Royal Canadian Air Force headed to mission in Africa ‘very soon’: top general

[Eye In The Sky]

Balkans??

I'd agree with that for UNPROFOR, but was it the same for the IFOR/KFOR/SFOR?

I'd go with Rwanda as my answer.  And that was 2 decades + change ago now.

* maybe people assuming the worst ref ROE for Mali is based on the lack of confidence they have towards the sitting government and how "in stride" the CDS may be viewed to be with them.

 

[Retired AF Guy]

Latest from the Canadian Press:

Canada’s Mali mission will emphasize deployment of female peacekeepers

By The Canadian Press — Mar 18 2018

OTTAWA — The Canadian military's upcoming foray into Mali is expected to include a marked female presence as the Trudeau government looks to have Canada lead by example in the push to have more women on peacekeeping missions.

Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland and Defence Minister Harjit Sajjan on Monday will unveil details of Canada's mission to Mali, which will centre around the deployment of up to six military helicopters.

The Canadian contingent will be a combination of Chinook helicopters, which will be tasked with providing medical evacuations and logistical support, and smaller Griffons to act as armed escorts for the larger transports.

The decision to send military helicopters to Mali follows a direct request from the United Nations after the Trudeau government promised in November to make such aircraft available to a future peacekeeping mission.

But a senior government official says Canada will also take the opportunity to make good on another commitment, namely to help increase the number of peacekeepers who are women.

The official says that starts with walking the walk, which is why the military will attempt to ensure women are well represented among the 200 to 250 Canadian military personnel deployed to Mali.

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[PuckChaser]

Here we go. People will be picked for deployment solely based on their gender. What a #$%#ing joke.

 

[Jed]

Latest from the Canadian Press:

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Oh wow.  A whole new level of stupidity.  How in good conscience can the CDS go along with this?  Or the esteemed Generals within the Liberal party or on the Senate?

Not only are we tasking troops to a unnecessary FUBAR UN Mission we are going to select our troops base on some BS gender qualification rather than assigning positions on suitability.

 

[tomahawk6]

The USN took over Camp Lemonier and the Chinese have a naval base in country.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Here we go. People will be picked for deployment solely based on their gender. What a #$%#ing joke.

Right?

All those males that dutifully stuck around while their peers jumped shipped.  Quietly plugging along, waiting for a tour.

Surprise lol


There's your feminist focused armed forces gentlemen.

 

[Blackadder1916]

Here we go. People will be picked for deployment solely based on their gender. What a #$%#ing joke.

Yeah, it's not like people were ever previously selected/excluded from deployment based solely on their gender.  As much as the current government's feminist policy is a little out to lunch, what makes you think that "unqualified" people will be deployed simply because of their gender.  Especially since the percentage of females in Air Force trades and particularly in medical trades are likely to be higher than in combat arms.

 

[PuckChaser]

Yeah, it's not like people were ever previously selected/excluded from deployment based solely on their gender.  As much as the current government's feminist policy is a little out to lunch, what makes you think that "unqualified" people will be deployed simply because of their gender.  Especially since the percentage of females in Air Force trades and particularly in medical trades are likely to be higher than in combat arms.

So just because a bunch of dinosaurs in the CAF did it, its OK now for 2 wrongs to make a right? If I told you I was picking a man over a woman in any trade for a deployment because they were a man, you'd lose your mind. However, its suddenly OK to do the opposite?

I was brought up by my parents and taught by solid leaders in the CAF that it doesn't matter what your race/creed/gender are, if you can do the job you're a valued member of the team and should be rewarded for it. By forcing the CAF into identity politics, we no longer teach our leaders to promote the best, but to promote to a gender quota. There's absolutely nothing wrong with trying to increase women wanting to join the CAF, but when you limit operational commanders flexibility to have the best troops available, then you limit the operational effectiveness of the CAF as a whole.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Yeah, it's not like people were ever previously selected/excluded from deployment based solely on their gender. 

Please tell me which tour where gender was a wide spread criteria when it came to selection to deploy.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

Here we go. People will be picked for deployment solely based on their gender. What a #$%#ing joke.

Did you miss this one in the news recently??

RCAF member deploys as gender advisor

Pretty happy to be receiving the "Kuwait medal" (show me that one in the Chart...and that's from a frickin' CAF website).  rly:  If there was a Kuwait medal, it would a miniature 'top of an ice cream container' instead of the GSM medal.  :rofl:

Brace yourselves...it's going to get worse...much much worse I fear...before it...well, I don't honestly think it will get better at this time.  Not with Mr Dressup at the helm.  It will get worse.  When IMPACT started, the CAF wouldn't send SERE SMEs into theatre to talk to the coalition JPRC folks, there was 'no need' but there was no issue having 2 fuckin Official Visits Officers (Maj's) on a camp of people that didn't need to be there in the first fuckin' place.

This shit is just going to get worse IMO. 

 

[Eye In The Sky]

Please tell me which tour where gender was a wide spread criteria when it came to selection to deploy.

Actually doesn't that kind of go against the Canadian Charter stuff?  Discrimination based on sex...something something...

 

[Jarnhamar]

Actually doesn't that kind of go against the Canadian Charter stuff?  Discrimination based on sex...something something...

That's the way she goes, boys.

