Sig Op QL3 Cease of Training Rumour???

[Eye In The Sky]

There are a few reasons I wouldn't put any money down on how it will look in the next couple of years.  One of those has a lot to do with INT and CELE officers - and the competencies/problems of each.  Either way, and with my total respect to these trades, I don't think we'll see an amalgamation with the Sig Ops and LCIS Techs, its just a different kettle of fish.

I attended the C & E Branch briefing late last year.  The Branch Col and CWO among others were there and said its happening.  They then showed the letter signed off by the CLS directing/authoring it to happen.  Its happening.  Its not just LCIS and Sig Op, its Linemen also.  I guess the fact that it didn't work so well for the 'blue' C & E world isn't discouraging the army sig's world from going ahead.  Good luck Army!  ;D

 

[JBP]

So we've obviously figured out and everybody knows that the Trades WILL join up... And CFSCE is staying open for business for obvious reasons and (hopefully!) modernizing they're training schedule!

Now over here at 1CMBG/LFWA, we're trying to become more self-sufficient and do our training locally at local colleges and training institutions already in place as well as have our own people train us up! And from what I keep hearing, CFSCE wants to (remain?) the centre for all Sigs training regardless of what stream you may have been thrown into, be that of a Sig Op TACNET operator/administrator or a Sig Op  HCLOS guy, or a Lineman MCpl, they want to remain the centre and have us keep going back there for all our training from all over the country!

Wouldn't it be quicker, easier and more cost effective for the military and each unit to train at thier own locale? I know some of this has been debated in other threads in related to other training and such, but I'm talking specifically about the Communications and Electronics here... Some of us require a lot of training to just be useful in our little world. And as long as the training is all streamlined and same, does it really matter if I train here in Edmonton or not?

I think puts less strain on those of us married and that such or otherwise to NOT have to travel across the country on a 5 week course for whatever reason and be seperated... Just my feeling...

 

[Canadian Sig]

I hate being away as much as the next guy (maybe more as my wife is also in so we're apart twice as much) but i still support cetralized training at a school. I have found over the yers that the areas/Bdes all do things differently. I think that if we stopped training together that it would just worsen.

jsut my opinion.

 

[PMedMoe]

Wouldn't it be quicker, easier and more cost effective for the military and each unit to train at thier own locale? I know some of this has been debated in other threads in related to other training and such, but I'm talking specifically about the Communications and Electronics here... Some of us require a lot of training to just be useful in our little world. And as long as the training is all streamlined and same, does it really matter if I train here in Edmonton or not?

This may not be feasible at all units when you look at the requirements for instructors, equipment, support staff, training areas, etc.

I think puts less strain on those of us married and that such or otherwise to NOT have to travel across the country on a 5 week course for whatever reason and be seperated

One reason that it's good to go elsewhere for courses, is not having your domestic duties take priority over studying, etc.
If five weeks away will put a "strain" on your marriage, what is a tour (and all the pre-deployment training) going to do to it?

 

[PuckChaser]

Wouldn't it be quicker, easier and more cost effective for the military and each unit to train at thier own locale? I know some of this has been debated in other threads in related to other training and such, but I'm talking specifically about the Communications and Electronics here... Some of us require a lot of training to just be useful in our little world. And as long as the training is all streamlined and same, does it really matter if I train here in Edmonton or not?

Standards would be completely different from Base to Base, causing a huge "base knowledge" gap. Even if you have a MLP done up at CFSCE and sent around to units, you'd have so much personal interpretation thrown in there that some guys would end up super operators, and others would barely know VP. I also agree with PMedMoe, in that CFSCE already has all the labs, classrooms, training area time, and a support system set up. Decentralizing that would just waste all sorts of taxpayer money for little to no gain.

 

[Canadian Sig]

Although it would mean I would never get posted to the school.  ;D

 

[PuckChaser]

That's probably the best thing about the idea, lol! I only have to go back there for 4 weeks for my QL6a, then never again, especially if I CT. We'll have hovercars before I need my QL6b.

 

[211RadOp]

Right now there is a WO from the school in Wx going around trying to get the jobs that Sigs are doing so that they can be broken down into the various DP's. It is happening and it is happening fast. Hold on to your RF!

