The David Ahenakew Thread- Merged

[Wayne Coady]

See my first paragraph. In short Wayne, you've worn us out. You've gone from excellent first posts with solid ideas and debate to the rantings of a bitter old man.

Like I said earlier, just my $00.02, but I know I'm not in the minority. Go have a cold one and give it a rest for awhile.

So now I am a bitter old man, how interesting, I guess this is where you go when you are lost for a real debate, sounding more like a party loyalists. My points are no different than those who do not agree with me, they state their position and I state mine, so who is beating the dead drum, me or them ? I guess you have concluded me. Now that just how a political party rules, if they do not like what you are saying and it goes
against their belief, then you out or they  just name call or try to degrade the person.

Teddy Ruxpin: Do not feel slighted I guess I am taking your place.

 

[Roy Harding]

Teddy Ruxpin:

OUTSTANDING link!!

People here at work couldn't figure out why I was laughing out loud!! (I'm usually referred to as a Grumpy Old Man)!!

Thanks for lightening my day.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

So now I am a bitter old man, how interesting, I guess this is where you go when you are lost for a real debate, sounding more like a party loyalists. My points are no different than those who do not agree with me, they state their position and I state mine, so who is beating the dead drum, me or them ? I guess you have concluded me. Now that just how a political party rules, if they do not like what you are saying and it goes
against their belief, then you out or they  just name call or try to degrade the person.

Teddy Ruxpin: Do not feel slighted I guess I am taking your place.

I'm sure TR isn't feeling slighted. Until you can keep your posts succinct and to the point without belabouring them and the world, you'll not be replacing him anytime soon.

:boring::boring:

Enough, let's try get this back on track, and stick to the original topic.

 

[Wayne Coady]

Nasty little guy aren't you. But then again, if your willing to just complain about something for the sake of complaining what else can one expect ?

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Pot... this is kettle... over.   Go to PM if you wish, but don't expect to belabour it there either.

 

[Wayne Coady]

Pot... this is kettle... over.

We should try to get back on track, I sure the poster didn't want the form to go in this direction, after all they did put much though into it. " There is no freedom of Speech in Canada Anymore was the question, so why isn't their freedom of speech?

 

[2 Cdo]

Wayne, earlier in another post you sent me a PM thanking me for supporting your argument about something. Fast forward to the present and you definitely sound like a broken record! Your posts come off as someone who has a lot of bitterness in him and who will not tolerate any dissenting posts towards him. I do agree with the idea of LESS government as I think people should be held more accountable for their actions and statements. But to think that a comment calling for a race of people to be exterminated is okay is complete and utter b*llshit!
If you are honestly thinking about running for any type of public office you might want to tone the rhetoric down a notch or two. Ranting(yes, ranting) about the present government is only going to get you labelled as an EXTREMIST whether you are or not. Well thought out positions without screaming conspiracy every two seconds will help you more in the long run.

 

[Gramps]

This post is directed at Mr. Wayne Coady.
Here are a few links that may or may not shed some light on hate crimes in Canada. I will submit to you that the vast majority of hate crimes and charges related to hate are primarily committed by white christian males. Just because this man in question is native and there is a tremendous amount of racism and hatred towards natives it does not give him the right to be one himself (a racist or Anti-Semite that is). Try to find the book "Web of Hate" by Warren Kinsella it is a study on hate groups in Canada and is one of the most informative and frightening books I have read. Some of the Stats. from the below links may be a little out of date but the vast majority of the information contained within them is still relavent.


http://www.adl.org/learn/Ext_US/zundel.asp?xpicked=2&item=zundel
http://www.statcan.ca/Daily/English/040601/d040601a.htm
http://www.media-awareness.ca/english/resources/research_documents/statistics/internet/hate_crimes_canada.cfm
http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/hatecrimes/

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

Well, heres a shock, 2CDO and I agree on something!!!!
I also thought his first few posts were well thought out however, now.......oh boy! :-X
Quote,
Well my father died in Holland, protection and liberating the Dutch, he never died in Canada defending our country, that is fact.

...and if he was the same kind of man my father was, he knew exactly what the stakes were and why he was going, and would be turning in his grave listening to you down play his [their] accomplishments so that we can enjoy our freedom today.....and that freedom includes protections against those who wish to cast their hate unto others to diminish their freedoms.

 

[Wayne Coady]

Well I guess you are entitled to your opinion, but according to my mother in some of my fathers letters to her, he was wondering what he  was doing there. He made it clear that he and many other joined mainly because of NO Employment here in Canada.

His thinking is being reflected in the voices of those young Americans who joined so they could get into College and now are ASKING THEMSELVES, WHY THEY EVER WENT TO IRAQ. They are starting to realize that they are not there to free the people, but to protect the oil fields.

There are those of us who understand how "government" works and for whom it works. I stand behind my belief and opinion that my father died protecting citizens in a far off land and that he did not die defending my rights or anyone's rights. Like I said , everyday a Canadian living in Canada loses a right and it is all because the "governing party " of the days chooses to do draft a law that makes it possible, one mans loss is another parties gain. 

 

[Gramps]

Who lost their rights here??  Nobody did. If one goes around spewing out hateful crap then they must be held accountable for it. There is no law that states he couldnt have said that he doesnt like a specific race or religion but, there are laws about stating that entire races should be wiped out.

 

[Rebel_RN]

Please MR. Wayne Coady get off of your soap box long enough to analyze logically what you are trying to defend. In what way is it OK for someone to announce that they feel an entire race should be wiped from the face of the earth?. The answer is simple it isn't!. If you are willing to deny to yourself what has actually been done to reprimand this individual versus what you feel is being done then that's fine by me...freedom of speech and all that...but for you to continually bring this to a corrupt government platform is not only tiring but monotonous as well and it has no bearing on the thread at hand.