;D

 

[Bird_Gunner45]

Please tell me which tour where gender was a wide spread criteria when it came to selection to deploy.

In Jordan one of the main efforts has been assisting with the Jordanian Army's womens centre of excellence. Perhaps the "female" focus is something similar, which would make sense. 

On an aside- the decision in jordan to emphasize this was as it was seen as something canada could do well with minimal personnel/fiscal investment and was high visibility (king Abdullah I I often visited).

 

[garb811]

So just because a bunch of dinosaurs in the CAF did it, its OK now for 2 wrongs to make a right? If I told you I was picking a man over a woman in any trade for a deployment because they were a man, you'd lose your mind. However, its suddenly OK to do the opposite?

I was brought up by my parents and taught by solid leaders in the CAF that it doesn't matter what your race/creed/gender are, if you can do the job you're a valued member of the team and should be rewarded for it. By forcing the CAF into identity politics, we no longer teach our leaders to promote the best, but to promote to a gender quota. There's absolutely nothing wrong with trying to increase women wanting to join the CAF, but when you limit operational commanders flexibility to have the best troops available, then you limit the operational effectiveness of the CAF as a whole.

You know, I used to hear the same thing during Bosnia and Afghanistan.  Troops upset they were being left behind because there was an arbitrary quota that needed to be filled.  Only difference there, the "quota" was the 20% Reserve requirement...  Strangely enough, there was a common theme to the troops who weren't getting what they thought was "their" tour.  But in the end, everyone who wanted a tour eventually got one, or more.

 

[Bird_Gunner45]

Did you miss this one in the news recently??

RCAF member deploys as gender advisor

Pretty happy to be receiving the "Kuwait medal" (show me that one in the Chart...and that's from a frickin' CAF website).  rly:  If it was the Kuwait medal, it would a minitop 'top of an ice cream container' instead of the GSM medal.  :rofl:

Brace yourselves...it's going to get worse...much much worse I fear...before it...well, I don't honestly think it will get better at this time.  Not with Mr Dressup at the helm.  It will get worse.  When IMPACT started, the CAF wouldn't send SERE SMEs into theatre to talk to the coalition JPRC folks, there was 'no need' but there was no issue having 2 ****** Official Visits Officers (Maj's) on a camp of people that didn't need to be there in the first ******' place.

This crap is just going to get worse IMO.

Kuwait is a textbook definition of the self picking lollipop

 

[Eye In The Sky]

Kuwait is a textbook definition of the self picking lollipop

And yet deemed successful, so the Senior Officers etc who 'deployed' there will go on in their march up the ladder thinking it was 'the way to do things'.  :

After the '18s left there wasn't even a need for a "air operations cell" in Kuwait and, on top of that,  there was a real one in another location looking after the entire coalition, like, some kind of...Combined Air Ops Center...

CJOC =  :facepalm: : :brickwall: ullhair:  Looks like my community will be sitting this one out.  I hope our brothers and sisters in the TH community have clear skies and fair winds.  :cdnsalute:

 

[PuckChaser]

You know, I used to hear the same thing during Bosnia and Afghanistan.  Troops upset they were being left behind because there was an arbitrary quota that needed to be filled.  Only difference there, the "quota" was the 20% Reserve requirement...  Strangely enough, there was a common theme to the troops who weren't getting what they thought was "their" tour.  But in the end, everyone who wanted a tour eventually got one, or more.

I lived through that. For Op ATTENTION Roto 1, someone decided just before silly week that there wasn't enough reservists deploying. We had started predeployment training in September (for the Force Pro guys) and Mid October for everyone else. Individuals who had just done 6-8 weeks of predeployment training were told they weren't going, just before Christmas, and we had to scramble to train a bunch of reservists in January for a mid-Feb deployment. They even had a hard time finding reservists to fill the slots, because all the ones that wanted to deploy had put their names in and gotten the tour.

I also think its a completely different situation to equate a gender quota to a quota for reservists. No male in the CAF should think they are entitled to a tour over a woman, and if they do, they shouldn't be in the CAF. Quotas for reservists are arbitrary numbers and in no way involve discrimination on Charter grounds.

 

[OldSolduer]

The CAF is quickly becoming another military that relies on “advisors” ( I really mean “political officers”) to ensure we are operationally ineffective.

 

[Cloud Cover]

I’m going to try and be an optimist about the gender issue. Is it not true that the assholes the Griffons will hopefully gun down or the Chinooks will deliver in terms of smoking barrel hell, are the ones that need the gender education. I think there might be something satisfying in having CAF women have a big part in that. And, to be very clear, I wish no harm or bad luck whatsoever to come to any member of the Armed forces, I fully expect that the same expectations of selfless, non gender specific sacrifice be expected of same. Nobody on civvie street gave two shits when my friends got blown into a pink mist after their caskets rolled down the 401, will the citizenry we have feel the same just because of gender. I think “we can and must do better”. (#slaytoo!)

It’s time to step up ( Times Up!)  what’s between the legs should not matter.* Again, to be very clear, I expect the cry baby Mr Dressup to be respectful of the sacrifice AND the delivery of death to assholes that need a good killing. In fact, I would like to see the words “Bitchin Ride” chalked on a Griffon.

* edit: but what’s clearly in the mind of our PM apparently much of the time is exactly that.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Stand aside, ladies... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfNcJBbRNpk