The David Ahenakew Thread- Merged

[zipperhead_cop]

Would like to point out though, that not all Aboriginal communities act this way or govern themselves in such an irresponsible manner. 

I also agree.  My sister is OPP Orillia (patrol) and she has nothing bad to say about the Anishnebek (apologies for butchering spelling) reserve or the native policing there.  I would just like to see them have the ability to lose their privileges when they screw up like this.  Everyone else loses rights and freedoms when they break the law, why not natives?  Then, maybe the members of the community that don't want their lives screwed up might put a bit of pressure on their own to not be such jackholes. 
However, since they are not currently being subjected to ANY form of law enforcement or rules as we would recognize them, why wouldn't they go on a mad tear?

 

[17thRecceSgt]

And today...

http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2006/06/17/caledonia.html


B.C. woman accused in Caledonia violence arrested
Last Updated Sat, 17 Jun 2006 15:33:20 EDT
CBC News
Six Nations police have arrested one of seven people wanted on warrants after a series of clashes at an aboriginal land-claims standoff in Caledonia, Ont.

Audra Ann Taillefer, 45, of Victoria was taken into custody Friday on charges of intimidation and robbery after an elderly couple's vehicle was swarmed in the town south of Hamilton on June 9.

The elderly man, who was visiting from Simcoe, Ont., was taken to a nearby hospital after the incident as a precaution because he suffers from a heart condition, police said.

The B.C. woman will appear in a Cayuga, Ont., court at an unspecified date.


Ok.  There's one of them.  Now, what about the SOBs that took over the Border Patrol car and ran the OPP officer down.  Wow and it only took them how long to arrest 1 45 year old woman?  Kudo's.  :

 

[zipperhead_cop]

Six Nations is just trying to provide the illusion that they are complying with the law.  If you could prove that they know where the ones with the warrants are, and were refusing to arrest them, they would be in a Breach of Trust situation, since warrants REQUIRE arrests to be made. 
Don't be too surprised if it comes out in trial that they "forgot" to read her rights to counsel and therefore the charged gets tossed on a Charter application.

 

[17thRecceSgt]

And they actually think that people are buying all this crap?

There apparantly is a large amount of happy grass out there...and people are using it. :

 

[zipperhead_cop]

It doesn't matter what people think or if it is accepted.  If there was a concern for what people think this cluster wouldn't have happened in the first place. 
Proven Canadian tactics:  non-compliance, violate law to the point of imminent action, make perfunctory gesture of compliance, waste time until media stops showing issue in unfavorable light, continue to demand concessions behind the scenes, resume non-compliance. 
The only happy grass being smoked is by you know who.........

 

[Hot Lips]

It doesn't matter what people think or if it is accepted.  If there was a concern for what people think this cluster wouldn't have happened in the first place. 
Proven Canadian tactics:  non-compliance, violate law to the point of imminent action, make perfunctory gesture of compliance, waste time until media stops showing issue in unfavorable light, continue to demand concessions behind the scenes, resume non-compliance. 
The only happy grass being smoked is by you know who.........

Who?  :

Well there is certainly some underlying psychology in what you say...can't imagine any of it was well thought out though...

HL

 

[a_majoor]

Moving away from the subject of Caledonia for a moment, here is a case where "equality" results in a hilarious, if unintended outcome:

http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/archives/004151.html

"Please Review Racial Purity Requirements Before Filing Your Complaint"

Well, I guess the next time someone spots a "Thanks for the truck, whitey" bumpersticker around town, they'll know who to complain to;

    Trevor Baragar says he felt compelled to phone the police and the Saskatchewan Human Rights Commission after seeing someone display a sticker that reads, "Caution: I stop for all pedestrians, including natives".


Here though, is the really funny part;

    He made a formal complaint to the Saskatchewan Human Rights Commission on Monday. He was told on Tuesday there was nothing it could do because he is non-aboriginal.


(Don't help the resident lefties with this one. Let them try to figure it out themselves.) Posted by Kate at June 18, 2006 01:25 AM

 

[paracowboy]

Moving away from the subject of Caledonia for a moment, here is a case where "equality" results in a hilarious, if unintended outcome:

more evidence to support my theory that most "leftist" types are closet bigots, who try to disguise their racism under a veneer of White Man's Burden "equality". Their hypocritical condescension sickens me.

 

[vonGarvin]

+1, para. +1.

 

[zipperhead_cop]

Thanks for that link a_majoor.  One of the posters there had a great sum up of the effects of this socialist pandering to special groups.  There doesn't appear to be a way to view the poster's handle, so I will simply indicate that these comments were not created by me (but I wish they had been)

"But I know what I and many others here are trying to say: Let's treat minorities of any kind with the dignity of expecting them to live up to high standards. That's what I do with my challenged students, who often rise to the occasion. (THAT'S exciting!) Letting them off the hook is the worst kind of discrimination. It produces "toddlers", not responsible citizens.

In Canada, we now have a critical mass of "adult toddlers"--not just certain minorities who exploit the system, but the bureaucratic idiots (THEY'RE EVERWHERE!) who allow--heck, INVITE--them to, at the expense of the rest of us. (This is NOT a victimless gambit.)

