Sikh & India (Alleged) Shenanigans in Canada (split fm Non-Muslim terr thread)

[OldSolduer]

Frankly I would love to see the people involved convicted of murder. Including the ones up here.

IF the woman who gave Ketamine (or whatever) to Matthew Perry or the woman who supplied John Belushi with coke can be convicted of a criminal action....why not dealers and smugglers ??

 

[ModlrMike]

IF the woman who gave Ketamine (or whatever) to Matthew Perry or the woman who supplied John Belushi with coke can be convicted of a criminal action....why not dealers and smugglers ??

I fully agree with you, but police and prosecutors would have to have solid evidence regarding the supply chain. Not an impossible task, but quite difficult I wager.

 

[lenaitch]

IF the woman who gave Ketamine (or whatever) to Matthew Perry or the woman who supplied John Belushi with coke can be convicted of a criminal action....why not dealers and smugglers ??

It does happen:

Drug dealer convicted in fatal overdose after selling fentanyl to golf trio

A Brantford drug dealer caused the death of one of a trio of golfers who took fentanyl-laced cocaine five years ago.

lfpress.com

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www.tvo.org

 

[The Bread Guy]

Latest on the whole Nijjar fracas ....

Federal lawyers seek to shield information in Nijjar murder case on security grounds

The federal attorney general is looking to shield some information from disclosure on national security grounds in the trial of four men accused of killing Canadian Sikh activist Hardeep Singh Nijjar.

www.ctvnews.ca

Canada wants to withhold ‘sensitive’ information from trial over Sikh leader’s killing | Globalnews.ca

Allowing the information to be disclosed 'would be injurious to international relations and national security,' the Attorney General of Canada argued.

globalnews.ca

Backstory refresher (with the usual GIGO Wikipedia caveats)

Hardeep Singh Nijjar - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[brihard]

Latest on the whole Nijjar fracas ....

Federal lawyers seek to shield information in Nijjar murder case on security grounds

The federal attorney general is looking to shield some information from disclosure on national security grounds in the trial of four men accused of killing Canadian Sikh activist Hardeep Singh Nijjar.

www.ctvnews.ca

Canada wants to withhold ‘sensitive’ information from trial over Sikh leader’s killing | Globalnews.ca

Allowing the information to be disclosed 'would be injurious to international relations and national security,' the Attorney General of Canada argued.

globalnews.ca

Backstory refresher (with the usual GIGO Wikipedia caveats)

Hardeep Singh Nijjar - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

That has the potential to slow court proceedings down significantly. This is the “Section 38 Canada Evidence Act” process in federal court that I’ve written about previously.

 

[The Bread Guy]

Almost posted this to the interference thread, but not zackly f**king with government per se.

ICC suspends Cricket Canada after corruption allegations: What it means for players and the board

NEW DELHI: The International Cricket Council (ICC) on Monday suspended Cricket Canada from ICC membership with immediate effect after its Board meetings in Ahmedabad, citing serious breaches of membership obligations.

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

Cricket Canada consults experts after CEO charged with theft and fraud

Cricket Canada says it is “consulting with legal and governance experts to determine the appropriate course of action” in the wake of CEO Salman Khan being charged with theft and fraud.

www.ctvnews.ca

ICC to probe Canada Cricket’s decision to hire CEO charged with theft and fraud

The ICC has written to the Canadian body demanding an explanation as to how Salman Khan was promoted to CEO.

torontosun.com

With this "whoever could be behind this shit?" piece.

Threats, corruption and intimidation: Is the Bishnoi gang calling shots at Cricket Canada? | RCI

Allegations emerge as Cricket Canada leaders accused of match-fixing and poor governance

ici.radio-canada.ca

 

[CBH99]

That has the potential to slow court proceedings down significantly. This is the “Section 38 Canada Evidence Act” process in federal court that I’ve written about previously.

Brihard - I'm curious as to your thoughts on the crown asking to keep certain infornation private in this case?

(I'm tempted to jump to an opinion, but it would probably be an ignorant one. You are far more competent in these matters than I am)

 

[brihard]

Brihard - I'm curious as to your thoughts on the crown asking to keep certain infornation private in this case?

