The David Ahenakew Thread- Merged

[Wayne Coady]

Well Mr Allen: He may have gotten what some feel he deserved , but punishment for other greater acts against humanity here in Canada go on noticed, especially when they are  done by a political party . Why is that ? Why is it that the "governing parties" between the 50 up to the present date  are still spraying chemical that kill ? Why did the Liberal Party and the Conservative Party use the government to spray agent orange and purple on soldiers and civilians  right here in Canada. Knowing that these  chemicals were dangerous to life?

I think all citizens who were involved should sue these parties for criminal negligence, why must it alway be the "government" who pays for the criminal act of these dirty political parties?

 

[Infanteer]

:boring:

You have only one forward gear, don't you - go talk about the Tacvest for a few days or something....

 

[1feral1]

Well Mr Allen: He may have gotten what some feel he deserved , but punishment for other greater acts against humanity here in Canada go on noticed, especially when they are   done by a political party . Why is that ? Why is it that the "governing parties" between the 50 up to the present date   are still spraying chemical that kill ? Why did the Liberal Party and the Conservative Party use the government to spray agent orange and purple on soldiers and civilians   right here in Canada. Knowing that these   chemicals were dangerous to life?

I think all citizens who were involved should sue these parties for criminal negligence, why must it alway be the "government" who pays for the criminal act of these dirty political parties?

Fliping flamingos! (more Aussie slang)

A $1000 dollar fine is not much of a penalty for blantent disgusting behaviour in regards to the holocaust. So you go on wining and dripping, moaning and groaning about it all ya want MR COADY.

WTF does agent orange have to do with an arrogant idiot who spewed   pure racial hatred out his mouth. I am not going to give ya a history lesson (your profile says only exRCD and no age, so who knows how old ya are), but try reading up on what the Germans did in those death camps to the elderly, women and children (about 6,000,000). Try telling your opinion to some survivors of this. Wouldnt they put you in your place!

Your comments about Blair and Bush considering the recent murderous attacks in London on the 7th, I find in very bad taste, and shows how much repsect you have for the victims and their families (they have not even been able to claim their dead and allowed to mourn BTW).

Seems some often forget what happened to our friends south of the border on 11 Sep 01, and on Kuta Beach on 12 Oct 02, Madrid last year, and loose the big picture, they want to carry the political banner (bleeting out about 'innocent' deaths and anti-war dribble) and NOT a rifle to end another war at the pointy end. Don't take your freedom of speech fro granted Wayne. It was paid in blood by a generation of Canadian youth, not that long ago, and others right now want to take this freedom from you and install and shove their twisted way of life and religion down your throat, or worse kill you and replace you with one of their own.

 

[paracowboy]

You have only one forward gear, don't you - go talk about the Tacvest for a few days or something....

no no! Leave him here in Political. At least I expect and can ignore the rants here, but if he starts bringing them to other threads, I may get blind-sided.

 

[Wayne Coady]

Fliping flamingos! (more Aussie slang)
Don't take your freedom of speech fro granted Wayne. It was paid in blood by a generation of Canadian youth, not that long ago, and others right now want to take this freedom from you and install and shove their twisted way of life and religion down your throat, or worse kill you and replace you with one of their own.

Please, no one die to protect my freedom of speech here in Canada, we were never under attack, those who died  oversees, died protection the citizens of those countries, only to come home to a country that turned its back on many of them.

We never just sent white men to fight in the First or Sevond World war, we sent Blacks and Native, then look at how we treated them when they came home. Funny isn't it, we sent our Native and Black boys over there to protect someone elses rights, only to return to learn that they didn't have any here.

It is now 2005 and every day Canadians lose their rights,  you feel that I should not have the right to express my opinion, but you feel I should let you ram yours down my throat. As far as religion goes, well believe what you will, but here in Canada the Catholic Church let young children fall victim to some dirty old priest, not much difference between them and those other religions you put down. Please I HAD a Catholic back ground , so I know just how evil it can be.

As far as not liking what I post, ignor me like the cowboy.

 

[Rebel_RN]

Where do you get off trying to say that no-one died for your freedom of speech?, how can you possibly spout such utter nonsense and what's worse, believe what you are saying?. Step back for a moment and truly look at what you are saying, better yet give your head a shake and try to place those marbles.....Yes people have died for your freedoms that you enjoy today, and as Wes said it wasn't all that long ago, the freedom's that we all enjoy today came at a price, they didn't just fall out of the sky and land on our doorsteps. I'm not even going to touch the no white people comment......and as for the cathoilic comment what exaclty does that have to do with free speech?....

