Hydrogen as vehicle fuel is the lack of infrastructure (fueling locations) to support it.

 

[MilEME09]

A large impediment to Hydrogen as vehicle fuel is the lack of infrastructure (fueling locations) to support it.

if you are only doing big rigs, and commercial traffic, it will be easier short term to set that up, but it still requires a fair amount of investment

 

[KevinB]

How do we feel about trucks that run on hydrogen?

Ask the crew and passengers on the Hindenburg ?

 

[SeaKingTacco]

Ask the crew and passengers on the Hindenburg ?

Not really a fair comparision.

 

[KevinB]

Not really a fair comparision.

Just being an ass
But admittedly when I first read Hydrogen fuel and vehicle that is where my mind went.

 

[Underway]

Hydrogen is energetically inefficient in its most "green" form. In its non-green form its a huge GHG producer. There is a reason fuel cells are called "fool cells" by electric car manufacturers.

They have good uses for a varied group of applications, I'm not sure trucking is one of the applications.

But hey, perhaps there's a business case there that I'm not seeing.

 

[OldSolduer]

Something to ponder for all defence purchases …

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From what I have gleaned on the "Father of the USN Nuclear Sub Force" Rickover could be a dick BUT when you're dealing with nukes.....being a dick is what is needed

 

[KevinB]

From what I have gleaned on the "Father of the USN Nuclear Sub Force" Rickover could be a dick BUT when you're dealing with nukes.....being a dick is what is needed

My only experience on a SSN was solely swimming out of one -- but I would say that Submarines and especially Nuclear submarines are one of the things that Safety First is not just a catch phrase but a life requirement.

 

[Halifax Tar]

From what I have gleaned on the "Father of the USN Nuclear Sub Force" Rickover could be a dick BUT when you're dealing with nukes.....being a dick is what is needed

His wiki article is a great read.

The man was a dedicated Naval officer that's for sure.

 

[Prairie canuck]

As per Google AI:
For the last three decades, Germany’s defense procurement has been plagued by systemic delays, massive cost overruns, and bureaucratic hurdles.
-Procurement Bottlenecks: Any project exceeding €25 million requires approval from the Bundestag’s budget committee, which can lead to years of legislative reviews and contract stagnation
-Naval and Major Programs: Major manufacturing and naval acquisitions—such as the Puma infantry fighting vehicles, the NH90 helicopter, and various frigate programs—have historically experienced years of delayed deliveries and required massive budget expansions

Nothing new there regarding German blunders and mismanagement. Their recent history should be a warning to stay clear.

Are there penalties for not meeting delivery dates?