(I'm tempted to jump to an opinion, but it would probably be an ignorant one. You are far more competent in these matters than I am)

I don’t know anymore than you or anyone else here on the specific case… About the most I’d feel comfortable saying is that crown won’t voluntarily invite the ugly hell of disclosure and litigation in a S.38 case unless they really have to. It can delay things by a couple of years and just means a lot more work and expense for everyone.

About all we can reasonably infer is that if S.38’s in play, that means police have probably, grudgingly, had to receive and grapple with information that doesn’t come from within conventional policing and that consequently must be protected. I don’t think that’s ever desired; info that can’t be disclosed in court is the exact opposite of what police and prosecuting crown hope for.

As for whose info and where it comes from? Maybe in a while we’ll see the court allow redacted summaries of the info that’s being
Suppressed. S.38 doesn’t have to be all or nothing- the black boxes can have words on top of it to give the gist of what’s protected.

I’m definitely interested in how it all plays out.

 

[mariomike]

Some controversy about a Sikh parade in Brampton couple days ago.

Apparently , commemorating Operation Blue Star in 1984 at India's Golden Temple.

https://x.com/i/trending/2064375711721279573

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Some controversy about a Sikh parade in Brampton couple days ago.

Apparently , commemorating Operation Blue Star in 1984 at India's Golden Temple.

https://x.com/i/trending/2064375711721279573

I think, no more parade permits for them

 

[OldSolduer]

I think, no more parade permits for them

I would agree with this and maybe have them...watched....

 

[CountDC]

It's Brampton, wouldn't matter if they have a permit or not as they basically do what they want.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

It's Brampton, wouldn't matter if they have a permit or not as they basically do what they want.

That's why we have a Federal Police Force.

 

[brihard]

That's why we have a Federal Police Force.

No? Public order policing is a matter for the police of jurisdiction- municipal or provincial. RCMP would investigate any hypothetical national security offences (participation in terrorist activity; terrorist financing or propaganda), but that wouldn’t be visible to the public, and it would happen separate from any public order work being done by whoever polices that area.

Municipal permits for protests are more a matter of municipal convenience. Protesting without one is not criminal. It’s up to municipalities how hard they want to push on that, but there’s only so far before it becomes a Charter issue.

Anyway. Yeah- clearing the streets of protesters isn’t a federal thing. In very rare instances, RCMP who are not also the local police of jurisdiction might be asked for assistance (e.g., Windsor and Ottawa blockades), but that’s assisting POJ, not inherent to the federal part of their mandate.

 

[Halifax Tar]

No? Public order policing is a matter for the police of jurisdiction- municipal or provincial. RCMP would investigate any hypothetical national security offences (participation in terrorist activity; terrorist financing or propaganda), but that wouldn’t be visible to the public, and it would happen separate from any public order work being done by whoever polices that area.

Municipal permits for protests are more a matter of municipal convenience. Protesting without one is not criminal. It’s up to municipalities how hard they want to push on that, but there’s only so far before it becomes a Charter issue.

Anyway. Yeah- clearing the streets of protesters isn’t a federal thing. In very rare instances, RCMP who are not also the local police of jurisdiction might be asked for assistance (e.g., Windsor and Ottawa blockades), but that’s assisting POJ, not inherent to the federal part of their mandate.

Complete 'what if'.

What if municipal police for XXX refused to uphold certain federal laws ?

In Ont, would that fall on the Opp to tackle ?

In NS, would it go to the RCMP ?

Honest questions.

Thanks in advance.

 

[brihard]

Complete 'what if'.

What if municipal police for XXX refused to uphold certain federal laws ?

In Ont, would that fall on the Opp to tackle ?

In NS, would it go to the RCMP ?

Honest questions.

Thanks in advance.

Yup, so, all criminal law is federal, but that doesn’t determine enforcement jurisdiction. Constitutionally, administration of law and justice is provincial.

