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Matthew Fisher does some speculating in this piece from today's Ottawa Citizen. His assumptions are plausible, while his conclusions are perhaps less likely, but still possible. The piece is reproduced under the Fair Dealing provision of the Copyright Act.




With chemical weapons used in Syria, we could be part of military intervention


By Matthew Fisher, The Associated Press
April 30, 2013 5:07 AM


Will Canada be going to war any time soon against Syria?

That is unlikely in the near future. But not impossible after that.

The question has taken on fresh meaning recently because of word - first from Europe, then from Israel and finally from Washington - that Bashar Assad's regime may have used sarin gas against his own people.

Until now, there have been no telltale drumbeats from the White House suggesting that it will act, even if Assad sanctioned the use of chemical agents. This is unlike the drum crescendo before the Gulf wars in 1991 and 2003 and the U.S.-led war against Serbia in Kosovo in 1999. To great fanfare, warships, fighters jets and bombers and ground forces were deployed to the Middle East and to the Balkans. As forces massed in nearby waters and neighbouring countries, western politicians and generals issued threats against Saddam Hussein and Slobodan Milosevic that made it sound as if war was inevitable.

A quicker version of this well-rehearsed theatre happened before NATO went to war against Libya's Moammar Gadhafi two years ago.

With 70,000 dead already and several million internal and external refugees, the situation in Syria today is dire. This makes Assad as compelling a bogeyman as Hussein and Milosevic. Still, there has been almost no noise yet to suggest that a foreign military campaign to overthrow this tyrant is imminent or inevitable, although U.S. President Barack Obama hinted as much last summer when he said that if Syria used chemical weapons, that would cross "a red line."

There are many different factors at play now than before the conflicts in Iraq, the Balkans and Afghanistan. First and foremost, after the high cost in blood and treasure of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, the U.S. has become so tired of foreign military adventures that even red-meat Republican senators such as John McCain and Lindsey Graham are adamant that no American ground forces should be sent to Syria. What the senators favour is the imposition of a no-fly zone and the unleashing of a torrent of cruise missiles on Assad's airbases.

Another reason for western reluctance to get involved is that while Syria's air defences are not invincible, they are far superior to those that Saddam and Gaddafi had.

With Moscow and Beijing strongly opposed to any intervention and Islamic hardliners poised to seize power if Washington and the West tilt the civil war against Assad, the White House is left with a lot to ponder before deciding what to do. Nevertheless, after a lot of fighting and dying inside Syria, and with the use of chemical weapons now a strong possibility, a consensus appears to slowly be emerging that at some point in the next few months or year Obama will likely order a no-fly zone and, perhaps, some targeted airstrikes. To sell this to the American people and to the world, Washington will once again call on Ottawa and a few other western capitals to ask for their support.

The post-Cold War world has proven to be far more complicated militarily for Canada than at any time since the Korean War. Canada has already put its hand up for the first Gulf War, Kosovo, Afghanistan and Libya, with modest leadership roles in the last two of these conflicts. Yet despite that recent history, Canadian politicians and commentators have almost tuned out any discussion of the possibility that Ottawa might go to war in Syria.


Foreign Affairs Minister John Baird said last summer that Canada would not be part of any potential military action against Syria. But given the Harper government's tough talk on the Damascus file, its heavy involvement in NATO's Libyan war and its ties to Israel, which is jumpy about what is happening on its northern border, if Syria's use of chemical weapons is the catalyst that finally pushes the U.S. and NATO to become involved in a limited way, Canadian participation is highly likely.

It is a certainty that Lt.-Gen. Stu Beare's Canadian Joint Operations Command has already prepared contingency plans for the government to consider. It is a safe bet that the options include sending Hercules C-130J or C-17 transports to provide logistical support to assist Syrian refugees, re-tasking a Canadian frigate already operating in the Arabian Sea to be part of a maritime blockade of Syria's 120-kilometre long Mediterranean coastline and once again dispatching a dozen or so of Canada's CF-18 Hornets.

If Canada does become involved, something to watch for is whether its most experienced Afghan warrior, Maj.-Gen. Jon Vance - soon to be promoted to lieutenant-general, is given a leading role by NATO.

Vance is to become the deputy commander, Allied Joint Force Command, Naples, in two months. That is exactly the position from which Canada's Lt.-Gen. Charles Bouchard was named to lead NATO's military intervention in Libya.

A former Israeli defence minister alleged Monday that Syria's chemical weapons are "trickling" to the Lebanese militant group Hezbollah. It was the first such claim by a senior politician in Israel, but he did not supply evidence to support his assertion.

Binyamin Ben-Eliezer, a retired general who is now a lawmaker from the opposition Labor Party, told The Associated Press: "The process of weapon transferral to Hezbollah has begun."

He told Israel Radio that he "has no doubt" that Syrian President Bashar Assad has already used chemical weapons and that "these weapons are trickling to Hezbollah."

