Self Defence in Canada (split from Gun Control 2.0)

[PPCLI Guy]

No I don’t actually. I’d like to know.

Unless I am right out to lunch, a trigger lock is sufficient for NR. I chose to also secure them in a safe,

 

[suffolkowner]

Unless I am right out to lunch, a trigger lock is sufficient for NR. I chose to also secure them in a safe,

if you have coyotes or greater it doesnt have to be anything

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Unless I am right out to lunch, a trigger lock is sufficient for NR. I chose to also secure them in a safe,

In a safe there is no requirement for a trigger lock. If you take a closet and modify it for firearm storage and strengthen it, then that can count for safe storage as well. There was some case law on that point quite sometime ago.

Keep in mind that if a gun is in "use" ie you are cleaning or admiring it, then neither Transport or storage regs apply at that moment.

 

[RangerRay]

In a safe there is no requirement for a trigger lock. If you take a closet and modify it for firearm storage and strengthen it, then that can count for safe storage as well. There was some case law on that point quite sometime ago.

Keep in mind that if a gun is in "use" ie you are cleaning or admiring it, then neither Transport or storage regs apply at that moment.

"Your Honour, at the exact time the two dirtbags, er...defendants, broke into my house at 3 am, I just happened to be cleaning my gun!"

 

[OldSolduer]

"Your Honour, at the exact time the two dirtbags, er...defendants, broke into my house at 3 am, I just happened to be cleaning my gun!"

I have insomnia

 

[Lumber]

In a safe there is no requirement for a trigger lock. If you take a closet and modify it for firearm storage and strengthen it, then that can count for safe storage as well. There was some case law on that point quite sometime ago.

Keep in mind that if a gun is in "use" ie you are cleaning or admiring it, then neither Transport or storage regs apply at that moment.

You know, when it comes to safes, they can be "key-lock" safes, and the regulations don't actually state anywhere as to where the key must be located once the safe is locked. It just says the container must be one that is difficult to "break into". So, conceivably, you could lock it and then just leave the key in the lock. That would make it easy to "open" but wouldn't make it any less easy to "break" into.

"Your honour, I didn't break into the container, I unlocked it!"

 

[Jarnhamar]

so I'm considering getting a Byrna.

This one looks fun - until the judge nails you for having a replica assault-style weapon.

 

[PPCLI Guy]

In a safe there is no requirement for a trigger lock. If you take a closet and modify it for firearm storage and strengthen it, then that can count for safe storage as well. There was some case law on that point quite sometime ago.

Keep in mind that if a gun is in "use" ie you are cleaning or admiring it, then neither Transport or storage regs apply at that moment.

I know all of that. I am just a belt and suspenders type of guy

 

[Eaglelord17]

This very much a case of the legal landscape as you think it should be running up against the legal landscape as it it.

Listing home defense as your reason to apply for an NR PAL is one of the best ways to make sure that you're denied.

There's a whole rats nest of intermingled precedent- R v Nelson, R vs Sulland, R v Kerr, R v. Macdonald, and now R v Khill that illustrate that it's not as simple as the bold, that the imminence of the threat when you armed, the use of the item pre-threat, and your behaviour leading up to the confrontation all play a role in both the success of your self defense argument for the use of force, and the whether or not you're exposed to other breaches

You don’t list reasons for owning a non-restricted, that is only for Restricted licences. My argument is there is all sorts of valid reasons to own a firearm, personally I hunt, target shoot, and collect. Self defence is also a acceptable reason otherwise it would not be part of the law. Since you don’t need to actually state a reason for owning a non-restricted I wouldn’t be going into it with them. You aren’t limited to only one reason, and the reasons you do own may change with time and needs.

Yup- as it speaks directly to intended use. I thought about that before posting about the Byrna- but realistically if push comes to shove and it's relevant (an activist Crown/ Judge wants to push Sec 88) I'm going to be hooped. Hard to justify why 7 firearms for recreational purposes and all their ancilliary equipment are stored in one room, and one firearm for recreational purposes is in my bedside table.

I don't believe we do- everything I've seen is to the contrary. A firearm legally owned for a lawful purpose can be used opportunistically for self defense (if it was legally stored), but it's not seen as a valid reason for ownership

"An example of the interview questions would be "why do you want to own a firearm". Your answers to these interview questions are important. For example self defense is not a valid reason for owning firearms in Canada. Your only valid reason for wanting a Possession and Acquisition Licence is target shooting or hunting."

Getting your gun licence in Canada (PAL)

A firearms licence in Canada is known as a Possession and Acquisition Licence or PAL. There are 3 classes of the Possession and Acquisitio...

www.canadagunclub.com

I wouldn’t trust everything they say 100%. Considering collecting, live stock protection (which has important exemptions in the firearms act such as allowing you to have a loaded firearm nearby), etc. isn’t even in their list, they are missing some big ones.

You don’t need to justify how you store anything as long as it is within the legal limits. Self imposed restrictions will do nothing to save you if you actually do defend yourself, look at Ian Thompson where he was 100% justified in all his actions yet still was punished by process.

 

[Haggis]

Despite the wording of the Criminal Code and Firearms Act, previous Liberal governments have re-affirmed their policy position that self-defense is not an acceptable reason for owning a firearm in Canada.

Justice Minister Allan Rock and Public Safety Minister Bill Blair were very clear in their public statements to that effect. I would be shocked beyond imagination if that sentiment were to change with this government.