Rebel

 

[Roy Harding]

Please, no one die to protect my freedom of speech here in Canada, we were never under attack, those who died  oversees, died protection the citizens of those countries, only to come home to a country that turned its back on many of them.

We never just sent white men to fight in the First or Sevond World war, we sent Blacks and Native, then look at how we treated them when they came home. Funny isn't it, we sent our Native and Black boys over there to protect someone elses rights, only to return to learn that they didn't have any here.

It is now 2005 and every day Canadians lose their rights,  you feel that I should not have the right to express my opinion, but you feel I should let you ram yours down my throat. As far as religion goes, well believe what you will, but here in Canada the Catholic Church let young children fall victim to some dirty old priest, not much difference between them and those other religions you put down. Please I HAD a Catholic back ground , so I know just how evil it can be.

As far as not liking what I post, ignor me like the cowboy.

You'd better check your audience (not to mention your "facts").

For someone who has political aspirations (as an Independent), you're not showing the greatest competence at winning friends and influencing people.

As far as your advice about ignoring you, I think I'll take it.

 

[Wayne Coady]

Well my father died in Holland, protection and liberating the Dutch, he never died in Canada defending our country, that is fact. My uncle returned to Canada in 42, and up until his death never received a worthy pension for fighting in the Second World War.
Another relative was in the merchant marine navy, dead before he was recognized as a major contributor to the Second World War, which was fought in another far away land.

I as an injured worker here in Canada, have no rights and it was not a Germay or who ever that took them away, so do not talk to me about some one dieing in another county because they were protecting my right, get real please.
Most who came home from the Gulf war are dying from an illness they contracted because of chemicals or what ever used in that war and this Country couldn't give a dam. I was in the Royal Canadian Dragoons, went through Base Gagetown and in 66,67 and 68, they sprayed us with what they call the Rainbow Chemicals, Agent Orange, White and Purple, never asks us, never told us and here I am learning about it 40 years later. So those of us who were used as human guinea pigs for the American War in Vietnam, never had any rights then did we. Facts are facts my friend.....or would you like to bury the facts and shut me up too ?
So in order to run in politics one must bury the truth, is that what you are saying?

 

[Rebel_RN]

I don't think that anyone is saying that you must bury the truth to run in politics, just recognize it, something I fear that you have failled to do. You seem to be very dis-illusioned about your freedoms and how they were won.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

As far as your advice about ignoring you, I think I'll take it.

As are many others here. Sorry Wayne, but your incessant ranting has gotten very tiresome for many here and on other political threads. This is primarily a military forum, and we expect our members to participate throughout, not just pound their personal soapbox within the political thread. Can we make you post in other subjects? No we can't. Can we ignore you and quit responding to your constant raving. Yes we can. I won't ask you to change your ways, that's up to you, but don't expect much more tolerance from the members, you've about worn that down. My $00.02.

Audax et Celer

 

[Wayne Coady]

So what you are saying is it is not wise for me to speak out against our political system and that as a soldier in the Canadian Army, I should be pleased that I was used as a guniea pig and that our "government" had the right to do this?

That it is all right to slam someone who has expressed himself? You see I am tired of people saying we have bad "government", this is not so, we have corrupt political parties running  "government" and some people do not like to hear that, but would like for me to be supportive of their party thing and when I am not, they cannot deal with it.

I do not believe that my father die protecting my rights, I do believe the George Bushes grandfather in the second world war made a lot of money fueling the German army as is Dick Chaney making big money in Iraq, while young American kids die.

 

[Edward Campbell]

So what you are saying is it is not wise for me to speak out against our political system ...

You did; over and over again.  We have read what you have to say; some agree, some don't.  Now, over the past few days, you are just being overly repetitive â “ we all do that, to some extent, I guess, but not the same thing, day-in, day-out.  I think that the impact of your ideas is diminished by over-exposure.  People just tune you out, skip over everything you post, regardless of the merits of your position.

 

[Wayne Coady]

So then when a person post on here they can only say what they feel once and then they must cut and run, I saw know evidence of that in other form posts. Most people pick their topic and it seems even if they are repetitive, the topic is debated, my goodness I say one post on there with over 500 posts, would one consider that a repetitive post?