 

[RCA]

Again you have missed the point. The Charter states:

1. The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees the rights and freedoms set out in it subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society.

If you think its reasonable to say the Jews area disease, then you have greater problems then the "Party" conspsiracy.

If you want to spew venom in private, thats your business, fine. Do it publicly, pay the consequences no matter if your black, white red, or orange. Its a simple as that. There is no hypocrisy here. It has nothing to do with politics or political parties. It has do do with common decency within this society. If the same thing was said against Natives, or Muslims, etc then the same will apply.

 

[1feral1]

OK enough is enough! Wayne the communist party is always wanting new members, secondly I find your posts are becoming troll mentality, and if you want to go on about how our minoritys fought our wars and whitey did nothing, go troll another site as your welcome here is coming to an end.

Pull your head in or PISS off, as you are beginning to be a SERIAL PEST on here.

About war casualties, 267104 PTE RF Allen, my Great Uncle, late of the 28th Bn CEF is buried near Passchendaele, and was one of the 60,000 CANADIANS left in both marked and unmarked graves in Europe from the Great War. Singling out distinct racial groups killed (and blaming the white population for who knows what) is just not on, and is a cop out, removing the general respect for ALL Canadian war dead.

Your profile is pretty much empty and I am really beginning to question your former CF service, and you are losing your credibility and respect on here real fast.  Every time you open your gob out comes political 'der commisar' bullshit. Either clean up your act or move on.

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

Mr Coady,
Suffice to say your aspirations to enter politics are probably a bad idea.
Even those here that agree with your politics wouldn't vote for you after the third day.......

 

[Roy Harding]

Mr Coady,
Suffice to say your aspirations to enter politics are probably a bad idea.
Even those here that agree with your politics wouldn't vote for you after the third day.......

Bruce:

I took a moment to Google "Wayne Coady".  Many, many, hits - I didn't bother reading any of them, but suffice to say, they were mostly rants of the type we have come to expect from Mr. Coady.

Interesting to note, according to the headlines (again - I did NOT go any deeper than the Google results page) Mr. Coady has already run as an Independent in 2003 - apparently he wasn't successful.

 

[muskrat89]

This thread has been struggling since the first post. I think it is time for me to exercise my "Freedom to Lock", thereby crushing everyone's "Freedom to Type" - well, in this thread at least....

If someone wants to open another thread on Freedom of Speech, have at er...

 

[17thRecceSgt]

You be the judge...thoughts anyone?

http://sympaticomsn.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20060608/david_ahenakew_060608

Ahenakew's hate crime conviction overturned
CTV.ca News Staff

David Ahenakew, former head of the Assembly of First Nations, had his hate crime conviction overturned Thursday by a Saskatchewan judge.

Chief Justice Robert Laing ruled that Ahenakew did not have the necessary intent needed for a conviction, and ordered a new trial.

Ahenakew was convicted of promoting hatred and fined $1,000, after he called Jews a "disease" during a conversation with a Saskatoon StarPhoenix reporter in December 2002.

Because of that conviction, former governor general Adrienne Clarkson revoked Ahenakew's Order of Canada membership, granted in 1978 for his work on native issues.

"We understand that revocation will stand regardless of (Friday's) decision," CTV's Jill Macyshon told Newsnet from Winnipeg.

Doug Christie, Ahenakew's lawyer, argued his client's comments were spontaneous and isolated, despite the fact he was speaking to a journalist.

He said that the section of the Criminal Code under which Ahenakew was convicted applies only to hate spoken "other than in private conversation," and that the taped one-on-one interview with the reporter meets that exception.

Ahenakew testified that he felt confronted and didn't see the tape recorder the reporter was using.

But the reporter, James Parker, had testified he held the tape recorder right in front of Ahenakew's face.

The Canadian Jewish Congress had argued that Christie's position threatened the integrity of Canada's hate laws.

"The anti-hate laws are extremely important for minority communities that are targeted and vulnerable, and Canada would not remain a multicultural democracy for very long if segments of its society could be attacked and vilified with impunity," executive vice-president Manuel Prutschi said in April.

"To be called a disease is obscene and of course when something is a disease you are supposed to cure the body ... from that disease."

Before Ahenakew spoke to the reporter, he delivered a speech at a Federation of Saskatchewan Indian Nations conference, in which he accused Jews of starting the Second World War.

"The Jews damn near owned all of Germany prior to the war. That's how Hitler came in. He was going to make damn sure that the Jews didn't take over Germany or Europe," Ahenakew said on the tape.

"That's why he fried six million of those guys, you know. Jews would have owned the God-damned world. And look what they're doing. They're killing people in Arab countries."

With files from The Canadian Press

 

[Edward Campbell]

Look, we all know what sort of person David Ahenakew is; his own words gave us all we needed to judge his views.

But, look on the bright side: he is now qualified for membership in CUPE.

Seriously: this is the right judicial decision.  I oppose hate crime laws; I agree that words can incite violence but we already have, I think, laws to punish that sort of thing.  I think revoking his membership in the Order of Canada was highly appropriate and I think keeping a media spotlight on his odious views is equally appropriate.  Ridicule and humiliation are stronger weapons than our hate crime laws.

 

[Infanteer]

Seriously: this is the right judicial decision.  I oppose hate crime laws; I agree that words can incite violence but we already have, I think, laws to punish that sort of thing.  I think revoking his membership in the Order of Canada was highly appropriate and I think keeping a media spotlight on his odious views is equally appropriate.  Ridicule and humiliation are stronger weapons than our hate crime laws.

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