Russia warns U.S. over Czech missile defence base

[sober_ruski]

Cold War? Not really, there are too many trade connections now - The  Russian organizations that count also have too much to lose - I mean the Russian mafia (a war would surely decrease their annual profits from money laundering, racketeering, prostitution, and smuggling). Has Eastern expansion benefitted NATO? Aren't Estonian, Latvian, Lithuanian, Polish, Hungarian, Bulgarian, Romanian troops involved on NATO operations. Isn't it every country's right to choose what organizations to belong to? Stuff the Bear. Anyway - if they invade and drive towards Germany they'd have to go either by railroad or road. The railroads are electrical - just cut off the juice - (they are also of a different gauge as well); if they do so by road, they have to cross Poland, and they wouldn't get 10 km before their vehicles fall to pieces due to encounters with the numerous potholes...

I can feel the dislike from here...
Where are your thanks to British for giving Poland to Germans, Peace in our time and all that junk, and then US and Brits to giving it to USSR after WW2? I am to assume you would have preferred NAZI rule in Poland instead? I know you would most likely want neither, but choosing between 2 evils...

Also, cutting juice might not be a good idea... i heard winters there are pretty cold... and homes use natural gas for heat and cooking

Dont forget little tidbit where Russians living their entire lives in countries like... Lithuania and Latvia were denied medical care, were kicked out of their houses, war memorials desecrated, etc etc etc. Should i also mention who held a parade to "honour" SS? As for those Baltic countries not being treated well? Shouldn't have collaborated with the wrong side during the war, eh?

Your mafia comment, I wont even bother replying to that, just shows how much you know and how biased you really are.
I am actually surprised you did not put "vodka in the baby bottles", bears walking on  the streets, and balalaikas everywhere in your post.


PS
Slavic people can organize things, but only after getting huge kick in the nuts

 

[AJFitzpatrick]

Who signed a deal with the Germans to divide Poland?
Who occupied the Baltic Republics in 1940?
Who invaded Finland?

Two sides to a coin.

 

[sober_ruski]

Yep, and i was showing the other side

 

[tomahawk6]

The US is looking to base the new mobile THAAD system in Poland/Czech republic.

 

[Bigmac]

March 5, 2007

German official calls for debate on U.S. anti-missile program

BRUSSELS, Belgium (AP) - Germany's foreign minister called Monday for a calm debate within the European Union, the NATO alliance and with Russia on U.S. plans to develop an anti-missile shield in Europe.

A top Russian general, however, increased the bellicose tone of the debate, noting that the Russian air force could easily knock out any such missile-defence sites the U.S. wants to place in Europe.

"Since missile-defence elements are weakly protected, all types of our aircraft are capable of applying electronic countermeasures against them or physically destroying them," Lt.-Gen. Igor Khvorov said Monday, according to the Russian news agencies Interfax and RIA-Novosti.

German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier, whose country holds the EU presidency, made his call for calm amid growing concerns in Moscow and in the EU over Washington's talks with the Czech Republic, Poland and Britain about those countries hosting radar bases and interceptor missiles as part of the plan.

"What we have to do now is to discuss this calmly within NATO and the EU and . . . to talk to the Russians," Steinmeier told reporters as he went into a meeting of EU foreign ministers.

Luxembourg's Foreign Minister, Jean Asselborn, said the U.S. plan was "incomprehensible," adding that money spent on a European missile-defence system could better be spent elsewhere.

"We will have no stability in Europe if we push the Russians into a corner," he said. "Here, one has to help the Poles and the Czechs to show solidarity with a European position."

The comments came ahead of Czech Prime Minister Mirek Topolanek's visit to NATO headquarters, where he was to discuss the controversial plan later Monday.

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/World/2007/03/05/pf-3699127.html

      Here is the latest development. Germany now wants talks with the EU, NATO, US and Russia over the missile plan. This issue is going to drag out for a long time.

 

[JackD]

Sober_ruski buddy, I'm a Cannuck living in Poland, as to the Russian mafia, come here, watch the news..... and did I say anything about Russia? Russia and the Russian mafia are two different organizations aren't they? Cutting juice refers to electicity too... By the way, I have visited and indeed have friends in Russia - whom I supported during the Yeltsin times when their salaries were not paid. People in Poland differentiate between Russia as empire and Russians as individuals, I am quite surprised that you did not know that - what with your knowledge of Poland, and Central European reality. Oh, and regarding some Lithuanians attempting to honour SS - this is rather a sore issue with Poland - in that many of the Nazi concentration camp guards came from Lithuania. Incidentally in some communities in Russia, bears do walk the streets - but then, so do they in Canada - need I mention Churchill.