Unless standards in all kinds of systems are set fairly for everyone and our courts apply the rule of law in a culture- and colour-blind way, we're on the way to Armageddon. That's what you get when irresposibility and barbarism are rewarded, as they now are in Canada, far too often."

I do believe that I will be using the phrase "adult toddlers" in my everyday vocabulary. 

 

[Pea]

uuhhh, that would be me. Mommy is a squaw. Or at least, mostly. Daddy has some tepee-creepin' in his background. Makes me about 1/4 - 2/3 Indian. Card-carrying Metis, and fiercely proud of it. My family fought on both sides of the Riel Rebellion.

I came into this thread really late, so forgive me for backtracking so far. I am in pretty much the same boat... or uhh, tepee as Para on this one. Proud to have my Metis card as well thank you.

uuhhh, by immigrating here, they become Canadians. You don't mean to imply that only those born here are Canadians, do you? Or, is it a matter of generations born here that makes you Canadian? If that's the case, I want all you White folk gone. I got prior claim!
(Well, you can leave the women.)

:rofl: Wow, someone who seems to have the same humorous outlook on this. Thank you Para.

more evidence to support my theory that most "leftist" types are closet bigots, who try to disguise their racism under a veneer of White Man's Burden "equality". Their hypocritical condescension sickens me.

+100. This is the crap that gets to me, over and over.

I know my comments added nothing to this discussion, but I had to comment.

 

[Hot Lips]

Love it...adult toddlers...lmao

Will slide that in somewhere in the near future.

HL

 

[paracowboy]

seriously, as a metis kid, I've never ran into nearly as much racism amongst Right-wing types, as I do from the staunch defenders of keeping me in my place, the Left.

Right wing types don't seem to judge me, or my family, by any other criteria than our proven abilities. Leftists seem intent on excusing me for some perceived flaw, some lack of intellect or ability, saying that I need their assistance to function in society. "Poor little brown kid. Don't worry, we'll make sure you get everything you deserve. Don't try to earn it, you'll just get confused."

"Don't worry, my noble savage, you don't have to be as good/smart/determined as the white oppressors are, we'll make special rules to compensate for your inherited weakness."

It enfuriates me so, when I think of the times I've heard that message, with it's smarmy undertones of bigotry. I don't need a hand up, a hand out, or a hand at all. Just get out of my fucking way! I can do whatever I want on my own! MYSELF. My race (s) have no bearing on my abilities.

ok, I'm gonna leave this thread for awhile. I'm not contributing anything but bile.

 

[17thRecceSgt]

Just let...people be people, and drop the labels and rest of the crap.

Sounds pretty easy to me.

 

[vonGarvin]

Just let...people be people, and drop the labels and rest of the crap.

Sounds pretty easy to me.

Now that's just wrong.  Way wrong....er...oh, wait.  Sorry, that was bang on. 

Please, carry on

 

[Hot Lips]

Can't we all get along...

HL

 

[Pea]

Mud Man, if only it were that easy.

I am going to agree with Para on this one. I am part of a Metis family, and I grew up in Northern Alberta. We are surrounded by reserves up there, of various statuses. When I was applying to College/Uni the career counsellor advised that I better make sure to put Metis on all my applications so that I would have a better way of getting into school. She told me that "not many Metis kids actually go to College anyways, so I was a shoe in". I think this is one of the most offensive things I have ever heard. I applied to school, as a "regular joe" and I got in just fine. I got in because I had the grades, and academic courses, not because someone feels the need to "help me along". I don't need help from anyone to accomplish anything. I rely on myself as a person with goals and morals, and a strong family upbringing. That's all that matters to me.

I am sick of being offered hand outs, or it being expected that I need them. My family does just fine with my Mom working full time like every other "regular joe" family does. My siblings and I are raised to work hard for everything we want, and to never expect anything we didn't rightfully earn. However, we are damn proud to be Metis. My Mom grew up on a Metis reserve, so she has lived through the crap people say and do because one is of Native decent and supposedly "needs everything given to them".

When my Dad passed away, leaving my Mom with 4 children under the age of 13, we could have moved to said Metis reserve and gotten free housing. Well that would have made my Mom's life a million times easier. But, she chose to work 3 jobs and support us that way and continue paying for everything like she felt was right. Sure we struggled, but everything we have now we deserve. So for anyone to even hint at the fact that I NEED a handout, or am any less capable of excelling as others because of my hint of brown skin, or the card I carry, is absolutely disrespectful, and arrogant.

 

[17thRecceSgt]

Seriously, get rid of all the "special groups" (not the hockey helmet ones in the showers...) and every is a on equal footing...takers?

 

[camochick]

Yeah cause getting rid of the "special groups" will solve everything. The government has made a mess of native issues for years. Perhaps coming up with an actual plan to help solve the problem would work better. It's easy to say things like that when you're on the outside looking in.

 

[17thRecceSgt]

Hey, it could be a start.  I am not pretending to have any insight into the nuts and bolts of Native issues, cause well, I don't.

But, what could be wrong with making every single person (less criminals, and the like) equal?   

Human-freaking-beings.  I just think, IMHO, there are too many labels, groups, special this and special that. 

To me, there are 2 special types of people that stand out.  Elderly (they build this country, after all) and veterans.

Everyone is is/should be on the same playing fields...