His statement on chemical weapons reaching Hezbollah did not represent an official assessment. Defence officials said that while Israeli officials are deeply concerned about such weapons reaching Hezbollah, they have not seen evidence that this has occurred.

Israel has repeatedly expressed concern that Syria's chemical arsenal could fall into the hands of anti-Israel militants like Hezbollah, an Assad ally, or an al-Qaida-linked group fighting with the rebels. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has warned that militants' acquisition of chemical arms or other sophisticated weapons could trigger military action.

Israel is widely believed to have carried out an air strike in Syria early this year on a shipment of sophisticated anti-aircraft missiles.


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If Canada takes any action I expect it would be as a partner in a UN mandate. But if Libya is any lesson Obama can be expected to be very concerned over the slippery slope from "no fly zone" to ground attacks to boots on the ground. I regard Obama's present careful pragmatic approach as appropriate at this time.
 
Here, reproduced under the Fair Dealing provisions of the Copyright Act from the Globe and Mail is a useful contribution to considering what Canada is likely, or unlikely, to do and why:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/globe-politics-insider/meet-the-syrian-muslim-brotherhoods-pitch-man-in-ottawa/article11631607/#dashboard/follows/
Meet the Syrian Muslim Brotherhood’s pitch man in Ottawa

Campbell Clark
Ottawa — The Globe and Mail

Published Tuesday, Apr. 30 2013

Here’s Molham Aldrobi’s difficult task: to convince the Canadian government that the Muslim Brotherhood are moderates in Syria, that extremists don’t dominate the opposition, and that Ottawa should open its purse-strings wider for medical and other aid to rebel-held areas.

Mr. Aldrobi, a representative of the Syrian opposition who lives in Toronto, is pitching something that’s been a hard sell for a long time now. The Harper government has come to view the Syrian opposition as a Pandora’s Box of sectarian squabblers and jihadists. Among western nations, Canada has stood out by refusing to recognize the National Coalition as the voice of the people.

The question now is whether Ottawa will start to feel that it’s time to do more to help a flawed Syrian opposition, to help prevent things from turning worse, and bolster moderates.

Reports that the Assad regime has used chemical weapons have increased pressure on the U.S. to intervene, but the Obama Administration is investigating, not rushing. A spokesman for Foreign Affairs Minister John Baird said Canada is talking to allies about what would be a “heinous crime” – western nations fear military intervention might only increase chaos without a simple end.

Still, the U.S. is upping “non-lethal” aid, and urging others to do the same.

Mr. Aldrobi and Hassan Hashimi, representatives of the Syrian Nation Council – an umbrella group within the bigger umbrella Coalition – are in Ottawa trying to explain away some of the Canadian government’s concerns. They’re delivering a wish list – medical and other aid for opposition areas, expedited immigration for relatives of Canadians, and opposition recognition – that frankly isn’t much different from what Syrian-Canadians have sought for over a year. Mr. Baird will meet with an aid organization, Heart of Syria, on Wednesday.

But Ottawa’s worries have steered its reaction. There’s been aid – $48.5-million sent through UN agencies for food and help for refugees from the civil war, and $25-million for the Jordanian government to deal with refugees. But what the Syrian opposition really wants, if it can’t get guns, is more aid for “liberated” areas under its control. They feel Ottawa has done little.

“If you want to help, there are plenty of ways. This is what we are trying to tell them. The Syrian opposition are not extremists, they’re not terrorists. They’re freedom fighters,” Mr. Aldrobi said.

He says they’ll meet with federal officials to clarify “misunderstandings.” He knows the Harper government has emphasized concerns about jihadists like al-Nusra Front fighting alongside the Free Syrian Army and other opposition militias, but insists it’s an exaggeration. It’s too much to expect completely unified opposition, he says, but Ottawa should accept an “80-20 rule” – 80 per cent generally united moderates, with 20 per cent of groups they can’t control.

In Syria, though, the make-up of moderates makes the Harper government uneasy. It feels it’s too Sunni-dominated. The influence of the Muslim Brotherhood raises qualms, too. It’s fractious, and there are doubts exiled political leaders represent the patchwork of militia and councils in Syria. Mr. Aldrobi, a member of the executive of the Syrian Muslim Brotherhood, argues there’s no reason to fear it: it won’t dominate post-Assad Syria, dislikes Iran’s influence and Hezbollah, and it’s seeking a pluralistic state in Syria, he said. Mr. Aldrobi is diplomatic: he says he wants a “partnership” with Canada.

But there’s general frustration. Faisal Alazem was part of a delegation that met Mr. Baird about a year ago asking for similar things.

He argues the west, including Canada, should have jumped in two years ago. Jihadists moved into a vacuum, and desperate Syrians accepted it, he said, but there’s still time to strengthen the moderates. Western nations like Canada can at least provide aid to rebel-held areas, and that means funding groups working there, not just UN agencies, he said. But he sounds pessimistic.

“There is a general sense that Canada does not really want to be involved,” he said.

Campbell Clark covers foreign affairs in the Ottawa bureau.


Faisal Alazem is right: Canada, offical Canada and, I suspect the people, at large, "does not really want to be involved,” because we recognize that the Middle East is a strategic cesspool and almost anything we do is, most likely, going to be wrong. Left to their own devices and when given the chance to choose, the North Africans and Arabs and Persians and West Asians all seem inclined to make a similar choice: hard line political Islam. Why on earth would we want to help them? Let the Saudis and Iranians send them money and weapons and then they can all kill one another. We can come in later, bury the dead and pump the oil - or maybe the Chinese will do that.

 
US News outlets are announcing that Israel has hit at least one military targets inside Syria. Unnamed US officials indicate that it was possibly weapons headed to Hezbollah in Lebanon.
 
cupper said:
US News outlets are announcing that Israel has hit at least one military targets inside Syria. Unnamed US officials indicate that it was possibly weapons headed to Hezbollah in Lebanon.

From CNN:

(CNN) -- The United States believes Israel has conducted an airstrike into Syria, two U.S. officials tell CNN.
U.S. and Western intelligence agencies are reviewing classified data showing Israel most likely conducted a strike in the Thursday-Friday time frame, according to both officials. This is the same time frame that the U.S. collected additional data showing Israel was flying a high number of warplanes over Lebanon.

One official said the United States had limited information so far and could not yet confirm those are the specific warplanes that conducted a strike. Based on initial indications, the U.S. does not believe Israeli warplanes entered Syrian airspace to conduct the strikes.

Both officials said there is no reason to believe Israel struck at a chemical weapons storage facilities. The Israelis have long said they would strike at any targets that prove to be the transfer of any kinds of weapons to Hezbollah or other terrorist groups, as well as at any effort to smuggle Syrian weapons into Lebanon that could threaten Israel.

The Lebanese army website listed 16 flights by Israeli warplanes penetrating Lebanon's airspace from Thursday evening through Friday afternoon local time.


The Israeli military had no comment. But a source in the Israeli defense establishment told CNN's Sara Sidner, "We will do whatever is necessary to stop the transfer of weapons from Syria to terrorist organizations. We have done it in the past and we will do it if necessary the future."
 
From the National Post, more on the Israeli airstrike. As the Syrian regime loses control over more of its territory and institutions, you may epect more actions like this to prevent or reduce the transfer of weapons from Syria to terrorist groups. This has a secondary effect of further reducing Iranian influence in the region, as Iranian allies Syria and Hezbollah are shorn of the ability to effetively strike Israel (or project power anywhere, for that matter). Large infographic on page as well:

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/05/05/israel-escalates-involvement-in-syria-conflict-with-airstrikes-on-hezbollah-bound-missiles/

Israel escalates involvement in Syria conflict with airstrikes on Hezbollah-bound missiles

Bassem Mroue And Ian Deitch, Associated Press | 13/05/05 | Last Updated: 13/05/05 2:40 PM ET
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BEIRUT — Israeli warplanes struck areas in and around the Syrian capital Sunday, setting off a series of explosions as they targeted a shipment of highly accurate, Iranian-made guided missiles believed to be on their way to Lebanon’s Hezbollah militant group, officials and activists said.

The attack, the second in three days, signalled a sharp escalation of Israel’s involvement in Syria’s bloody civil war. Syrian state media reported that Israeli missiles struck a military and scientific research centre near Damascus and caused casualties.

An intelligence official in the Middle East, who spoke on condition of anonymity in order to disclose information about a secret military operation to the media, confirmed that Israel launched an airstrike in the Syrian capital early Sunday but did not give more precise details about the location. The target was Fateh-110 missiles, which have precision guidance systems with better aim than anything Hezbollah is known to have in its arsenal, the official told The Associated Press.

The airstrikes come as Washington considers how to respond to indications that the Syrian regime may have used chemical weapons in its civil war. President Barack Obama has described the use of such weapons as a “red line,” and the administration is weighing its options — including possible military action.

Iran, a close ally of the Assad regime, condemned the airstrikes but gave no other hints of a possible stronger response from Tehran.

Israel has said it wants to stay out of the Syrian war, but Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has repeatedly stated the Jewish state would be prepared to take military action to prevent sophisticated weapons from flowing from Syria to Hezbollah or other extremist groups.

Israel and Hezbollah fought a monthlong war in mid-2006 that ended in a stalemate.

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Syria’s state news agency SANA reported that explosions went off at the Jamraya military and scientific research centre near Damascus and said “initial reports point to these explosions being a result of Israeli missiles.” SANA said there were casualties but did not give a number.

Damascus-based activist Maath al-Shami said the strikes occurred around 3 a.m. “Damascus shook. The explosion was very, very strong,” said al-Shami adding that one of the attacks occurred near the capital’s Qasioun mountain that overlooks Damascus.

He said the raid near Qasioun targeted a military position for the elite Republican Guards that is in charge of protecting Damascus, President Bashar Assad’s seat of power.