 

[eerickso]

I am to assume you would have preferred NAZI rule in Poland instead?

I am sure lots of polish officers would have preferred NAZI rule.

Should i also mention who held a parade to "honour" SS?

I guess this is a good indication on how great a russian occupation is.

 

[sober_ruski]

"Yeltsin"

Dont even get me started on that baboon. Makes Liberals look like school children.

 

[Kirkhill]

From today's New York Times..... Gazprom, Putin, the Kremlin and the Federal Security Service certainly seem to think that the Cold War is still on.................

April 22, 2007
50% Good News Is the Bad News in Russian Radio
By ANDREW E. KRAMER
MOSCOW, April 21 — At their first meeting with journalists since taking over Russia’s largest independent radio news network, the managers had startling news of their own: from now on, they said, at least 50 percent of the reports about Russia must be “positive.”

In addition, opposition leaders could not be mentioned on the air and the United States was to be portrayed as an enemy, journalists employed by the network, Russian News Service, say they were told by the new managers, who are allies of the Kremlin.

How would they know what constituted positive news?

“When we talk of death, violence or poverty, for example, this is not positive,” said one editor at the station who did not want to be identified for fear of retribution. “If the stock market is up, that is positive. The weather can also be positive.”

In a darkening media landscape, radio news had been a rare bright spot. Now, the implementation of the “50 percent positive” rule at the Russian News Service leaves an increasingly small number of news outlets that are not managed by the Kremlin, directly or through the state national gas company, Gazprom, a major owner of media assets.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/22/world/europe/22russia.html?ei=5065&en=d4929f91a6c5b2aa&ex=1177819200&partner=MYWAY&pagewanted=print

I trust that we aren't having a failure to communicate here.

 

[a_majoor]

Perhaps the best answer would be to upgrade the Ageis cruisers of the US 6th fleet and start selling that technology to NATO navies as well........

 

[Mike Baker]

Perhaps the best answer would be to upgrade the Aegis cruisers of the US 6th fleet and start selling that technology to NATO navies as well........

I thought that the British had an Aegis type ship? I may be wrong, so don't condemn me.

 

[a_majoor]

I believe the Japanese are in the process of getting Ageis type ships, but I have not heard of the RN getting any. The United States offered to lease some to the RN to fill in for the type 42, but this offer was declined

http://www.btinternet.com/~warship/Today/type42.htm

 

[Mike Baker]

Must have been Japan I was thinking of.

 

[garb811]

Perhaps the Kongo class you're thinking of?  If so, the first was launched in '93.

 

[Flanker]

Who signed a deal with the Germans to divide Poland?
Who occupied the Baltic Republics in 1940?
Who invaded Finland?

My friend, what is your point?
Did you forget that some years before that Italy, Britain and France signed a similar agreement with the Germans in Munich?
And how then Poland, Hungary and Germans divided Czechoslovakia?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munich_Agreement

 

[nihilpavor]

The Cold War taught us that the MAD doctrine (mutual-assured destruction) worked somehow. By selling anti-missile systems to their allies, the American Government is augmenting the insecurity of every other nations who do not have such system in its arsenal. Insecurity isn't good news in International Relations; reducing it goes a long way toward peaceful relationship between nations. I can understand the Russians to be angry, every step taken in that direction in Europe reduces it's own dissuasive power, while augmenting their fear of being attacked. The Chinese fell the same way with Japan and Australia gearing up to to have such a system in place soon enough.

When there's actions taken that changes abruptly the balance of the world powers, extreme cautions must be taken as instability and insecurity can be our worst ennemies.  :skull:

 

[JackD]

By the way, the whole idea that this missile warning site and anti-missile missile set-up impinges on Russia is a bit farcical  as in the Kaliningrad area - bordering Poland, and Lithuania ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalingrad ) is home to their Baltic fleet and associated garrisons and aviation units http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/russia/agency/mf-baltic.htm  and abandoned facilities - with rather complex environmental problems:  http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3139817.stm  http://www.nato.int/ccms/pilot/subg0/meeting/defense95/d23.html

 

[DBA]

My friend, what is your point?
Did you forget that some years before that Italy, Britain and France signed a similar agreement with the Germans in Munich?
And how then Poland, Hungary and Germans divided Czechoslovakia?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munich_Agreement

There is a difference between appeasing aggressors by not helping allies and actively conquering territory. One is a friend that let you down, the other is the enemy that beat you up. Disappointment and sadness at the failure of a friend to act doesn't come close to the disgust and loathing towards the enemy that ruled cruelly and ineptly for decades.

 

[Mike Baker]

More on this here.

 

[Greymatters]

Its all politics...  :