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Sikh & India (Alleged) Shenanigans in Canada (split fm Non-Muslim terr thread)

Complete 'what if'.

What if municipal police for XXX refused to uphold certain federal laws ?

In Ont, would that fall on the Opp to tackle ?

In NS, would it go to the RCMP ?

Honest questions.

Thanks in advance.
Yup, so, all criminal law is federal, but that doesn’t determine enforcement jurisdiction. Constitutionally, administration of law and justice is provincial.

In Ontario, yes, if a municipal agency falls short it falls to OPP. In Nova Scotia, the Police Act establishes the existence of the Nova Scotia Provincial Police and sets out all their responsibilities. Then there’s a section that lets the province enter an arrangement with RCMP to be the NSPP, and of course that’s what presently exists. So yes- if municipal police in Nova Scotia can’t handle something, it goes to the Mounties acting as provincial police. But not to their federal policing branch, save to the extent they may borrow some federal bodies temporarily in an emergency to put on a uniform and do patrol stuff.

Now, the RCMP do federal policing everywhere in Canada- stuff like national security, border, transnational organized crime, major cybercrime… Some of this overlaps provincial responsibility (cybercrime, drugs), some does not (national security, border). There’s further nuance in who prosecutes (fed or provincial crown) too.

If the federal government establishes certain law enforcement priorities and wants to augment with federal policing because of the national/international scale, to an extent they can… I guess for a simplistic and non-contentious example, if the Mounties wanted to take on interprovincial human trafficking as a federal policing initiative they could so so in parallel to the provinces and municipalities. But mostly there’s not much overlap anymore except at higher level organized crime.

Sorry, you got me nerding out. Did I hit what you were actually asking?
 
Yup, so, All criminal law is federal, but that doesn’t determine enforcement jurisdiction. Constitutionally, administration of law and justice is provincial.

In Ontario, yes, if a municipal agency falls short it falls to OPP. In Nova Scotia, the Police Act establishes the existence of the Nova Scotia Provincial Police and sets out all their responsibilities. Then there’s a section that lets the province enter an arrangement with RCMP to be the NSPP, and of course that’s what presently exists. So yes- if municipal police in Nova Scotia can’t handle something, it goes to the Mounties acting as provincial police. But not to their federal policing branch, save to the extent they may borrow some federal bodies temporarily in an emergency to put on a uniform and do patrol stuff.

Now, the RCMP do federal policing everywhere in Canada- stuff like national security, border, transnational organized crime, major cybercrime… Some of this overlaps provincial responsibility (cybercrime, drugs), some does not (national security, border). There’s further nuance in who prosecutes (fed or provincial crown) too.

If the federal government establishes certain law enforcement priorities and wants to augment with federal policing because of the national/international scale, to an extent they can… I guess for a simplistic and non-contentious example, if the Mounties wanted to take on interprovincial human trafficking as a federal policing initiative they could so so in parallel to the provinces and municipalities. But mostly there’s not much overlap anymore except at higher level organized crime.

Sorry, you got me nerding out. Did I hit what you were actually asking?

Broadly, I think so. And I apprecaite the reply.

Does it change if, for discussions sake, the HRPD refuses to enforce laws XYZ ? Vice is unable too ?

Probably being pedantic about refuse VS unable but its interesting quandary in my mind.
 
Broadly, I think so. And I apprecaite the reply.

Does it change if, for discussions sake, the HRPD refuses to enforce laws XYZ ? Vice is unable too ?

Probably being pedantic about refuse VS unable but its interesting quandary in my mind.
I very specifically and deliberately stay out of the gun control thread. I don’ know if or how the government might try to divert federal resources to any of that. I suspect little would be available to be spared from what they’re already doing in federal policing unless the government decided to hemmorhage overtime funding at it.
 
I very specifically and deliberately stay out of the gun control thread.

Fair, I wasn't actually leaning this way. But I could see as cultural demographics change, including the composition of our PDs; and then the cultural and legal beliefs collide it could become an issue.

I don’ know if or how the government might try to divert federal resources to any of that. I suspect little would be available to be spared from what they’re already doing in federal policing unless the government decided to hemmorhage overtime funding at it.

I appreciate your insight.
 
Fair, I wasn't actually leaning this way. But I could see as cultural demographics change, including the composition of our PDs; and then the cultural and legal beliefs collide it could become an issue.



I appreciate your insight.

Sorry! I thought you were picking my brain in that specific direction. Probably not an outlandish guess, lol, but a wrong one on my part.
 
I very specifically and deliberately stay out of the gun control thread. I don’ know if or how the government might try to divert federal resources to any of that. I suspect little would be available to be spared from what they’re already doing in federal policing unless the government decided to hemmorhage overtime funding at it.
There's a difference here between the compensated confiscation program and federal firearms laws which many people miss.

Local Police Services are refusing to participate in the program (which is not a law) as they see no crime fighting value in it for the amount of effort it will require, whether funded or not by the feds. That is not "refusing to enforce the law". But, come the end of the amnesty, if they come across someone in possession of a banned firearm, I expect they will act as per the Firearms Act. I doubt the feds will be proactively pursuing gun owners over this, but I was also surprised eariler this week by the actions of the SQ on the firearms front. Different topic for a different thread.
 