Mohammed Saeed, another activist who lives in the Damascus suburb of Douma, said “the explosions were so strong that earth shook under us.” He said the smell of the fire caused by the air raid near Qasioun could be felt miles away.

There has been no official statement from the Syrian military.

The strikes put the Assad regime in a tricky position. If it fails to respond, it looks weak and leaves itself open to such airstrikes becoming a common occurrence. But if it retaliates militarily against Israel, it risks dragging the Jewish state and its powerful military into a broader conflict.

After the airstrikes overnight, Israel’s military on Saturday deployed two batteries of its Iron Dome rocket defence system to the country’s north. It described the move as part of “ongoing situational assessments.”

The Iron Dome protects against short-range rockets. Hezbollah fired thousands of rockets at Israel during the 2006 war, while Israeli warplanes destroyed large areas of south Lebanon.

Amos Yadlin, a former head of Israel’s military intelligence, said the strike is a signal to Syria’s ally, Tehran, that Israel is serious about the red lines it has set.

“Syria is a very important part in the front that Iran has built. Iran is testing Israel and the U.S. determination in the facing of red lines and what it sees is in clarifies to it that at least some of the players, when they define red lines and they are crossed, take it seriously,” he told Army Radio.

In Tehran, Iran’s Foreign Ministry spokesman Ramin Mehmanparast condemned an Israeli airstrike against Syria and urged countries in the region to remain united against Israel, according to the semiofficial Fars news agency. The brief statement gave no details.

The Fateh-110, or Conqueror, is a short-range ballistic missile developed by Iran and first put into service in 2002. The Islamic Republic unveiled an upgraded version in 2012 that improved the weapon’s accuracy and increased its range to 300 kilometres (185 miles).

Iranian Defence Minister Gen. Ahmad Vahidi said at the time that the solid-fueled missile could strike with pin-point precision, making it the most accurate weapon of its kind in Iran’s arsenal.

An airstrike in January also targeted weapons apparently bound for Hezbollah, Israeli and U.S. officials have said. The White House had no immediate comment on Sunday’s reported missile strikes.

The Britain-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, an activist group, also reported large explosions in the area of Jamraya, a military and scientific research facility northwest of Damascus, about 15 kilometres (10 miles) from the Lebanese border.

Hezbollah’s al-Manar TV said the research centre in Jamraya was not hit. It added that an army supply centre was targeted by the strike. It quoted unnamed Syrian security officials as saying that three sites including military barracks, arms depots and air defencecentre were targeted by the strike.

The station aired footage of what it said was a facility in Jamraya that was hit in the airstrike. It showed a heavily damaged building as well as what appeared to be a chicken farm with some chickens pecking around in debris scattered with dead birds.

The raid appeared to have taken place next to a major road that was filled with debris, and shell casings were strewn on the ground. A blue street sign on the side of the road referred to the direction of the Lebanon border and the Syrian town of Zabadani near the frontier.

Lebanon’s Al-Mayadeen TV, that has several reporters around Syria, said one of the strikes targeted a military position in the village of Saboura, west of Damascus and about 10 kilometres (six miles) from the Lebanon border.

An amateur video said to be shot early Sunday in the Damascus area showed fire lighting up the night sky. The video appeared genuine and corresponded to other AP reporting.

Uzi Rubin, a missile expert and former Defence Ministry official, told the AP that if the target were Fateh-110 missiles as reported then it is a game changer as they put almost all Israel in range and can accurately hit targets.

Rubin emphasized that he was speaking as a rocket expert and had no details on reported strikes.

“If fired from southern Lebanon they can reach Tel Aviv and even (the southern city of) Beersheba.” He said the rockets are much five times more accurate than the scud missiles that Hezbollah has fired in the past. “It is a game changer because they are a threat to Israel’s infrastructure and military installations,” he said.

Israel’s first airstrike in Syria, in January, also struck Jamraya.

At the time, a U.S. official said Israel targeted trucks next to the research centre that carried SA-17 anti-aircraft missiles. The strikes hit both the trucks and the research facility, the official said. The Syrian military didn’t confirm a hit on a weapons shipment at the time, saying only that Israeli warplanes bombed the research centre.

Israeli lawmaker Shaul Mofaz, a former defence minister and a former chief of staff, declined to confirm the airstrike but said Israel is concerned about weapons falling into the hands of the Islamic militant group amid the chaos of Syria’s civil war.

“We must remember that the Syrian system is falling apart and Iran and Hezbollah are involved up to their necks in Syria helping Bashar Assad,” he told Israel Radio. “There are dangers of weapons trickling to the Hezbollah and chemical weapons trickling to irresponsible groups like al-Qaida.”
 