 

[Gramps]

Wayne Coady.....Maybe you think the Canadian and American troops did not die to protect your freedoms but to protect someone else's and thats fine. From what I understand and believe (I'm sure I am not alone here either) those who fought were essentially fighting for everyones rights, do you think that WWII would have stopped once the British Isles or Russia were taken? Would they not have been within striking distance of North America had Russia fallen? So, from what I believe they were fighting for a much larger objective than your own personal rights and freedoms. That being said, it really is not the issue here, the issue is a series of ignorant Anti-Semitic statements that were made in public not your vast experience in the CF, not the fact that you may have been exposed to some chemical agents and certainly not your own political agenda but thats just my opinion. Cheers.

 

[Wayne Coady]

WW11 would have stopped if the Americans would have cut off their (German)fuel supply, lets face it Germany was  getting the bulk of their fuel thanks to  Prescott Bush. America's economic base  was founded on the toys of war. George Bushes grand dad Prescott Bush,financed the Germays through Browns Bank, where he was well planted and where he benefited at the cost of his fallen fellow Americians who were what, protecting Old Grand Daddy Bushes rights.

We have a major Barite mine here in Walton Nova Scotia, which Bushes Grand Daddy owned and he used to help control the barite industry, which we all know now belongs to Dick Chaney's company Haliburton, no my friend the second world war could have been brought to a very quick end, but the Bush family were very busy making money off of it.

While old man Bush was financing Hitler and making sure he got his airplane fuel and tank fuel, his son young George was fighting from the air. This is not my story it has been recorded as part of American History. Please do not take me as an American basher, because I am not. In general the American citizen is a wonderful person.

 

[Gramps]

My point was, what does this have to do with the statements made by Ahenakew? How does it go from him to WWII, to George Bush, to Agent Orange in Gagetown?

 

[Roy Harding]

My point was, what does this have to do with the statements made by Ahenakew? How does it go from him to WWII, to George Bush, to Agent Orange in Gagetown?

Gramps;

Don't waste your time - he has a one track mind.  OK - two tracks - the Bush's have been in a conspiracy for at LEAST the past three generations, and all political parties are in a conspiracy to rob him of his rights.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

So what you are saying is it is not wise for me to speak out against our political system and that as a soldier in the Canadian Army, I should be pleased that I was used as a guniea pig and that our "government" had the right to do this?

That is not what I alluded to. Many people here have spoken out against "the system", but we don't try to pound that nail through the linoleum, past the sub floor and through the joist till it falls on the basement floor. If you want to rant on the same subject every day, 24 hrs a day, why don't you start your own blog? We're not here, as your sounding board, so you can take out your frustations about the government and it's dealings. I get the feeling you may be just trying to transfer your anger. Most people here are able to state their point and leave it go, you can't..........and it's getting very tiresome.

If you've got issues about the Agent Orange, there's a thread for that. However, I think you'd be better served at sites specific to that cause. Also VA and other gov't sites. At least they can help, if you have a verifiable claim. WE can't.

So then when a person post on here they can only say what they feel once and then they must cut and run, I saw know evidence of that in other form posts. Most people pick their topic and it seems even if they are repetitive, the topic is debated, my goodness I say one post on there with over 500 posts, would one consider that a repetitive post?

See my first paragraph. In short Wayne, you've worn us out. You've gone from excellent first posts with solid ideas and debate to the rantings of a bitter old man.

Like I said earlier, just my $00.02, but I know I'm not in the minority. Go have a cold one and give it a rest for awhile.

 

[Wayne Coady]

Ahenakew's remarks were called into question based on a law which is now considered a hate crime, and yet we in Canada talk about how self righteous  society we are. Well Mr. Ahenakew who is a native Canadian has felt the wrath of hate, and there are those who still say hateful thing about our native population, but where is there proof of action being taken against those people?
What we have here is a Hate Law that caters to a select group of people, while the rest of us "Canadians" have to take what ever "government" shoves at us.

A lost of a freedom is the same as a loss of a live, once it is gone, it is gone and the Ahenakew case is just one more example of a special interest group silencing citizens. It is my opinion that it is very wrong to shackle people in this way. The war is well over and it is time all have moved on,  but then again we have an awful mess in Israel today don't we, one would think that if history sets a president, then things would be much better there. So, who learned what from those who lost their life in that war, by the looks of the stste this world is in today, no one. It is still an eye for an eye and one day we will all wake up blind, then what, who wins?

 

[Teddy Ruxpin]

Gramps;

Don't waste your time - he has a one track mind.   OK - two tracks - the Bush's have been in a conspiracy for at LEAST the past three generations, and all political parties are in a conspiracy to rob him of his rights.

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