The David Ahenakew Thread- Merged

[zipperhead_cop]

A concealed carry law in Ontario would probably go a long ways to helping people restrain themselves.

Yeah, good call.  Bring more guns to the equation and arm more people who are pissed off.  We should probably supply free alcohol to anyone who lives in the area too.  :
Boy, some people are just burnin' to see an O-dot get hurt around here, aren't they.  Must be all the buns they give out on the highway. 

 

[Lumber]

A concealed carry law in Ontario would probably go a long ways to helping people restrain themselves.

By 'concealed carry law' do you mean make it legal to cary concealed weapons? If so, this is no a swift critisism as zipperhead (not saying you arn't correct zip) but could you explain your ratinoal as to how this would help the situation Brad?

 

[17thRecceSgt]

IF they anen't going to surrender them, then someone should go effin get them.  Pussies.  (politician's and the head of the OPP)

 

[Hot Lips]

We'll see. 

In the mean time, things might be starting to get interesting.  I won't publish the whole article, but a few selected tid bits...

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/12062006/2/national-ontario-s-premier-calls-talks-caledonia-violent-skirmishes.html

Ontario's premier calls off talks in Caledonia over violent skirmishes
Members of the Six Nations Confederacy - the traditional leadership, rather than the elected council - said they have no plans to surrender the wanted men to police.
Confederacy Chief Allen McNaughton told the Hamilton Spectator any attempt to seize the suspects could spark trouble. "I don't think so," McNaughton said when asked if the suspects might be handed over.

McGuinty said negotiations would resume only when the barricades at the disputed site in Caledonia, Ont., come down, and if aboriginals co-operate with the police investigation into the incidents from the weekend.
"We have just about exhausted our goodwill and our patience," McGuinty said.
Asked what he'll do if the barricades don't soon come down, McGuinty simply answered: "We'll see."

OOOO!! Who is going to blink first?  Elderly folk being tossed around makes for some pretty dismal footage come election time.  But you can bet this is going to be a gun fight if it keeps on the way it is and the barricades are forced down. 
The important thing is that they won't be meeting until Thursday, so there will be plenty of time to mass weapons, ammo and willing terrorists if it looks like the native free-for-all is going to be shut down. 
Y'all watch out for brooms now!  :

This whole thing IMO is a mockery at our judicial system and has gotten way out of control...
People are getting hurt...isn't that enough for someone (gov't officials) to step in and put an end to all of it...
Quite frankly I think the natives, in this situation, have given up their rights to anything with their unlawful behavior.
IMO when you start beating on the elderly you need your N*** kicked in  :rage:
HL

 

[rifleman]

Big question: Are natives actually citizens of Canada?

 

[Lumber]

Big question: Are natives actually citizens of Canada?

Some would say no, that they are the original owners and tenders of this land. But that wouldn't stop them from demanding access to OUR free health care. Then again we do tax them? But most of them would say yes they are canadian citizens, especially the métis.
As to if they are 'technically' and 'officialy' 100% canadian citizens, I can't see why not, but can't say for sure.
Anyone else?

 

[Gunnar]

Pussies.  (politician's and the head of the OPP)

Like the armed forces, the police exist to carry out the will of the government.  The provincial government, being Liberals, believes that everything can be negotiated if you only love people enough.  They have executive control over the OPP, who I am sure are actively being prevented from being effective by our elected officials.  The federal government is not going to step in until invited to do so by the provincial government.  The terrorists who were recently arrested were arrested under joint federal/provincial auspices.

To paraphrase, the maintenance of law and order is the continuation of public policy by physical means.  If public policy is a big group hug, then that's what your law and order arm will be ordered to do.  I can't see the cops being too happy about not being allowed to wear riot gear at a mess like this, nor not being allowed to break heads where they need breaking....

The pussies, if you will, are the Lieberal government, the same Lieberal government that once elected broke ALL of their election promises in the first two weeks.  All of them.  I mean, c'mon...can you possibly show more contempt for the people who elected you?  In any case, because the Lieberals believe everything can be forgiven, and everything can be negotiated if only you show people you love them enough, expect the police to sit on their hands even longer, before the natives are given a big fat untaxable cheque to quietly disperse.  It's friggin Danegeld, and Dalton the Unready is gonna end up handing it out because he's a useless turd.

An opinion piece, without a fact except consequences of Liberal philosophy to back it up.  For what it's worth.

 

[Shec]

Some would say no, that they are the original owners and tenders of this land. But that wouldn't stop them from demanding access to OUR free health care. Then again we do tax them? But most of them would say yes they are canadian citizens, especially the métis.
As to if they are 'technically' and 'officialy' 100% canadian citizens, I can't see why not, but can't say for sure.
Anyone else?