A repost from the Washington DC-based Centre for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS-not to be confused with the Canadian intelligence agency with the same acronym):

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Syria's Uncertain Air Defense Capabilities

By Anthony H. Cordesman

May 6, 2013

Over the weekend of May 3-5, Israel carried out airstrikes against targets in Syria, specifically against a shipment of missiles believed to be headed towards Lebanon. This is the third set of Israeli strikes that has hit Syrian targets without reports of effective Syrian resistance or Israeli losses since the start of 2013. It also follows on the successful Israeli air strikes that destroyed a nuclear reactor under construction in the Deir ez-Zor region on Syria on September  6, 2007.

Israel’s success does indicate that the purely military risks in enforcing some form of no fly or no move zone are now more limited that when the fighting in Syria began. At the same time, this does not mean that Syria could not put up a defense or that the US could simply rely on a few strikes or threats to either destroy Syria’s air defense or intimidate it into complying with US demands.

The practical problem is that we do not know how many stand-off weapons were used, how far the Israeli Air Force (IAF) aircraft had to penetrate, or the real-world readiness of Syrian air defenses.

We do not know if Syria has seriously tried to halt IAF attacks. Syria has not been able to use these systems effectively against Israel since the early 1980s. Syria may be willing to wait out limited IAF strikes rather than reveal the electronic order of battle and send signals that would help Israel develop improved methods of suppression during a limited attack.

We know most of the Syrian longer-range surface-based air defenses are still largely active and provide overlapping coverage of much of the country. But they also have aging surface-to-air missiles (SAM) that have been only partially upgraded and are vulnerable to jamming and other electronic countermeasures, as well as antiradiation missiles.

There are no reliable estimates of what is left or active. Before the civil war intensified, the IISS and Jane's estimated that they included 25 AD brigades with some150 SAM batteries. These include a mix of aging low altitude defense systems, largely developed in the 1970s or earlier, using S-125 Pechora (SA-3 Goa), 2K12 mobile, short-range Kub (SA-6 Gainful), obsolete medium to high altitude defenses with S-75 Divna (SA-2 Guideline), and 2 AD regiments with 2 battalions each, which each had 2 batteries with S-200 Angara (SA-5 Gammon).

We also know that Syria has sought far more modern Russian systems like the S-300 and S-400 for more than two decades and every attempt has failed—largely because of Syrian financing problems and Russian sensitivity to Israeli views. It is also clear that Syria has had to relocate substantial parts of these forces to avoid rebel forces taking them. Syria had also over-concentrated them around its cities and near Israel before the civil war, leaving vulnerable "corridors" in the north and the west, while IAF aircraft could also fire from Lebanese air space.

Syria has more modern short ranges and manportable surface-based air defenses. The IISS-Jane's estimates indicate they include the following mobile systems: 14 9K33 Osa (SA-8 Gecko), 20 9K31 Strela-1 (SA-9 Gaskin), 20 9K37 Buk (SA-11 Gadfly), 30 9K35 Strela-10 (SA-13 Gopher), 96K6 Pantsir-S1 (SA-22 Greyhound), and the 9K317 Buk-M2 (SA-17 Grizzly). The manportable systems include 9K32 Strela-2 (SA-7 Grail), 9K38 Igla (SA- 18 Grouse), 9K36 Strela-3 (SA-14 Gremlin), and the 9 K 338 Igla-SS (SA-24 Grinch).

The newest of these systems could be effective if their location was unknown but IAF aircraft had standoff weapons that allow them to strike outside the range of such systems and advanced countermeasures that will seriously degrade most of these systems. The Assad regime may also be scared of distributing them because of the risk that they would fall into rebel hands.

The Syrian air force had some 365-385 combat aircraft when the fighting started. It is not clear how many are now active but a rough estimate is probably about 50 percent with very low sustainability against an active air attack, limited pilot training, and low daily sorties generation rates. It had no modern air defense fighters and operational readiness standards have almost certainly degraded. Syrian holdings of air defense fighters included 85 aircraft with aging avionics and which are very vulnerable to both IAF and U.S. fighters, air-to-air missiles, and air combat systems like the AWACs. These include: 50 obsolescent MiG-23MF/ML/UM Flogger, 35 export versions of the MiG-29A/U Fulcrum with limited computer and radar capabilities for look-shoot down and long range BVR combat. According to the IISS, a large number of these systems were not operational before the civil war: 30 MiG-25 Foxbats and 2 MiG-25U Foxbats.

The rest of the Syrian air force was attack-oriented in spite of the fact that it had little chance of surviving Israel's air defenses. Again, the IISS and Jane's estimate it included some 105 obsolete MiG-21MF/bis Fishbed, 15 obsolete MiG-21U MongolA, 50 obsolescent MiG-23BN/UB Floggers, 50 limited-capability Su-22 Fitter D, and 20export versions of the Su-24 Fencer with limited computer and avionics capabilities. It is possible that the Syrian air force has rules of engagement that preclude the use of fighter aircraft for anything other than all-out war given the massive losses they suffered fighting the IAF in 1982.

This makes the Syrian forces vulnerable to U.S. military action to enforce some form of no fly/no move zone, but Syria still has a much larger and more capable mix of forces than Libya possessed. It would take a massive U.S. air and cruise missile attack to suppress it quickly and would be difficult for even two carrier groups to carry out and sustain. As a result, the United States would certainly desire land-bases from allies like Jordan and Turkey and the use of Qatari and/or Saudi bases.

