Speed, RCMP and 404s

[Bzzliteyr]

I jokingly got a ticket given to me by the Ottawa Carleton traffic det that escorted me through Ottawa in 2000 on the way to the war museum.

Infraction:  a burnt out headlight on my Leopard C2 that shook loose during my road move through town!!  (I have pictures that prove the light was functioning before we left but the Ottawa Sun picture has me with a headlight out. Imagine the razzing I got from the boys when I got back to the Armour school!!)

 

[George Wallace]

Although this is to do with only two of the three subjects( speed and 404's ). Thought it was worth mentioning.

Sometime in the early 70's in Germany, a M109 from A Bty 1 RCHA was caught speeding by the German Police.

Just picture a VW Bug with blue lights flashing chasing down a M109 for speeding. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Story goes that during a Regimental Parade, the Gun Sgt. and Driver were paraded before the CO and  presented with a framed picture of the ticket. I also believe there was a picture of the two German Police Officers handing the ticket to the Gun Sgt.

Not sure what punishment was handed out for the speeding offence but have to say, it was amusing. :warstory:

The first Leopard the RCD got was given a speeding ticket by the MPs, who had a Radar Trap at the Wash Racks between the Center and South Margs.  It had just been unloaded and hadn't even made it to the Regt in the North Marg.  Again, a proud moment in a Regimental History.

 

[PanaEng]

I would suggest you go to court. The worst that could happen is that you pay the fine; the best outcome: the police fail to show up or the paperwork was not done and you are clear. On average, people plead guilty with an explanation and get a reduced fine. If you don't fight it, you will have to pay.

cheers,
Frank

 

[Timmy!]

Only two questions remain. How does this affect my license (404/civi) and how to I go about being forthright and not blade my supervisor if he told me to "handle it".
Million dollar question right there.

It will not affect your civi license at all. The only reason why LEO's request your civi license is for their report afterwards. They do not recognized the 404 system. So it's the only way they will identify a member is with the Master Driver Number. There shouldn't be any demerits on your civi license due to this issue.

I was told this by Halifax Regional Police member last summer.

Regards,
Mr Plow

 

[helpup]

And yet we still have drivers who do not have Civi drivers permits, The police may not like that fact but it is a fact non the less

 

[Jager]

It will not affect your civi license at all. The only reason why LEO's request your civi license is for their report afterwards. They do not recognized the 404 system. So it's the only way they will identify a member is with the Master Driver Number. There shouldn't be any demerits on your civi license due to this issue.

I was told this by Halifax Regional Police member last summer.

Regards,
Mr Plow

And what does the LEO do if the 404 Auth driver doesn't have a Civi drivers permit of any kind at all? Would that be a problem for them (either the Leo, or member), or no? Just wondering since you said that they use the Civi license in there report afterwards.

 

[noneck]

TCBF- A little harsh maybe?

Cpl.Smith- We have a saying amongst non-traffic LEO's, "Rather a sister in a whorehouse, than a brother in traffic." It appears that you met the sterotypical traffic member.

The best time to dial this issue away was roadside, with a courteous plea to the member (in my opinion he was a dick to give a uniformed CF member a ticket in the first place). The second best time is at court, by showing up well turned out, pleading guilty and requesting a reduction in the fine.

Let us know how it goes.

Noneck

 

[TCBF]

TCBF- A little harsh maybe?...

- In retrospect - yes, a little harsh.

:-[

 

[YYC Retired]

"Most" LEO's I know don't write Military.... serving or retired. Here in Calgary there's a ton of respect for the folks in the Forces.

 

[gaspasser]

I'm going to be a bit of a devil's advocate here:
I can understand the support behind the troops and giving a uniformed member a "break" with a warning. 
BUT, you ARE driving a DND vehicle in uniform and you ARE out there in public, you ARE the military in the public's eyes. So, why should you not be driving safe and not being a dyck??? Why can't YOU be the example of proper safe driving skills on public roads?  Why should you not get a ticket for being unsafe???
There's a reason why on our QL3s (MSEOp) they are very strict on dress and discipline and our Safety Cells can be harsh. 
I'm going out on a limb by saying that some people's driving skills are a blemish on the military and make us MSEOps look bad.
My two cents worth...EVERYONE is a poster person for the Military. 
Think about it!

