The David Ahenakew Thread- Merged

[zipperhead_cop]

Funny thing is, the area where the barricade is set up was never part of the native land grab disputed area.  Where they are blocking the roadway's is clearly Provincial property, as a highway extends center from the roadway, all the way to the opposite property lines. 
Unless the natives want to say that any roads running through their reservations are purely native owned, and then can take over the cost of road maintenance themselves. 
On a counter note however, in talking to the OPP guys around here that have gone up for their voluntary one week "tour" they all have said that the white townsfolk are the ones who are hardest to keep peaceful and are the ones most often starting up the unrest.  However, I can certainly see why they are frustrated.  Uncle Dolton didn't buy them a multi million dollar resort.
Oh, and guess who the OPP are directed to go after when the pissing match starts?

 

[17thRecceSgt]

Funny thing is, the area where the barricade is set up was never part of the native land grab disputed area.  Where they are blocking the roadway's is clearly Provincial property, as a highway extends center from the roadway, all the way to the opposite property lines. 
Unless the natives want to say that any roads running through their reservations are purely native owned, and then can take over the cost of road maintenance themselves. 
On a counter note however, in talking to the OPP guys around here that have gone up for their voluntary one week "tour" they all have said that the white townsfolk are the ones who are hardest to keep peaceful and are the ones most often starting up the unrest.  However, I can certainly see why they are frustrated.  Uncle Dolton didn't buy them a multi million dollar resort.
Oh, and guess who the OPP are directed to go after when the pissing match starts?

I am betting its NOT the...Maple Leafs? 

;D

I for one cannot believe how long this is been ongoing...

How voluntary is this one-week "tour"?

 

[zipperhead_cop]

Fairly voluntary.  At first they had a hard time getting people, but now it has taken on a Cypress-like posture.  All the good food you can eat, heaps of overtime and for the most part sit around and stare at people (not intended as a flame for anyone who went to Cypress).  A few guys are going back for their second and third stint. 
If the Gov ever gets it's shyte sorted out and decides to shut down the insurrection, whoever is on duty at that point better be able to shift from police mode to army mode pretty quick.  Because you can bet the natives have their range cards all drawn up and dialed in.

 

[TCBF]

Cyprus.  C-Y-P-R-U-S.  "Cypress" is a tree....


;D

 

[zipperhead_cop]

My over-reliance on the spell checker has been outted.  Damn.  :-X :-[

 

[17thRecceSgt]

Cyprus.  C-Y-P-R-U-S.  "Cypress" is a tree....


;D

Jees, TCBF, you talk like someone who has been around for awhile... ;D

"the silent follower"

 

[TCBF]

" But Justice Marshall is saying that in his opinion, the negotiations lack legitimacy when they take place in an environment in the Rule of Law has been suspended. That government shouldn't sign any agreements under these conditions because such an agreement might be challenged."

- Interesting.  Now, in a prison, when a guard is taken hostage - an act in violation of the law - does the prison staff not have to 'negotiate' with the kidnappers/prisoner's committee rather than 'enforcing the rule of law' by capping the hostage takers and freeing the guard?

- A criminal shoots you on your lawn and occupies your house.  The police show up.  While you are bleeding to death, the criminal says that he will kill himself if they try and help you.  Well? Do they help you or continue to negotiate with the criminal?

Never underestimate the power careerism has over justice.

(If you think my examples are hypothetical, so is ROE training.  ).

 

[zipperhead_cop]

Sadly, even with your examples that have clear-as-day answers, there are some who would start with the "well, it depends if..." or "You would have to consider..." just for the sake of never committing to anything. 

Never underestimate the power careerism has over justice.

You might as well go after your career, since justice doesn't exist. 

 

[rmacqueen]

You might as well go after your career, since justice doesn't exist. 

Sadly, this is a situation of our governments making by publicly second guessing the actions of the OPP at Ipperwash.  The scary part is the police are more and more starting to appear as being run by the government rather than being an independent force and, although I can't see this happening here, this is how police states start.  It is a slippery slope to start down when rule of law becomes secondary to the will of a government

 

[TCBF]

Done through budgeting: Harass sixty years old duck hunters with a billion dollar gun grab program - funding approved.  Investigate where the hundreds of millions of dollars went that was spent on the software contracts for the gun grab program - funding not approved.

 

[zipperhead_cop]

Done through budgeting: Harass sixty years old duck hunters with a billion dollar gun grab program - funding approved.  Investigate where the hundreds of millions of dollars went that was spent on the software contracts for the gun grab program - funding not approved.

But the registry will reduce gun crime!  Didn't you hear? 










:dontpanic:  Hah!  I kid.  I'm such a kidder. 

 

[17thRecceSgt]

Wow.  I never thought this thread would survive this long when I started it!

 

[zipperhead_cop]

Wow.  I never thought this thread would survive this long when I started it!

Native insurgents still suck, and Dolton and friends are still acting like discreditable twits.  And don't think that it won't get hot again either. 

 

[TCBF]

People will go home when it snows.  They will start thining out once the NHL picks up again.

I am SO cynical...

 

[rmacqueen]

And now the Ipperwash inquiry is finished (finally) and you can bet Harris will be blamed.  Funny, no mention of the guns that were there.

 

[TCBF]

But only the OPP had guns!

;D

 

[rmacqueen]

But only the OPP had guns!

:rofl:

 

[zipperhead_cop]

But only the OPP had guns!

;D

HAH!  Yeah, only the OPP.  God knows the number of times I have opened up on people for walking around with broom stick handles.  Lethal devices, those corn brooms.  :

 

[17thRecceSgt]

Come on Zip, you know that only peaceful "protestors" were present there... ;D

 

[zipperhead_cop]

Come on Zip, you know that only peaceful "protestors" were present there... ;D

Oh, absolutely.  Just like the peaceful protesters at Oka, and the peaceful ones in Caladonia right now.  I'd be peaceful too if I got money thrown at me whenever I bitched about something that happened to my family 300 years ago.