Syria could also choose to ride out a U.S. threat and then constantly push the U.S. by appearing to prepare its forces, locking on radars, etc. These are tactics that would stress any U.S. forces enforcing a zone. Syria also knows all about them from U.S. operations in Iraq and the former Yugoslavia. In short, Syria does not haves not strong air defenses by U.S. standards but it is still very large. It would take a major U.S. air effort to accomplish quickly and the United States might well take some losses if Syria fought back and would have to have a sustained presence if Syria chose not fight.

There is also the question of how broad a U.S. no-fly zone would really be. If the United States included civilian protection areas, it would have to be prepared to use airpower to stop pro-Assad ground forces as well. If it was a true “no fly” zone, it would have to deal with Syrian helicopters as well, and they have been key threats. (IISS pre-civil war estimates were 33 Mi-25 Hind D attack helicopters, Mi-17 Hip H and 30 SA342L Gazelle multi-role armed helicopters, and 40 Mi-8 Hip transport helicopters, and some 60 percent are probably still operational).

Moreover, "no fly" would presumably mean no Syrian missiles and rockets and Syria still has a significant inventory of such systems.  In short, even though the events of the past weekend may suggest air power’s efficacy in responding to the civil war, it will be no easy task to expand this into a wider campaign.

Anthony H. Cordesman holds the Arleigh A. Burke Chair in Strategy at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington, D.C.

Commentary is produced by the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), a private, tax-exempt institution focusing on international public policy issues. Its research is nonpartisan and nonproprietary. CSIS does not take specific policy positions. Accordingly, all views, positions, and conclusions expressed in this publication should be understood to be solely those of the author(s).
 
Love the response to a Conspiracy theorist caller to CSPAN show about Neocons beating the war drums to defend Israel.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/05/07/eli-lake-shuts-down-anti-israel-conspiracy-theorist.html
 
Perhaps most of the MSM were wrong with their predictions that Assad was on his last legs?

CBC link

Brian Stewart: Is Syria's Assad turning the tide of battle?

Western intelligence revising its Syrian war predictions

A surprisingly effective counteroffensive by the Syrian government in recent weeks is reminding rebels, foreign intelligence services and the media alike that the fortunes of war are wildly unpredictable.

For most of Syria's 28-month-long civil war, it has been widely assumed, at least in the West, that dictator Bashar al-Assad was a walking dead man when it came to hanging on to power.

Optimists were highly vocal in insisting the end wouldn't be long in coming. Surely, they felt, not even resuscitation efforts by Syria's lone allies (and arms suppliers), Russia and Iran, could save the thuggish family-run regime from ignominious collapse.

Well that's not how it's turning out. Right now it's the disunited and fractious rebel alliance that appears to be increasingly on the defensive while Assad's far better armed and notoriously ruthless elite forces are gaining ground.


"Strategically, the regime has the advantage — taking the initiative, using new tactics, opening up counteroffensives or new fronts over the last two-to-four months," says Yezid Sayigh, senior analyst with the Carnegie Middle East Centre in Beirut.

He is just one of several Syria watchers now who are seeing dramatic shifts on the ground.

Some are even scrambling to update the odds in Assad's favour, at least for the coming months.

Revised intel

Among the red faces at the moment are the Syrian analysts in the German Federal Intelligence Service (BND). Just last year they were telling politicians that Assad would likely fall in early 2013.

Now, intelligence chief Gerhard Schindler, according to Der Spiegel magazine, is warning his bosses that Assad's new offensives might, by year end, retake the critical south, which would be a huge loss to the rebels.

Even the most hardline U.S. politicians, like Senator John McCain, who have been demanding a U.S.-imposed no-fly zone over Syria, now see the once doomed dictator actually tightening his grip on power.

Just back from a surprise trip into Syria to meet rebel leaders, McCain warned that the insurgents are being heavily battered. "We are seeing, unfortunately, a battlefield situation where Bashar Assad now has the upper hand, and it's tragic, while we sit by and watch."

Of course one reason why President Barack Obama and other Western leaders are staying well on the sidelines in this conflict may be precisely due to the intelligence reports warning that Assad is a far harder nut to crack than previously thought.

That and the fact that the rebels are no closer to forming a winning, united or even trustworthy insurgency.

This is not to say, let's be clear, that a resurgent Assad is now bound to win in the long run. Rather, it is that a tyrant wounded, but not destroyed, is a profoundly dangerous foe.

What this likely means is that we are now likely to witness a different type of war, perhaps even bloodier, as the embattled regime seeks to win back the 50 per cent or so of the country that it lost or abandoned to the rebels in the early stages.

In other words, a war that may drag on for years.


So what happened? What accounts for Assad's survivability, apart from sheer brutality, in the face of so many eager predictions of his doom?