 

[PanaEng]

I'm going to be a bit of a devil's advocate here:
I can understand the support behind the troops and giving a uniformed member a "break" with a warning. 
BUT, you ARE driving a DND vehicle in uniform and you ARE out there in public, you ARE the military in the public's eyes. So, why should you not be driving safe and not being a dyck??? Why can't YOU be the example of proper safe driving skills on public roads?  Why should you not get a ticket for being unsafe???
There's a reason why on our QL3s (MSEOp) they are very strict on dress and discipline and our Safety Cells can be harsh. 
I'm going out on a limb by saying that some people's driving skills are a blemish on the military and make us MSEOps look bad.
My two cents worth...EVERYONE is a poster person for the Military.   
Think about it!

That's something we call all agree on - not just when driving either.
But we can't blame the originator of this thread either - we don't have the whole picture of why/how he got pulled over - the officer could have been a bit overzealous (PMS, stress or just plain A**hole). And we are not the only ones that may not give a good impression on the roads at all times. I have been in many a police cars driven by officers - not always on the back  ;D - and some of my friends there drive like they stole it and own the road.

anyway, just my $0.02

 

[gaspasser]

True.
I've seen the OPP drive like they stole right here around base!  There's a new 60 zone from an 80, some people slow down but most still do 80, I've had the cops pass me doing 90 in the that 60.  Yeah, you can bleed off an 80-90 and no one looks...but to have a cop pass you while you're speeding??!!  Doesn't look good for the OPP.  Or the same on Hwy 401!!  you can do 140+ and have a cop pass you!!!
Not good for PR.
But we are military and for years people slammed the military for getting away with things.  Either way, Be a Poster Person and help recruit! 

 

[mariomike]

The old cliche is true. Speed kills.  According to a study, ambulances are 13 times more likely to be involved in an accident than other vehicles in terms of the number of accidents per miles driven.  One strategy that seems to work  is a kind of  "black box" mounted under the ambulance's front seat called a "growler." By measuring more than 25 parameters of the vehicle's operation, such as acceleration, braking and the use of seat belts, lights and sirens, this black box gives Paramedics — and their supervisors — a precise picture of their every move on the road.
The boxes give audible cues to drivers when they are nearing or exceeding predetermined parameters for accelerating, braking and turning. When a Paramedic takes a turn too fast, the growler clicks like a Geiger counter. If the Paramedic exceeds the preset limit for a full second, the tone changes and the driver knows he or she has just been hit with a computerized violation of the driving policy.
Reductions of 20:1 in the severity of crashes have been reported. 

 

[missing1]

Does anyone else find it odd that near everyone here admits to doing an illegal act but complains about being ticketed. As to speeding on the 401 often times these (COPS) OPP are transporting blood products between areas of patrol or responding to a silent call. They don't use lights and sirens all the time. None of us are perfect.

Dave

 

[geo]

Why would you think it odd that people complain about being caught ???
People complain because... they can!
Look at the kind of cars we drive - (mine's a BMW740) we can speed, we do speed - just don't like being caught & made to pay for it.

FWIW, posted highway speeds in Quebec are 100KPH BUT during dry road conditions, the SQ/QPP will tolerate it so long as you keep it below 120 KPH - so I use cruise control AND set a speed alarm on my car for 119.

 

[mariomike]

Photo radar and red light cameras have proven to be effective deterents. So effective that public pressure forced the OPP  to stop using it on the 401. 

 

[PuckChaser]

Photo radar and red light cameras have proven to be effective deterents. So effective that public pressure forced the OPP  to stop using it on the 401. 

So they went and bought planes!!  >

 

[Love793]

Photo radar was stopped because they couldn't prove who the driver of the vehicle was, only that the vehicle in question was used to commit the offence.

 

[aesop081]

Photo radar was stopped because they couldn't prove who the driver of the vehicle was, only that the vehicle in question was used to commit the offence.

Thats why the law is written so that the registered owner is responsible. Photo radar and red light cameras are in use in several cities and they dont have a problem dishing out tickets. Who is driving the car is irrelevant and has nothing to do with removal of cameras in certain locations.

 

[Nfld Sapper]

And they seem to work very well in Europe.