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The David Ahenakew Thread- Merged

Wow.

This has definitely gone far too far. The longer the natives act like this the less support they end up with.

Somoene in authority needs to grow a pair and get this settled before people on both sides get killed.
 
rifleman said:
Big question: Are natives actually citizens of Canada?

If they receive money for homes, education, etc etc I hope they are.
 
"If they receive money for homes, education, etc etc I hope they are."


Canada builds and buys homes for lots of people coming into the country and they are not Canadians!!
 
Bobbyoreo said:
Canada builds and buys homes for lots of people coming into the country and they are not Canadians!!

If this question takes it too far OT then take it to PMs, but just where are these homes being built?
 
Bobbyoreo said:
Canada builds and buys homes for lots of people coming into the country and they are not Canadians!!
uuhhh, by immigrating here, they become Canadians. You don't mean to imply that only those born here are Canadians, do you? Or, is it a matter of generations born here that makes you Canadian? If that's the case, I want all you White folk gone. I got prior claim!
(Well, you can leave the women.)
 
LOL...the woman come too.

Yea i guess your right about them being Canadian. I just know Canada brought doctors from some countries and built them houses and or gave them already built house in the Wpg area for free. I saw it first hand and they people moving in didnt even speak much english....kind of scary..going to be doctors out here..and not speaking english...but thats for another subject!!!
 
I dont know what else you want. Im only tell you what I have seen. I cant give you a ref as It's something I've seen first hand. maybe contact the feds and ask them. Anyways this has gone far off topic. Ill try and find out some info for you and if you have any questions just send me a message.
 
>By 'concealed carry law' do you mean make it legal to cary concealed weapons?

For people without criminal records or histories of violence.

>but could you explain your ratinoal as to how this would help the situation Brad?

I don't care whether it helps a particular situation, but people are less bellicose when they know actions can have real consequences.  Shit-disturbers find other things to do when they know the likelihood approaches certainty that they'll either do serious jail time or suffer a beating at the hands of the people they torment.  Have you noticed, for example, that several people will often mouth off at a few, but a few or one are less prone to mouth off back?  If the legitimate security forces of the state can't or won't - I don't care whether by order or by choice - discharge their responsibilities, then they've unilaterally broken the social contract and the right to secure one's interests reverts to the people.

The solution is to sort out the frigging situation by pretending everyone involved is a mild-mannered anglo-saxon male 45-year old accountant with children and a nice home in the suburbs.  Do you think an easy piece of meat like that would be treated with kid gloves?  Neither should anyone else.

 
Bobby,
frankly I don't care how well he speaks English, as long as he speaks his own former Official language well enough that he understood his Medical Training perfectly. We can work out his instructions to me later, as long as he knows how to roll the right pills, and cut the right places, it's all good.
 
"Bobby,
frankly I don't care how well he speaks English, as long as he speaks his own former Official language well enough that he understood his Medical Training perfectly. We can work out his instructions to me later, as long as he knows how to roll the right pills, and cut the right places, it's all good."


Thats scares me. I want to understand what they say.
 
Any updates on the Caledonia situation?  Cone of silence here in the Maritimes on it...

On the doctors issue...I hope he can understand what I say...how the hell else will he know what is wrong with me?  Guess I better dust off my Etch-A-Sketch and practice up my picture-drawing stuff again...
 
Here ya go:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20060613.wcaled0613/BNStory/National/

Ontario wants aboriginal assistance in arrests KEITH LESLIE

Canadian Press

Toronto — The removal of a highway barricade was heralded Tuesday as a positive step in resolving an aboriginal land standoff, but Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty warned that negotiations will not resume until First Nations leaders help apprehend several aboriginals facing criminal charges.

Protesters worked overnight to remove a barricade of tires and tangled metal that blocked a highway bypass in this southern Ontario community, less than 24 hours after Mr. McGuinty suspended talks with Six Nations leaders because of recent violence.

“In order to keep talks moving, the chiefs and clan mothers gave directions to have them opened,” said Six Nations spokeswoman Janie Jamieson, who characterized the move as a show of good faith.

Another barrier remained, however, at the Douglas Creek Estates housing development, the site of the disputed land.

And Ms. Jamieson was adamant that Six Nations leaders would not hand over any suspects to provincial police.

“We're dealing with that internally right now, according to our own law, our constitution,” she said of the six aboriginals facing criminal charges following clashes with television cameramen, police and non-aboriginal residents last weekend.

Ms. Jamieson said protesters have been told that the OPP and Six Nations Police would work together to make the arrests.

If that happens, it happens. Right now, they're not going to be turned over to the OPP.”

The Six Nations has its legal tradition that they contend governs their actions and legal processes.

David Ramsay, minister responsible for aboriginal affairs, said Tuesday that the Six Nations' “grand law” is similar to English common law.

“But what we're saying to them is that the Criminal Code of Canada is supreme in this country. It applies to all people and in all places.”

At the provincial legislature, Mr. McGuinty acknowledged the “good influence” of First Nations leaders to get the barricade removed but said he still is not prepared to resume negotiations.

“Well, we're halfway there, subject to confirmation that the barricades are in fact down and that those roads and railway are both passable,” Mr. McGuinty said before a caucus meeting.

“Beyond that, we'll be looking for co-operation with respect to apprehension of the individuals involved in last Friday's activities.”

The Six Nations protesters began their occupation of the housing development on Feb. 28, contending that the land was stolen from them more than 200 years ago.

On Monday, negotiations were halted after Mr. McGuinty said the swarming of an elderly couple's car and an assault on two news cameramen last week made it impossible to work together.