In Ontario, yes, if a municipal agency falls short it falls to OPP. In Nova Scotia, the Police Act establishes the existence of the Nova Scotia Provincial Police and sets out all their responsibilities. Then there’s a section that lets the province enter an arrangement with RCMP to be the NSPP, and of course that’s what presently exists. So yes- if municipal police in Nova Scotia can’t handle something, it goes to the Mounties acting as provincial police. But not to their federal policing branch, save to the extent they may borrow some federal bodies temporarily in an emergency to put on a uniform and do patrol stuff.

Now, the RCMP do federal policing everywhere in Canada- stuff like national security, border, transnational organized crime, major cybercrime… Some of this overlaps provincial responsibility (cybercrime, drugs), some does not (national security, border). There’s further nuance in who prosecutes (fed or provincial crown) too.

If the federal government establishes certain law enforcement priorities and wants to augment with federal policing because of the national/international scale, to an extent they can… I guess for a simplistic and non-contentious example, if the Mounties wanted to take on interprovincial human trafficking as a federal policing initiative they could so so in parallel to the provinces and municipalities. But mostly there’s not much overlap anymore except at higher level organized crime.

Sorry, you got me nerding out. Did I hit what you were actually asking?

 

[Halifax Tar]

Yup, so, All criminal law is federal, but that doesn’t determine enforcement jurisdiction. Constitutionally, administration of law and justice is provincial.

In Ontario, yes, if a municipal agency falls short it falls to OPP. In Nova Scotia, the Police Act establishes the existence of the Nova Scotia Provincial Police and sets out all their responsibilities. Then there’s a section that lets the province enter an arrangement with RCMP to be the NSPP, and of course that’s what presently exists. So yes- if municipal police in Nova Scotia can’t handle something, it goes to the Mounties acting as provincial police. But not to their federal policing branch, save to the extent they may borrow some federal bodies temporarily in an emergency to put on a uniform and do patrol stuff.

Now, the RCMP do federal policing everywhere in Canada- stuff like national security, border, transnational organized crime, major cybercrime… Some of this overlaps provincial responsibility (cybercrime, drugs), some does not (national security, border). There’s further nuance in who prosecutes (fed or provincial crown) too.

If the federal government establishes certain law enforcement priorities and wants to augment with federal policing because of the national/international scale, to an extent they can… I guess for a simplistic and non-contentious example, if the Mounties wanted to take on interprovincial human trafficking as a federal policing initiative they could so so in parallel to the provinces and municipalities. But mostly there’s not much overlap anymore except at higher level organized crime.

Sorry, you got me nerding out. Did I hit what you were actually asking?

Broadly, I think so. And I apprecaite the reply.

Does it change if, for discussions sake, the HRPD refuses to enforce laws XYZ ? Vice is unable too ?

Probably being pedantic about refuse VS unable but its interesting quandary in my mind.

 

[brihard]

Broadly, I think so. And I apprecaite the reply.

Does it change if, for discussions sake, the HRPD refuses to enforce laws XYZ ? Vice is unable too ?

Probably being pedantic about refuse VS unable but its interesting quandary in my mind.

I very specifically and deliberately stay out of the gun control thread. I don’ know if or how the government might try to divert federal resources to any of that. I suspect little would be available to be spared from what they’re already doing in federal policing unless the government decided to hemmorhage overtime funding at it.

 

[Halifax Tar]

I very specifically and deliberately stay out of the gun control thread.

Fair, I wasn't actually leaning this way. But I could see as cultural demographics change, including the composition of our PDs; and then the cultural and legal beliefs collide it could become an issue.

I don’ know if or how the government might try to divert federal resources to any of that. I suspect little would be available to be spared from what they’re already doing in federal policing unless the government decided to hemmorhage overtime funding at it.

I appreciate your insight.

 

[brihard]

Fair, I wasn't actually leaning this way. But I could see as cultural demographics change, including the composition of our PDs; and then the cultural and legal beliefs collide it could become an issue.



I appreciate your insight.

Sorry! I thought you were picking my brain in that specific direction. Probably not an outlandish guess, lol, but a wrong one on my part.