No? Public order policing is a matter for the police of jurisdiction- municipal or provincial. RCMP would investigate any hypothetical national security offences (participation in terrorist activity; terrorist financing or propaganda), but that wouldn’t be visible to the public, and it would happen separate from any public order work being done by whoever polices that area.

Municipal permits for protests are more a matter of municipal convenience. Protesting without one is not criminal. It’s up to municipalities how hard they want to push on that, but there’s only so far before it becomes a Charter issue.

Anyway. Yeah- clearing the streets of protesters isn’t a federal thing. In very rare instances, RCMP who are not also the local police of jurisdiction might be asked for assistance (e.g., Windsor and Ottawa blockades), but that’s assisting POJ, not inherent to the federal part of their mandate.
The Federal government likley can declare that such a protest/parade fall under a Foreign Affairs mandate and ask the Province not to allow any such permits to be issued, the Municipality is beholden to the Province. Not issuing the permit and actively blocking the parade/protest, will help on the diplomatic side, because I can bet the Indian government has protested this to their Canadian counterparts. If Canada is seen to do nothing, India might decide to restart their own clandestine operations again.
 
The Federal government likley can declare that such a protest/parade fall under a Foreign Affairs mandate and ask the Province not to allow any such permits to be issued, the Municipality is beholden to the Province. Not issuing the permit and actively blocking the parade/protest, will help on the diplomatic side, because I can bet the Indian government has protested this to their Canadian counterparts. If Canada is seen to do nothing, India might decide to restart their own clandestine operations again.
I apologize up front for being super blunt, but none of that has any relation to the reality of how operational decision making for police works. Governments cannot direct specific police operations, full stop.
 
Only time I saw the RCMP take on municipal policing was In 1981 when Halifax Police went on strike. Was a massive party everywhere then the RCMP arrived. They did not mess around and downtown streets were cleared real quick. My brother and his friends left in a hurry when they saw one smack a mouth piece in the arm with the billy club (or what ever they called it, we called it billy club). Sounded like the arm broke by the cracking sound, he screamed like a banshee and dropped to his knees. They decided it seemed like a good idea to head out rather than risk getting hit.
 
Meanwhile, in Surrey...

Man shot dead in Surrey, B.C., is alleged top Bishnoi gang member, fifth estate investigation reveals​

Following fifth estate report, RCMP confirms victim in daylight shooting was Gurvikramjeet Singh Warring​


A fifth estate investigation reveals a man killed in a Surrey, B.C., shooting earlier this year is alleged to be a high-ranking Bishnoi gang member named Gurvikramjeet Singh Warring, better known as Sam Canada.

A man shot in broad daylight in a targeted killing at an office building in Surrey, B.C., early last month was allegedly a "main handler" for the notorious Lawrence Bishnoi gang and had alleged ties to cricket fixing, the fifth estate has learned.

The RCMP's Integrated Homicide Investigation Team says the man was killed in an office inside a building complex on May 4 just after 3 p.m. local time.

For more than five weeks, investigators did not identify the victim or a motive for the shooting despite its public and brazen nature, leading to intrigue and suspicion within the community.


 
Some folk need a good killin…
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Meanwhile, in Surrey...

Man shot dead in Surrey, B.C., is alleged top Bishnoi gang member, fifth estate investigation reveals​

Following fifth estate report, RCMP confirms victim in daylight shooting was Gurvikramjeet Singh Warring​


A fifth estate investigation reveals a man killed in a Surrey, B.C., shooting earlier this year is alleged to be a high-ranking Bishnoi gang member named Gurvikramjeet Singh Warring, better known as Sam Canada.

A man shot in broad daylight in a targeted killing at an office building in Surrey, B.C., early last month was allegedly a "main handler" for the notorious Lawrence Bishnoi gang and had alleged ties to cricket fixing, the fifth estate has learned.

The RCMP's Integrated Homicide Investigation Team says the man was killed in an office inside a building complex on May 4 just after 3 p.m. local time.

For more than five weeks, investigators did not identify the victim or a motive for the shooting despite its public and brazen nature, leading to intrigue and suspicion within the community.



Just for context, a reminder that the Bishnoi gang is now a listed terrorist entity.

There are cultures in which fixing cricket matches would make that statement redundant.
 
Sorry! I thought you were picking my brain in that specific direction. Probably not an outlandish guess, lol, but a wrong one on my part.

Lol Definitely a reasonable guess.

And no worries. Thanks for the info.
 
The Federal government likley can declare that such a protest/parade fall under a Foreign Affairs mandate and ask the Province not to allow any such permits to be issued, the Municipality is beholden to the Province. Not issuing the permit and actively blocking the parade/protest, will help on the diplomatic side, because I can bet the Indian government has protested this to their Canadian counterparts. If Canada is seen to do nothing, India might decide to restart their own clandestine operations again.

Who said they ever stopped?

If they give them a permit, it should have a clause requiring them to clean up within a couple of hours of the event. Everytime the celebrate they leave the streets and parking lots full of garbage, trash, discharged fireworks and more.
 
Just for context, a reminder that the Bishnoi gang is now a listed terrorist entity.

There are cultures in which fixing cricket matches would make that statement redundant.

This discusses security concerns at a scheduled cricket match in King City , ON .

June 16, 2026

 
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