The whole matter of citizenship is something that in and of itself is a subject of debate.  It goes back to the treaties which according to the Europeans made them subjects of the Crown.  And this in turn would have evolved into Canadian citizenship. 

The First Nations claim that the treaties were peace and friendship treaties between nations.  To make it more interesting each of the treaties are in effect "for as long as the rivers shall run and the grass shall grow". 

 

[George Wallace]

To make it more interesting each of the treaties are in effect "for as long as the rivers shall run and the grass shall grow". 

So!  We dam the rivers and generate Hydro Electricity.  We spray the grass with Weed Out or Total and kill it; or better yet, build a parking lot.  Now the Treaty is Null and Void.   ;D

 

[TMM]

I know natives with CAD passports so I would say yes they are citizens.

 

[zipperhead_cop]

It's friggin Danegeld, and Dalton the Unready is gonna end up handing it out because he's a useless turd.

An opinion piece, without a fact except consequences of Liberal philosophy to back it up.  For what it's worth.

Quite an accurate opinion piece, and a well written one, too. 
Dolton has drawn his grey dotted line lightly in the sand for Thursday.  Let's see how he caves, or magically grows a set by then.

 

[Cloud Cover]

Quite an accurate opinion piece, and a well written one, too. 
Dolton has drawn his grey dotted line lightly in the sand for Thursday.  Let's see how he caves, or magically grows a set by then.

He'll be too busy Thursday enlightening the little blonde lawyer over at Ogilvie Renault ... trust me on this.

 

[George Wallace]

He'll be too busy Thursday enlightening the little blonde lawyer over at Ogilvie Renault ... trust me on this.

Isn't he a married man?

 

[Cloud Cover]

Finding himself, apparently.

 

[zipperhead_cop]

He'll be too busy Thursday enlightening the little blonde lawyer over at Ogilvie Renault ... trust me on this.

Hmmm!!!  Conspiracy theory time.  Little blonde is planted by natives to compromise the PPM.  They have pics/vid of him in room previously wired with camera's.  Hence the waffling.  Unless the little blonde is Belinda.  Then it is just being an orifice to Lieberal issue.

 

[George Wallace]

This isn't going to be one of those Honour and Offer type of nights.......is it?  We'll never hear the end of it.

 

[zipperhead_cop]

This isn't going to be one of those Honour and Offer type of nights.......is it?  We'll never hear the end of it.

Hard to say.  There does seem to be a little bit of something extra in the broadband tonight.  >

 

[Bobbyoreo]

"Big question: Are natives actually citizens of Canada?"


If its worth something to them they are....if we say no..then they are not!! Seems to be the way I've seen it.

 

[Cdn Blackshirt]

More evidence of media "managing" information in our best interests.

See the attached link.  http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20060613.wcalside0613/BNStory/National/home

It looks like the Globe & Mail had it live for a grand total of about 4 hours and now if you go to their front page, you can't even find the article.


Matthew. 

Caledonia residents terrorized
Canadian Press

Caledonia, Ont. — Angry residents living near the Douglas Creek Estates housing development occupied by aboriginal protesters say they'll protect their homes and families if the police won't.

Residents say the protesters are using tactics of aggression and intimidation along their backyards to bait Ontario Provincial Police into action, and so far the police response has been ineffectual.

A “resident response plan” has been circulated in the neighbourhood urging fearful homeowners to sound car alarms or horns “in the event a home or resident comes under attack.”

Residents would then gather and confront the protesters to force them back onto the territory they have claimed.

Homeowners in the neighbourhood told an information meeting of the Caledonia Citizens Alliance on Tuesday they are “terrified” by gunshots in the ravine behind their homes, masked men roaring through the ravine on ATVs, and attempts to burn wooden fences between their homes and the disputed land.

Others told of a cache of gasoline-filled bottles commonly referred to as Molotov cocktails stashed near their homes.

“We're hurting over there,” said resident Kevin Clark. “We need help. It is terror there, not just anger.”

The plan calls for residents to “repel the aggression by creation of a large presence and advance together as one unit peacefully, if possible, until the offending persons remove themselves from the property and back into their own area.”

David Hartless, author of the plan, said the intention is not to create vigilantes.

Residents would not pursue protesters past the “borderline” (yellow police tape), he said.

“This is only a defensive act,” Mr. Hartless said in the letter. “The OPP response has been largely ineffectual and it is now apparent that in order to protect ourselves, our families and our homes, we must do so collectively and present a united front.”

Protesters moved into the subdivision on Feb. 28, claiming the land had been stolen from them.

 

[aluc]

Looks like it's turned into the wild wild west over there. Every man for himself, vigilante justice. This could escalate into something interesting indeed! What a joke....