Some of these factors have been well examined, including the fact that the Assad family has been able to count on the support of its own Alawite sect, as well as a Christian community of about 2.6 million and, indeed, moderates from other religious groups who fear fundamentalist Salafists and even al-Qaeda elements among the rebels.

The large urban merchant class and civil servants no doubt also feel they have a stake in regime survival.

In short, Assad has deep, even if minority, wellsprings of support at home to go with an increasingly steady flow of help from three critical friends: Russia, Iran and, more recently, Hezbollah, the Shia Islamic movement (military and political) based in Lebanon.

Assad's order of battle

Still, important as these pillars are, they could not alone have saved Assad had he not been able to count on perhaps the most vital if often overlooked source of power at his disposal — the unexpected cohesion of Syria's military, especially its army.

Despite a large number of defections, the Syrian military remains one of the largest and best trained forces in the Arab world, at around 290,000 strong.

Early in the war, it was believed the army would disintegrate as most of its conscripts were Sunni (who are the majority in Syria and the source of the rebel opposition) while 80 per cent of the officer corps were minority Alawites, a Shia offshoot.

But according to a recent in-depth study by the Washington-based Institute for the Study of War, the Syrian army is still a "disciplined and motivated force."

What's more, when you look at the Syrian order of battle, it seems that Assad has not tried to test the loyalty of most of the army units, and has instead left all the toughest fighting to what amounts to a Praetorian guard of trusted elite units, the 4th Armoured Division, Republican Guards, and special forces.

The Syrian army responded poorly at the start of the war, in part because its doctrines dated back to earlier, Soviet-style training, which had prepared it for a conventional land war against neighbouring Israel.

Since then, however, it has reshaped its security forces, given them more modern arms from Russia and Iran, and adopted a more flexible counterinsurgency style of warfare.

While the UN says there are reasonable grounds to suspect the regime has used limited chemical weapons, its conventional arsenal is terrifying enough.

Rebels complain that government's precision weapons and artillery are more accurate, while armed helicopters, SU-22 strike aircraft and, since December, even Scud missiles have been pounding rebel positions even in civilian areas.

The key problem for the rebels is their lack of secure logistics and their own flimsy command structure, which is distrusted in the West.

In a long war of attrition like this, the side best supplied has a vast advantage. Assad's military has the benefit of military supplies from Moscow and Tehran, and has held critical supply routes open against rebel attack.

Now, as French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius warned recently, the arrival of up to 4,000 Hezbollah fighters in Syria to fight for Assad, many of them veterans of fierce battles with Israeli forces in 2006, gives him a new edge as he turns his attention to reducing rebel territory.


Lest anyone doubt the relevance of this warning, Fabius added "When you have fighters that are really well-armed, that are prepared to die and they are several thousand, that makes a difference."

I'd say that's one prediction, at least, that you can probably bank on.
 
It certainly doesn't hurt Assad that the rebels are busy killing each other, or declaring war on the Kurds whenever they are free. Assad is not General Franco, but it helps when you share opponents similar in that one particular respect. One has to wonder how much popular opinion remains on the side of the fractious rebels... Assad is not doing as well as the media is reporting (especially above), but the question of morale is not grounded on facts, but popularity. Qusair is a galvanizing victory or a demoralizing defeat, depending upon which side you fall. People follow power.

The rebels certainly could have won, or at least overthrown Assad, I believe. I believe that they've thrown those opportunities away. I feel satisfied that it is probably for the best that they did.
 
That article explaining about the Hezbollah fighters is troubling. They are ready to fight now, after the short war with Israel in 2006. The Syrian rebels will lose this civil war unless there is a major military intervention... however nations that would intervene, such as the US, will be careful not to upset the Russians, as they are allied with Assad's regime.
The rebels are not ready to run a government. Sure, many, many people have perished under Assad, however imagine the thousands more that could easily die with an unstable "rebel" government. Terrorist groups and such would flood into Syria to get a foothold, since it would be easy also.  They'd have to set up a provisional one until they find a suitable leader.. I do not believe it could be done.
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Terrorists already have more than a foothold in Syria. In effect it is a beachhead. Al-Nusra alone is estimated to have what, 6000-10,000 fighters? More than enough for one Normandy beach...

Events bring curious, or hilarious change. A year ago it could easily be said that we should be supporting the rebels wholeheartedly. We could with conviction that their government is the only rightful government, and that their FSA is fighting for the ideals of the Syrian people. Only a year later and conditions have changed enough (I won't claim we've learned enough) that all of those statements are not merely wrong, but worse, ridiculous. Even more to the point - things have changed enough that if we are indeed still serious about this War on Terror business, Assad, consciously, or more likely, unconsciously, is our best friend.

But, who knows how things will be in another year?
 
Breaking news from CNN on TV: US says it will provide military assistance to Syrian rebels. Senator McCain is seen saying on TV that a no-fly zone should be established. Reporters such as CNN's Candy Crowley are saying the increased presence of Hezbollah was another factor that drove the White House to step up its assistance to those in the rebel/opposition that they trust.