Police issued warrants for six aboriginal people on a range of charges, including the attempted murder of a police officer, forcible confinement and robbery.


Just more games.  The native criminals know that they screwed the pooch with public support when they jumped those people, and are taking down the barricades for now .  Rest assured they will put them back up at the slightest provication.  In the mean time, they can have fun screwing with the ones they know how to screw with the best:  Aunt Gwen and Dolton McGuinty.  As long as they provide even the thinnest illusion of progress or cooperation, those clowns will have outstanding warrants for them indefinately. 
 
"The Six Nations has its legal tradition that they contend governs their actions and legal processes."

Fair enough to me when something occurs within the reserve. However, once it happens outside...
 
TMM said:
"The Six Nations has its legal tradition that they contend governs their actions and legal processes."

Fair enough to me when something occurs within the reserve. However, once it happens outside...

Yeah, until a girl gets raped by her father, and the solution is to have a counsel meeting and have a stern talking to the dad.  Then send the girl home with him.  And it has been terribly convenient for native organized crime to have these "legal traditions" in place. 
And yes, if some PC individual needs me to pony up case law or examples, I will endeavor to do so.  But not tonight. 
Regardless, they have abused their self governance time and again, and no longer deserve the autonomy they have enjoyed to this point.  IMO, especially after this incident, they need to prove that they can operate within the laws of this country and co-exist, not contra-exist.
 
zipperhead_cop said:
Yeah, until a girl gets raped by her father, and the solution is to have a counsel meeting and have a stern talking to the dad.  Then send the girl home with him.  And it has been terribly convenient for native organized crime to have these "legal traditions" in place. 
And yes, if some PC individual needs me to pony up case law or examples, I will endeavor to do so.  But not tonight. 
Regardless, they have abused their self governance time and again, and no longer deserve the autonomy they have enjoyed to this point.  IMO, especially after this incident, they need to prove that they can operate within the laws of this country and co-exist, not contra-exist.
I agree Zipperhead_cop...they have proven beyond a doubt in my mind that they are indeed unable to conduct themselves or govern themselves in an effective or appropriate manner.
They have overstepped their boundaries beyond an acceptable distance this time, IMO...and I am sick and tired of others in this country using whatever means to get away with acts of violence and violating others rights.

HL
 
This will shed some light onto Aunt Gwen:

OPP flays feather symbol

Top-rank OPP officer condemns Ipperwash trinkets.
By PATRICK MALONEY, FREE PRESS REPORTER


FOREST -- When OPP Commissioner Gwen Boniface looks at the single feather depicted on "mementoes" made by officers since the 1995 Ipperwash standoff, she sees a highly charged reference to Dudley George.
The family of the slain native protester, killed by an OPP sniper in the standoff, sees the mugs and T-shirts -- some of which depict an OPP patch looming over a fallen feather -- the exact same way.
"She was pretty well right on when she talked about the feather," Dudley's brother, Sam George, said after Boniface yesterday expressed to the Ipperwash inquiry her displeasure with the images.
"(It) represents to us a fallen warrior."
Boniface's testimony yesterday -- she said the feather "signalled to me defeat, or (Dudley George's) death" -- was a watershed moment for the George clan, which accepted her remarks as honest and sincere.
She's the first high-ranking officer to criticize the so-called mementoes, Sam George said.
"What Commissioner Boniface was saying up there was sincere and it was coming from the heart," he said. "This is the first time we've heard that from any OPP officers that high in the organization."
The latest such item cropped up in May -- a T-shirt featuring the OPP's emergency response team logo breaking an arrow, another native symbol.
"I find it highly inappropriate," Boniface said. "It reflects the me-against-them (attitude). Again, the broken arrow I find offensive. I just find it was difficult."
Boniface had plenty of experience handling native issues earlier in her career: In 1994 she was in charge of Ontario's First Nations policing and later taught First Nations issues at the University of Western Ontario.
She said she played "no role" in the Ipperwash standoff in September 1995.
Over the past decade, however, the OPP has taken strides to improve what she termed "native awareness," including making native-issues training for new recruits mandatory and hiring more aboriginal officers.
In 1995, the OPP had fewer than 50 aboriginal officers. Now, of the 5,000 OPP members, about 130 are native.
"Mementoes of the death of somebody are, I think, highly inappropriate," Boniface said. "It's highly inappropriate to do any memento . . . at all,"
Boniface's testimony is expected to wrap up today.


She must have attended the Romeo Dalliare School of Forget From Where You Came From.  No doubt eyeballing a patronage appointment of some sort. 
So you can see, in the face of such disloyalty, and blatant disregard for the actual facts out of Ipperwash, the lads in Caledonia have no chance of doing anything effective.  I wish they would just walk away and make it a federal problem, but because they are providing professionalism in the face of administrative abuse, they won't.
 
Hot Lips said:
I agree Zipperhead_cop...they have proven beyond a doubt in my mind that they are indeed unable to conduct themselves or govern themselves in an effective or appropriate manner.
They have overstepped their boundaries beyond an acceptable distance this time, IMO...and I am sick and tired of others in this country using whatever means to get away with acts of violence and violating others rights.

Have to agree, this has gone beyond the pale and needs to be corrected. 

Would like to point out though, that not all Aboriginal communities act this way or govern themselves in such an irresponsible manner. 
 
Centurian1985 said:
Have to agree, this has gone beyond the pale and needs to be corrected. 

Would like to point out though, that not all Aboriginal communities act this way or govern themselves in such an irresponsible manner. 

Thats actually is a very good point.  However, these folks are the one the spotlight is on.  Must peeve off the ones that are being drug into this unwillingly...
 
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