 

[Canadian Sig]

Send him over to my LAV to see my job. Maybe they will start teaching some combat training at CFSCE.

 

[EW]

I attended the C & E Branch briefing late last year.  The Branch Col and CWO among others were there and said its happening.  They then showed the letter signed off by the CLS directing/authoring it to happen.  Its happening.  Its not just LCIS and Sig Op, its Linemen also.  I guess the fact that it didn't work so well for the 'blue' C & E world isn't discouraging the army sig's world from going ahead.  Good luck Army!  ;D

My reference was in regard to those two trades amalgamating with Comm Rsch (which is also controlled by the Army).  Not too surprised to see LCIS, Sig Ops and Linemen trade lines merge to some degree.  Cheers.

 

[211RadOp]

Send him over to my LAV to see my job. Maybe they will start teaching some combat training at CFSCE.

He is working on DP1 right now, so I don't think it will be a priority for him  ;D

 

[Sig_Des]

Now over here at 1CMBG/LFWA, we're trying to become more self-sufficient and do our training locally at local colleges and training institutions already in place as well as have our own people train us up! And from what I keep hearing, CFSCE wants to (remain?) the centre for all Sigs training regardless of what stream you may have been thrown into, be that of a Sig Op TACNET operator/administrator or a Sig Op  HCLOS guy, or a Lineman MCpl, they want to remain the centre and have us keep going back there for all our training from all over the country!

This isn't so much about being self-sufficient and doing training locally. It's because those courses are in regards to skill-sets that are specialized and not taught in general at the School. And it's not just 1 CMBG

The School is supposed to teach you the basics, and once you get to units, you get OJT. Then, once those specialised skill-sets become not so specialized, and more common, you start seeing the training run at the school.

 

[SigOp_Geek]

We got this info in a o-group 2 weeks ago.

1 Apr 09 (not an early april fool's joke) is the scheduled date for the first QL3 course for Sig Op, Lineman, LCIS combined course.  5's will follow.  There is NO indication of what will happen with Spec Pay (LCIS guys relax...we were told you wouldn't lose it).  Students will do OJT at their units after their 3s and after their 5s.  The INTENTION is for the people to get experience at ALL THREE sub-Signals trades and that their UNITS will decide what they will specialize in once they go on to their 6As.  Should be interesting to see people that went through a SigOp 3s course go on a combined 5s course:  (you want me to climb WHAAAAAT???)

 

[Sig_Des]

Should be interesting to see people that went through a SigOp 3s course go on a combined 5s course

Thank God for Grand-Fathering.

I am, however, interested in seeing where they'll incorporate POET.

 

[meni0n]

So what will happen to the people that let's say want to switch trades within the branch? An OT wouldn't work if a SigOp want to switch to LCIS. Maybe they'll make POET a QL4 for people selected to go tech and then go to their appropriate 5s?

 

[Sig_Des]

So what will happen to the people that let's say want to switch trades within the branch? An OT wouldn't work if a SigOp want to switch to LCIS. Maybe they'll make POET a QL4 for people selected to go tech and then go to their appropriate 5s?

From what I understand from talking to Branch Staff, this is one of the big reasons for the amalgamation ; ease of switching sub-trades

 

[Canadian Sig]

I just want to know what it means for the damned spec pay... ;D

 

[Sig_Des]

I just want to know what it means for the damned spec pay... ;D

You and me both! 8)

 

[meni0n]

Another issue is, will they be rerolling people from the other two trades into SigOp to bring the numbers up? And it seems like a move towards bringing our numbers up as people kind of won't have a choice even if they do want to be a tech, they can end up a SigOp or a Lineman, considering the shortage at the time.

 

[aesop081]

Another issue is, will they be rerolling people from the other two trades into SigOp to bring the numbers up? And it seems like a move towards bringing our numbers up as people kind of won't have a choice even if they do want to be a tech, they can end up a SigOp or a Lineman, considering the shortage at the time.

I would be careful with that line of thinking. Its not because you are short Sig Ops that you can aford to go shorter on LCIS and so on. Retention also becomes an issue. I said it before, the army will learn the hard way the downfalls of amalgamation.