CNN link

Washington (CNN) -- [Breaking news update, 5:25 p.m. ET]

The White House acknowledged Thursday the Syrian government has used chemical weapons, including the nerve agent sarin, on a small scale a number of times, according to a statement.

The administration also indicated it will increase the "scope and scale of assistance" to rebels in Syria following its acknowledgment that the Bashar al-Assad government has used chemical weapons in the civil war, according to the statement.

[Original story published at 5:12 p.m. ET]

Sources: U.S. to acknowledge Syria crossed 'red line' with use of chemical weapons

Congress has been notified that the United States will acknowledge that Syria used chemical weapons on a small scale multiple times and that a "red line" has been crossed, congressional sources told CNN on Thursday.

The intelligence community has concluded that sarin gas was used in the Syrian civil war, and that between 100 and 150 people died as a result, a senior intelligence official said.

Earlier this year, the United States said its intelligence analysts had concluded "with varying degrees of confidence" that chemical weapons had been used in the Syrian civil war. But President Barack Obama said "intelligence assessments alone are not sufficient."

CNN's Jessica Yellin contributed to this report.
 
Kernewek said:
Terrorists already have more than a foothold in Syria. In effect it is a beachhead. Al-Nusra alone is estimated to have what, 6000-10,000 fighters? More than enough for one Normandy beach...

Events bring curious, or hilarious change. A year ago it could easily be said that we should be supporting the rebels wholeheartedly. We could with conviction that their government is the only rightful government, and that their FSA is fighting for the ideals of the Syrian people. Only a year later and conditions have changed enough (I won't claim we've learned enough) that all of those statements are not merely wrong, but worse, ridiculous. Even more to the point - things have changed enough that if we are indeed still serious about this War on Terror business, Assad, consciously, or more likely, unconsciously, is our best friend.

But, who knows how things will be in another year?

Bashar is our best friend? Really? His regime had been funneling fighters to Iraq and Lebanon for many years now. Just because there are now more extreme elements in Syria , that Bashar ends up sounding like a good guy! Man who uses missiles against his own people in my opinion is unreliable (if unstable).

I would love to say: I told you so...2 years ago I've said this conflict if left unchecked would disintegrate into a worse situation. The typical response was it's not our problem! Seems like there is renewed interest now that new problems arise (sarcastically, who thought this would happen!!!) Hezboallah, Salafi Extremists, Chemical Weapons and close to 5 Million refugees.

I still believe Bashar regime is going to go. No matter how much muscle it may flex, other regional powers and the US no longer want him there and that means he is going to go. The question that had always remained, how much destruction and chaos has to consume the region before this happens.
 
Tiamo said:
Bashar is our best friend? Really? His regime had been funneling fighters to Iraq and Lebanon for many years now. Just because there are now more extreme elements in Syria , that Bashar ends up sounding like a good guy! Man who uses missiles against his own people in my opinion is unreliable (if unstable).

I would love to say: I told you so...2 years ago I've said this conflict if left unchecked would disintegrate into a worse situation. The typical response was it's not our problem! Seems like there is renewed interest now that new problems arise (sarcastically, who thought this would happen!!!) Hezboallah, Salafi Extremists, Chemical Weapons and close to 5 Million refugees.

I still believe Bashar regime is going to go. No matter how much muscle it may flex, other regional powers and the US no longer want him there and that means he is going to go. The question that had always remained, how much destruction and chaos has to consume the region before this happens.


Sadly I think the Status Quo needs to have a significant change.  As it stands I would not be surprised if the war continues on for months even a few years as it has down the same path.  My reasoning for this is you have power on both sides of the fence (USA and Russia) being the two biggest players and both sides have clearly drawn lines in the sand and neither will tread over that line without a good reason.

I'm betting Assad knows this.  It helps to drag his war on.  Likewise the chances of him using chemical weapons?  I think is extremely unlikely unless he is back real tight into a corner then maybe out of desperation for his own life he may use them.  Until then anything I hear in the media I want to see actual proof.  It's not in Assad's favour to use chemical weapons.  Ergo I see the stalemate on what to do with Syria continue.  Assad maybe a tyrant.  One thing I believe he is not judging by some interviews I seen of him is stupid.  He appeared to be very calculated and choose his words carefully when speaking.

As always just my opinion, take it lightly.  Time will tell.
 
http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/06/13/syria/

"Canadians join fight in Syria as civil war turns nation ‘into hub for terrorist activities’: report"

Found this interesting..
No, it is not the Canadian Armed Forces that have joined the fighting as the title may mislead..

 
I think its a mistake to get involved in Syria.The US sided with the islamists in Libya and Egypt and now we see a resurgent islam which is not a good thing.
 
:ditto:

I agree, the Arab Spring, and all the fallout therefrom is Arab business; they have to find their own way into the 21st 17th century and I fear the process will be messy and bloody. We are best to leave them to it.
 
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